Butler has requested a trade, the saga continues

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You are missing Thibodeu knew this since May.

First, don’t blindly accept everything Jimmy says as true.

But even if he asked in May, he was ten months too late.

The Wolves traded LaVine, Dunn, and #7 for #16, because they wanted Butler for the long haul. Jimmy did not like seeing Wiggins and Towns sign bigger contracts than his, but they were obviously coming when Jimmy joined us. If he was set on renegotiating his deal, he needed to say so before Thibs used the money on starters Teague and Taj. Complaining about it now, how “the Wolves could fix things but they probably won’t,” is because Jimmy waited too long to say he wanted.

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I don't think Glen's comments necessarily mean he wasn't willing to pay Jimmy. Making changes to the team could refer to shifting other salary like Dieng for example. However, whatever the reason is it doesn't excuse the way Jimmy went about this.

Exactly. Glen didn’t sign off on trading LaVine, Dunn and #7 for #16 without planning on spending money on Jimmy’s max deal.

Glen gets accused of being cheap way too often when fans are angry for other issues. Remember, he was one of the first owners to pay the lux tax. He has always been willing to pay when we have a competitive team. Heck, his generosity is the reason we have a max deal clause in the CBA, when he gave Garnett a then-record deal. He would certainly pay for an All-NBA player.

[mplsfonz23]

YOU EFFERS BETTER HURRY UP AND START A GAME THREAD, YOU ONLY HAVE SEVEN HOURS UNTIL GAME TIME!

YOU CAN'T START ONE WITHOUT ME. I AM BETTER THAN ALL YOU SORRY AS RUBES, BECAUSE YOUR DUMB AND UNEDUCATED!

I AM GOING TO LUNCH, THEN SIT DOWN WITH ESPN, WHEN I COME BACK I BETTER SEE AN EFFIN GAME DAY THREAD!

THAT'S HOW I DO IT JIMMY STYLE!

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I'm not sure why Phoenix hasn't at least made an offer. I'd do something like this:

Wolves get-
Tyson Chandler (expiring) or TJ Warren
Mikal Bridges or Josh Jackson
2019 Bucks pick, 2020 Suns pick (top 5 protected)

So you can either have an expiring contract/mentor in Tyson Chandler, or have Warren as a 20 points per game scorer. I don't think Warren/Wiggins is a very good combo since they both aren't very good three point shooters, but Warren is a good slasher, and would be effective with KAT in the post.
Bridges or Jackson. Really depends who the Wolves want and if the Suns are willing to give either one of them up. No way they agree to trade both of them for an expiring contract.
Two picks, I know the Bucks pick won't be very good, and the Suns 2020 pick may not be that good either depending if they retained Butler and what they did in free agency in 2019 too. To me, it seems like a better package than what Miami offered, but what do you guys think? Really don't have much else to offer, unless you want an expiring Troy Daniels.

Thanks for stopping by. I think Thibs (or probably Glen), would jump at a deal like that. You are right that it’s certainly better than the MIA offer.

I would be concerned if I was PHX though that Jimmy would squabble about defense with your young players. However, I think that fifth year means a lot for Jimmy, and he is likely to sign with whoever trades for him. It’s hard for most markets (MIN included) to bring in free agents of Jimmy’s caliber to their respective cities, so I could see Sarver pushing for Jimmy. This package may even be too rich.

[KGdaBom]

Robert Covington + Landry Shamet + 2019 FRP
OR Robert Covington + Dario Saric

Norman Powell + OG Anunoby

Keep an eye out on Shamet's performance, he's a rookie 6-5 athletic combo guard that can shoot

RoCo and Saric are both good still young and on good contracts. That has kind of been my dream deal. Philly got abused by Boston last night. They may be a bit more ready to deal.

Might be the best deal unless KBD does well and proves he's our future starting 4, otherwise RoCo, Shamet + 1st has more upside

IMO people get way to excited about Rookies and they are seldom any good. Saric IMO is so much better than Shamet and a pick that would be like 26th overall.

[Dewey]

I don't think Glen's comments necessarily mean he wasn't willing to pay Jimmy. Making changes to the team could refer to shifting other salary like Dieng for example. However, whatever the reason is it doesn't excuse the way Jimmy went about this.

Exactly. Glen didn’t sign off on trading LaVine, Dunn and #7 for #16 without planning on spending money on Jimmy’s max deal.

Glen gets accused of being cheap way too often when fans are angry for other issues. Remember, he was one of the first owners to pay the lux tax. He has always been willing to pay when we have a competitive team. Heck, his generosity is the reason we have a max deal clause in the CBA, when he gave Garnett a then-record deal. He would certainly pay for an All-NBA player.

Ya Jimmy and his agent worked to build their own narrative to try and make it seems the Wolves were messing things up. Right now it has back-fired for everyone involved, and I think teams see the situation as it really is ... and thats the Wolves are getting the shaft. The first line of thinking is to offer MN some low-ball packages, but now we shall see how they respond, because these teams are basically a quality player & FRP short of nabbing Butler and getting bird rights and they know it. Wolves are gonna sit on Butler until one of them gives ... if not, enjoy the winter JB

[Neeva]

Covington is so overated I saw a completely average player against Boston yesterday ,not that athletic so cieling isn’t all that high for him to make a big jump. philly can pay him.

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Covington is so overated I saw a completely average player against Boston yesterday ,not that athletic so cieling isn’t all that high for him to make a big jump. philly can pay him.

He plays defense and hits 3's. I don't think anyone sees him as future star.

[guest81]

I don't think Glen's comments necessarily mean he wasn't willing to pay Jimmy. Making changes to the team could refer to shifting other salary like Dieng for example. However, whatever the reason is it doesn't excuse the way Jimmy went about this.

Exactly. Glen didn’t sign off on trading LaVine, Dunn and #7 for #16 without planning on spending money on Jimmy’s max deal.

Glen gets accused of being cheap way too often when fans are angry for other issues. Remember, he was one of the first owners to pay the lux tax. He has always been willing to pay when we have a competitive team. Heck, his generosity is the reason we have a max deal clause in the CBA, when he gave Garnett a then-record deal. He would certainly pay for an All-NBA player.

Also decided to pay Joe Smith under the table, and didn't want to give Kevin Love the 5 year max and gave him a player option. Let's not go overboard here

edit: Also ended up selling multiple first round picks that ended up being really good players

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I don't think Glen's comments necessarily mean he wasn't willing to pay Jimmy. Making changes to the team could refer to shifting other salary like Dieng for example. However, whatever the reason is it doesn't excuse the way Jimmy went about this.

Exactly. Glen didn’t sign off on trading LaVine, Dunn and #7 for #16 without planning on spending money on Jimmy’s max deal.

Glen gets accused of being cheap way too often when fans are angry for other issues. Remember, he was one of the first owners to pay the lux tax. He has always been willing to pay when we have a competitive team. Heck, his generosity is the reason we have a max deal clause in the CBA, when he gave Garnett a then-record deal. He would certainly pay for an All-NBA player.

Also decided to pay Joe Smith under the table, and didn't want to give Kevin Love the 5 year max and gave him a player option. Let's not go overboard here

edit: Also ended up selling multiple first round picks that ended up being really good players

Oh? “Multiple first round picks, huh?” And what “really good players” were they?

Promising Joe Smith more money is the future doesn’t mean he’s cheap, and wouldn’t pay Jimmy more money in the future.

And CBA rules at the time prevented two players from getting 5 years - that doesn’t mean he’s cheap either, especially since he gave Love a max deal.

Ironic you used two diametrically opposed events, following rules and not following the rules, and came up with the wrong conclusion from both.

Glen Taylor makes mistakes, but people saying he’s cheap and therefore wouldn’t pay Jimmy a max deal - that’s nonsense.

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Glen gets accused of being cheap way too often when fans are angry for other issues. Remember, he was one of the first owners to pay the lux tax. He has always been willing to pay when we have a competitive team. Heck, his generosity is the reason we have a max deal clause in the CBA, when he gave Garnett a then-record deal. He would certainly pay for an All-NBA player.

And he just did -- KAT. Now the problem would be how far into the tax Glen wants to go and for how long. If he gave Jimmy his raise without shedding Dieng, Teague or Wiggs then next year's tax is all but guaranteed. Even still while losing Taj, Trolliver, Tyus, and rounding out the team with only vet mins. Maybe Tyus gets a responsible offer sheet and Glen matches while cutting Patton. Still not ideal. Which is why Glen said they'd have to "make changes" on the roster to keep Jimmy.

[mplsfonz23]

Glen Taylor makes mistakes, but people saying he’s cheap and therefore wouldn’t pay Jimmy a max deal - that’s nonsense.

Also, I think I read somewhere he said he would have to move some players around to make the money work.

One of the two or three are lying, possible all, when Taylor said he just found out about the trade request 3-4 weeks ago. Butler said 4 days after the season ended. Thibs has yet to confirm when he knew. Hard to trust anyone's word here.

[Klomp]

Apparently this will air during the local pregame show

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Damn everybody doing interviews now

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A couple things that surprised me a little in the Glen Taylor interview.

1. He was surprised by Jimmy’s request to be traded a month ago, since he talked to him about a contract after the season, and again after the surgery, and Jimmy didn’t say anything. It gets hard to know who to believe at this point, but if I’m billionaire Glen Taylor, am I going to lie? His credibility affects other business deals he does.

2. Interesting that he used the term, “push the deal over the line.” Using this same football analogy that was mentioned in rumors makes me think he’s heard the slams. It’s a good point though - until all the parts of a deal is worked out, a deal isn’t worked out.

3. Jimmy assured Taylor he is going to play hard, and Taylor will continue to look for a trade. I was also surprised he seemed so earnest about a good relationship with Thibs, and that any coach would want to keep Jimmy.

[LibertyPrime]

Apparently this will air during the local pregame show

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So....what I take away from this is that either Jimmy's camp lied about when the initial trade request took place, or that Thibs knew but didn't tell his employer about it, in which case you've got a very strong case for firing him, for putting Glen in a position of having to find a quick trade for a disgruntled superstar.

[Klomp]

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So....what take away from this is that either Jimmy's camp lied about when the initial trade request took place, or that Thibs knew but didn't tell his employer about it, in which case you've got a very strong case for firing him. But Glen is saying he didn't know until recently.

What I believe happened is Jimmy said something about maybe wanting out initially when he says he did earlier in the offseason, but Thibs didn't interpret the conversation as a trade request, so he didn't find it serious enough to report it to Taylor.

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Apparently this will air during the local pregame show

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So....what I take away from this is that either Jimmy's camp lied about when the initial trade request took place, or that Thibs knew but didn't tell his employer about it, in which case you've got a very strong case for firing him, for putting Glen in a position of having to find a quick trade for a disgruntled superstar.

I used to wonder about this too, but it sounds like Taylor talked directly to Butler after his hand surgery, and according to Taylor, Jimmy said nothing about wanting to be traded.

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I used to wonder about this too, but it sounds like Taylor talked directly to Butler after his hand surgery, and according to Taylor, Jimmy said nothing about wanting to be traded.

Also this.

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Covington is so overated I saw a completely average player against Boston yesterday ,not that athletic so cieling isn’t all that high for him to make a big jump. philly can pay him.

He plays defense and hits 3's. I don't think anyone sees him as future star.

Most sources I see rate Covington as about 50th best player in the NBA. Those guys don't grow on trees. He was a first team all nba defender IIRC. Plus as you say he stretches the floor making lots of threes. Last night was a bad game for almost everybody.