Killboard wrote:I dont know how to objectively measure hard work. Maybe is talk too loud, to the right reporters or TV networks.
Maybe is about have good metrics in RPM, BPM, WS. If it is the former, Jimmy works really hard and is unparalleled. If it is the latter... well maybe Towns work as hard as him. Or harder at the same age, hell... if you take into account how many assists Butler had to KAT in clutch time for the whole season he maybe cares about winning even more than Butler!
Just watching the games you can tell who is giving good effort and who isn't.
Killboard wrote:I dont really care for Butler. He already expressed his will and isnt commited on paper. In the other hand, the asset under control that is as good as Butler has expressed his will to stay here, signed on paper, and most probably sand bagging and alienated with his coach. I would be worried why.
I get it, but he's a high level assets that can't really be replaced with 2 good level assets if you have Championship aspirations. Very few teams have won Championships in the modern era without multiple elite level players.
Killboard wrote:Well, you have right about keeping talent. Thats the reason why you dont toy around with 22 YO All NBA player who recently signed for 5 seasons. Maybe we can draft better. Maybe we can develop young players. Good coaches and GM's find a way. Just like Utah after losing Hawyard and Hill last season.
I don't see it that way, I think there's a lot of luck in finding an early gem lower in the draft. Teams that are built on competing and winning can take chances on potential/bust candidates way easier because they can take their time on developing the players vs a bad team whose fan base desperately wants to add a good player quickly to the roster. Look at Butler and K.Leonard, both did very little their first 3 years in the league but worked on their skills and when ready were put in roles to succeed. In Minnesota, if the fanbase was told, you won't see the real Okogie till his 4th year the fans would be going after Thibs not developing his player fast enough. This is also why fans are so big on Wiggins and Towns where as if this had been a good team, fans might say, they' or one of them are not ready to be big contributors yet. It's just a different mindset based off desperation to find good players.
Mitchell is a special type of player, not just because of his athletic ability or skills, but his work ethic and his effort. The kid got hurt in the playoffs and still wanted to go out and compete and help his team. Not sure I've ever seen anything like that on Minnesota's bench except from Butler.
Killboard wrote:Well, moving Butler is something that needs to be done if he is going to bash his teamates. If he does care about winnning he is going to make them compromise and grow. If he dont he is going to alienate them going publicly about being the best dog in the alley and treating the others like rookies.
He bashed his 2 teammates' (weird, only 2 of them also, he's not really said anything about anyone else) because of their effort level, if you think he hadn't been saying that for a while without results behind closed doors before going to the media I don't know what to tell you (I'm pretty sure he's the type of person who would tell them to their face). I kinda believe that both have had it easier being the best players on a bad team and with that, not much pressure to be good or do the best they can. This is one of the things I hoped Thibs would bring to Minnesota, bringing in players with good effort levels, creating an environment about winning and then take some chances in the draft like he did last year with Patton (who without health levels had the ability to be really good for his size/athletic ability).
