10/16 | G1: Oklahoma City Thunder at Golden State Warriors - 9:30 CST

[Old Man Game]

And I think we can officially say Ferg sucks. I also admit didn't get to watch much, but the dude is invisible

That's the biggest thing with him. Unless he can become a knock down shooter where he can become known for hitting open threes or something, he just doesn't have a knack for impacting the game offensively. It reminds me so much of PJ3 where you just totally forget he's on the floor for large swaths of his playing time.

[slick_watts]

It was much closer to 30 minutes. Twenty seven for Ferguson, nine for diallo. Diallo might not suck. I’m not sure why we have to hold his draft position against him.

i'm not attached to the idea that he sucks, or that ferguson sucks, they are both quite young. relative draft position is a fairly decent predictor for future success.

I have no doubt that's true relative to later picks, BUT, one should keep in mind that in the back half of the first round through the second round players are more likely than not to wash out altogether. So if we're betting the odds, go ahead and presume that Ferguson does in fact suck, and will continue to suck in perpetuity. More likely than not you'll be proven correct.

i don't get where we are even going with this. is one regular season game enough to say anything with certainty? no. that's my only gripe in this thread. no matter if it's a statement on ferguson or schroder or patterson. one game isn't enough.

as for draft position, i'm mostly concerned with elevating hamidou diallo specifically, a 2nd round rookie, over terrance ferguson in the rotation due to the optics and what this potentially does to ferguson's value for good. i'm not holding diallo's draft position against him. he should be in the rotation and have every opportunity to contribute. which is saying a lot for a player drafted where he was.

[Old Man Game]

i'm not attached to the idea that he sucks, or that ferguson sucks, they are both quite young. relative draft position is a fairly decent predictor for future success.

I have no doubt that's true relative to later picks, BUT, one should keep in mind that in the back half of the first round through the second round players are more likely than not to wash out altogether. So if we're betting the odds, go ahead and presume that Ferguson does in fact suck, and will continue to suck in perpetuity. More likely than not you'll be proven correct.

i don't get where we are even going with this. is one regular season game enough to say anything with certainty? no. that's my only gripe in this thread. no matter if it's a statement on ferguson or schroder or patterson. one game isn't enough.

as for draft position, i'm mostly concerned with elevating hamidou diallo specifically, a 2nd round rookie, over terrance ferguson in the rotation due to the optics and what this potentially does to ferguson's value for good. i'm not holding diallo's draft position against him. he should be in the rotation and have every opportunity to contribute. which is saying a lot for a player drafted where he was.

Where we're going is for the crew that's ready to give up on Ferg, they do a have a point. Probability of him being good was never great given his draft position and now he showed very little as a rookie, very little in summer league, very little in preseason. Eventually a player has to show something for people to continue to believe in him. That's all Diallo has done to this point. Just the little flashes to have led to optimism.

[bondom34]

Ferguson sucked overseas, sucked as a rookie, sucked in preseason, and sucked in game one. This is the reason Okafor keeps getting min contracts even though he sucks and why Elf Payton got a deal. He's not good, never was good.

[spearsy23]

In 100 minutes we got 26 points from Ferg/abrines/Grant/Patterson/diallo. It's going to be tough if that's the production we get from the lower end of the rotation.

Ferguson had a good game defensively, he continued to be invisible offensively. Interesting that he had a neutral +/-, of course it's inherently meaningless in a single game but it does point to him not being abused by a really good player in Klay.

Hamidou continues to impress, hopefully he squeezes Felton out when Russ is back and gets a few of Ferguson's minutes.

[spearsy23]

Ferguson sucked overseas, sucked as a rookie, sucked in preseason, and sucked in game one. This is the reason Okafor keeps getting min contracts even though he sucks and why Elf Payton got a deal. He's not good, never was good.

[spearsy23]

Where we're going is for the crew that's ready to give up on Ferg, they do a have a point. Probability of him being good was never great given his draft position and now he showed very little as a rookie, very little in summer league, very little in preseason. Eventually a player has to show something for people to continue to believe in him. That's all Diallo has done to this point. Just the little flashes to have led to optimism.

Ferguson had his own little flashes last year, but like hamidou the majority of his NBA minutes aren't going to be good because he's not good yet. That's not reason to give up on a guy that's 20.

[getrichordie]

some huge overreactions in this thread

Came here just for the overreactions, lol.

It’s 1 game. Everybody take a chill pill.


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[getrichordie]

you are not thinking rationally.

Sucked last year, sucked in preseason, sucked today. I'd say that's about rational.

Ferg sucks. He had 1 good game. Big deal, so did PJ3 that I can remember. He's an undersized project. Slick is just trolling at this point.

Ferguson may have looked invisible on offense, but if you watch the game, a positive to take away is that he actually did a decent job staying with and guarding Klay.


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[bondom34]

Ferguson sucked overseas, sucked as a rookie, sucked in preseason, and sucked in game one. This is the reason Okafor keeps getting min contracts even though he sucks and why Elf Payton got a deal. He's not good, never was good.

You know my thoughts on him from pre-draft. And saying his draft position is a good reason to keep playing him doesn't hold for me at all at this point.

[ThunderBolt]

some huge overreactions in this thread

Came here just for the overreactions, lol.

It’s 1 game. Everybody take a chill pill.


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There really aren’t any overreactions. We played like crap in the first half and we’re lucky to be close. Free throw shooting is still bad. Second half was much better.

[Old Man Game]

Where we're going is for the crew that's ready to give up on Ferg, they do a have a point. Probability of him being good was never great given his draft position and now he showed very little as a rookie, very little in summer league, very little in preseason. Eventually a player has to show something for people to continue to believe in him. That's all Diallo has done to this point. Just the little flashes to have led to optimism.

Ferguson had his own little flashes last year, but like hamidou the majority of his NBA minutes aren't going to be good because he's not good yet. That's not reason to give up on a guy that's 20.

100% correct. Ferg did give people some reason to be optimistic last year (notably that Laker's game). But you know how it is, fans are addicts. They need another hit fairly regularly or withdrawals will set in.

[spearsy23]

some huge overreactions in this thread

Came here just for the overreactions, lol.

It’s 1 game. Everybody take a chill pill.


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There really aren’t any overreactions. We played like crap in the first half and we’re lucky to be close. Free throw shooting is still bad. Second half was much better.

On the other side, Houston may have been a year too early. Depending on what boogie is when he comes back Golden State may not have anything outside of curry/Durant/Klay this year, but that's probably enough to beat everyone except possibly Boston.

[slick_watts]

Ferguson sucked overseas, sucked as a rookie, sucked in preseason, and sucked in game one. This is the reason Okafor keeps getting min contracts even though he sucks and why Elf Payton got a deal. He's not good, never was good.

You know my thoughts on him from pre-draft. And saying his draft position is a good reason to keep playing him doesn't hold for me at all at this point.

i seriously don't get how this is what you're taking away from my comments on this.

1 ) one game doesn't make anything 'official'. you'd agree with this in any other context.

2 ) his draft position is why it would tank his value if he were to be usurped in the rotation so soon by hamidou diallo. his draft position and age is also why he still has a wide development range. i wouldn't mind starting alex abrines. or tlc. or anyone else but diallo-- that would be a strong signal from the team that they do not believe in terrance ferguson. maybe you do or don't, or maybe the thunder do or don't. there's just no reason to rush and tank his value so completely because of a preseason mancrush.

i don't even like terrance ferguson. one game against the warriors didn't change my opinion one way or another though, and make anything 'official'. that's nuts.

[InTheSabonus]

Ferg sucks. Right now, he sucks.

He's a young player though. Improvement is not out of the question. But considering we only have about a three year window...Should we be waiting around to find out what Ferg could become? Or should we be going with what, in the present, is a better option? Just like we should have went with Huestis last season, we're ignoring the better options in the hopes that Ferg develops. I think we may be waiting a while though.

[getrichordie]

You know my thoughts on him from pre-draft. And saying his draft position is a good reason to keep playing him doesn't hold for me at all at this point.

i seriously don't get how this is what you're taking away from my comments on this.

1 ) one game doesn't make anything 'official'. you'd agree with this in any other context.

2 ) his draft position is why it would tank his value if he were to be usurped in the rotation so soon by hamidou diallo. his draft position and age is also why he still has a wide development range. i wouldn't mind starting alex abrines. or tlc. or anyone else but diallo-- that would be a strong signal from the team that they do not believe in terrance ferguson. maybe you do or don't, or maybe the thunder do or don't. there's just no reason to rush and tank his value so completely because of a preseason mancrush.

i don't even like terrance ferguson. one game against the warriors didn't change my opinion one way or another though, and make anything 'official'. that's nuts.

Yeah, I’m not going to draw any definitive conclusions from Ferguson being asked to guard Curry at times as well as Klay. I will say that in this one game, I thought Ferguson did his job on defense. Pretty good considering who he was guarding.


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[bondom34]

You know my thoughts on him from pre-draft. And saying his draft position is a good reason to keep playing him doesn't hold for me at all at this point.

i seriously don't get how this is what you're taking away from my comments on this.

1 ) one game doesn't make anything 'official'. you'd agree with this in any other context.

2 ) his draft position is why it would tank his value if he were to be usurped in the rotation so soon by hamidou diallo. his draft position and age is also why he still has a wide development range. i wouldn't mind starting alex abrines. or tlc. or anyone else but diallo-- that would be a strong signal from the team that they do not believe in terrance ferguson. maybe you do or don't, or maybe the thunder do or don't. there's just no reason to rush and tank his value so completely because of a preseason mancrush.

i don't even like terrance ferguson. one game against the warriors didn't change my opinion one way or another though, and make anything 'official'. that's nuts.

1. Yeah, I'd agree there, but it going along with everything I already thought is furthering my idea.

2. I'd rather them go for winning games instead of worrying about the trade value of a guy who I don't think becomes a good rotation player.

[slick_watts]

1. Yeah, I'd agree there, but it going along with everything I already thought is furthering my idea.

2. I'd rather them go for winning games instead of worrying about the trade value of a guy who I don't think becomes a good rotation player.

even i don't believe i'm so infallible that i'd give up on terrance ferguson so soon in this way. it's just such a waste, and would be backbreaking if he did end up a solid rotation piece for someone else.

[bondom34]

1. Yeah, I'd agree there, but it going along with everything I already thought is furthering my idea.

2. I'd rather them go for winning games instead of worrying about the trade value of a guy who I don't think becomes a good rotation player.

even i don't believe i'm so infallible that i'd give up on terrance ferguson so soon in this way. it's just such a waste, and would be backbreaking if he did end up a solid rotation piece for someone else.

I hated the pick the day it was made and each day I feel better about that assessment. I'd have rathered been wrong.

[spearsy23]

You know my thoughts on him from pre-draft. And saying his draft position is a good reason to keep playing him doesn't hold for me at all at this point.

i seriously don't get how this is what you're taking away from my comments on this.

1 ) one game doesn't make anything 'official'. you'd agree with this in any other context.

2 ) his draft position is why it would tank his value if he were to be usurped in the rotation so soon by hamidou diallo. his draft position and age is also why he still has a wide development range. i wouldn't mind starting alex abrines. or tlc. or anyone else but diallo-- that would be a strong signal from the team that they do not believe in terrance ferguson. maybe you do or don't, or maybe the thunder do or don't. there's just no reason to rush and tank his value so completely because of a preseason mancrush.

i don't even like terrance ferguson. one game against the warriors didn't change my opinion one way or another though, and make anything 'official'. that's nuts.

1. Yeah, I'd agree there, but it going along with everything I already thought is furthering my idea.

2. I'd rather them go for winning games instead of worrying about the trade value of a guy who I don't think becomes a good rotation player.

How many more games do you think they win with diallo playing over ferguson?