Fizdale Effect: Knicks With 5th Best Defense (even with Mario)!!!

[blueNorange]

Well said

And despite some of the grumbling and complaining this team is doing exactly what it should

It’s competing against better teams and it’s doing it with pretty solid play on both ends. Defending and moving the ball.

And we’re losing
Which is fine
Too 5 pick and major development is the goal. People need to remember.

agreed, however the following players shouldn't be developed because they're not going to be here next year

kanter
burke
i'll even throw in thj even though he's unmovable.

those guys shouldn't be playing 30 minutes, let alone the final 5. but they are, so exactly what is fiz developing?

final 5 minutes should have a lineup of knox, trier, frank, mitch, and whoever ... that's developing.

we don't know which of these players isn't part of our future. and regardless, they report to the team today. this is their workplace. all involved have to come to work and work together.

you just named 2 guys who very well could be here.

thj and kanter.

[E-Balla]

Which means we should be focused on starting out terrible because the way we start is the reason we end up picking 8th in the draft.

I've been saying from the offseason we aren't nearly as terrible without KP as thought but we have all the trappings of a bad team. Mainly that we keep games close and can't close them. Be ready for another 25-30 win season.

We will see about that. This team looked good, but all three games were in NY. Good teams are made on the road. If the Knicks play well today we might be in trouble.

Good point. Last year we were a different team on the road. Still without tanking on purpose I think we'll stay in games just by giving effort on D since no one is playing defense anymore.

[Fat Kat]

Well said

And despite some of the grumbling and complaining this team is doing exactly what it should

It’s competing against better teams and it’s doing it with pretty solid play on both ends. Defending and moving the ball.

And we’re losing
Which is fine
Too 5 pick and major development is the goal. People need to remember.

agreed, however the following players shouldn't be developed because they're not going to be here next year

kanter
burke
i'll even throw in thj even though he's unmovable.

those guys shouldn't be playing 30 minutes, let alone the final 5. but they are, so exactly what is fiz developing?

final 5 minutes should have a lineup of knox, trier, frank, mitch, and whoever ... that's developing.

we don't know which of these players isn't part of our future. and regardless, they report to the team today. this is their workplace. all involved have to come to work and work together.

you just named 2 guys who very well could be here.

Exactly. What happened to folks insisting that Trey wasn’t gonna start.

[El Poochio]

Lance Thomas for DPOY????

[2010]

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[mpharris36]

I've been saying from the offseason we aren't nearly as terrible without KP as thought but we have all the trappings of a bad team. Mainly that we keep games close and can't close them. Be ready for another 25-30 win season.

We will see about that. This team looked good, but all three games were in NY. Good teams are made on the road. If the Knicks play well today we might be in trouble.

Good point. Last year we were a different team on the road. Still without tanking on purpose I think we'll stay in games just by giving effort on D since no one is playing defense anymore.

also its early and teams are getting there barrings straight. We are playing off energy but the celtics were sleep walking on a back to back basically allowed us to stay in the game. I think as the season goes on the old "energy and effort" wont keep us as competitive. Especially if we keep up the rate of all our ISO's.

[mpharris36]

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While the Knicks continue to experiment with Frank in different positions, it seems that if they give him enough opportunities in the PnR and let him actually run an offense in the halfcourt, he would thrive.

from our man Paco!

[whocares1]

We will see about that. This team looked good, but all three games were in NY. Good teams are made on the road. If the Knicks play well today we might be in trouble.

Good point. Last year we were a different team on the road. Still without tanking on purpose I think we'll stay in games just by giving effort on D since no one is playing defense anymore.

also its early and teams are getting there barrings straight. We are playing off energy but the celtics were sleep walking on a back to back basically allowed us to stay in the game. I think as the season goes on the old "energy and effort" wont keep us as competitive. Especially if we keep up the rate of all our ISO's.

I thought the Celtics were actually trying to blow out the Knicks after losing a statement game to Toronto the night before. Knicks benefited from a couple of things against Boston. Obviously Hayward was out and Kyrie played terribly for the most part. Also we lost our worst defender in Knox for most of the game and that was replaced by better defenders like Lance and Dotson and even some spot minutes for Mitch. Still their effort shouldn’t be overlooked, the Knicks played great.

[whocares1]

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While the Knicks continue to experiment with Frank in different positions, it seems that if they give him enough opportunities in the PnR and let him actually run an offense in the halfcourt, he would thrive.

from our man Paco!

But they do let him..

[mpharris36]

Good point. Last year we were a different team on the road. Still without tanking on purpose I think we'll stay in games just by giving effort on D since no one is playing defense anymore.

also its early and teams are getting there barrings straight. We are playing off energy but the celtics were sleep walking on a back to back basically allowed us to stay in the game. I think as the season goes on the old "energy and effort" wont keep us as competitive. Especially if we keep up the rate of all our ISO's.

I thought the Celtics were actually trying to blow out the Knicks after losing a statement game to Toronto the night before. Knicks benefited from a couple of things against Boston. Obviously Hayward was out and Kyrie played terribly for the most part. Also we lost our worst defender in Knox for most of the game and that was replaced by better defenders like Lance and Dotson and even some spot minutes for Mitch. Still their effort shouldn’t be overlooked, the Knicks played great.

celtics looked slow a majority of that game. Yes they got off to a good start but they just looked tired and were out worked by us which is why the game was so close.

it just seems like a b2b with a longer flight from Toronto to NY after a long game they were a step slow. Stevens teams are usually more crisp. Hayward out was big too because he is probably there best facilitator. As we all know Kyrie is a scoring guard.

[mpharris36]

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While the Knicks continue to experiment with Frank in different positions, it seems that if they give him enough opportunities in the PnR and let him actually run an offense in the halfcourt, he would thrive.

from our man Paco!

But they do let him..

in the Nets game they did and he thrived...he didn't get many if any opportunties vs Bos which was bothersome since he was coming off a very effective 2nd half vs the Nets.

I think the point is, he can do it, he just needs to be given more opportunities. Even Fiz said he made it a point to get him the ball in the 2nd half and Frank came through. Why wouldn't he stress this every game?

[whocares1]

from our man Paco!

But they do let him..

in the Nets game they did and he thrived...he didn't get many if any opportunties vs Bos which was bothersome since he was coming off a very effective 2nd half vs the Nets.

I think the point is, he can do it, he just needs to be given more opportunities. Even Fiz said he made it a point to get him the ball in the 2nd half and Frank came through. Why wouldn't he stress this every game?

In that Boston game he struggled handling the ball. The Nets aren’t as intimidating as the Celtics. He struggled and he didn’t play well but that doesn’t mean Fiz told him to stop handling the ball. Frank is smart. He knows if he’s not contributing in one area he’ll try to do something else.

You’ll see if he has the passes working tonight you’ll scream “You see!” But Fiz already gave Frank the green light to do whatever he wants. If he wants to facilitate? Great. Does he want to play off the other guards? That’s fine too. Frank controls his own fate not Fiz.

[blueNorange]

agreed, however the following players shouldn't be developed because they're not going to be here next year

kanter
burke
i'll even throw in thj even though he's unmovable.

those guys shouldn't be playing 30 minutes, let alone the final 5. but they are, so exactly what is fiz developing?

final 5 minutes should have a lineup of knox, trier, frank, mitch, and whoever ... that's developing.

we don't know which of these players isn't part of our future. and regardless, they report to the team today. this is their workplace. all involved have to come to work and work together.

you just named 2 guys who very well could be here.

Exactly. What happened to folks insisting that Trey wasn’t gonna start.

he shouldn't be starting ...

frank should be starting at pg.

[FemaleDogPlease]

This whole position less basketball gimmick is gonna blow up in Fizdale's face. You can't have guys playing out of position and they aren't rebounding or playing defense. I told you guys all that stuff would only sound good in the off season. But you all drank the kool aid anyway.

Fiz is trying to put the best players on the floor. Knicks have a lot of holes right now.

[mpharris36]

But they do let him..

in the Nets game they did and he thrived...he didn't get many if any opportunties vs Bos which was bothersome since he was coming off a very effective 2nd half vs the Nets.

I think the point is, he can do it, he just needs to be given more opportunities. Even Fiz said he made it a point to get him the ball in the 2nd half and Frank came through. Why wouldn't he stress this every game?

In that Boston game he struggled handling the ball. The Nets aren’t as intimidating as the Celtics. He struggled and he didn’t play well but that doesn’t mean Fiz told him to stop handling the ball. Frank is smart. He knows if he’s not contributing in one area he’ll try to do something else.

You’ll see if he has the passes working tonight you’ll scream “You see!” But Fiz already gave Frank the green light to do whatever he wants. If he wants to facilitate? Great. Does he want to play off the other guards? That’s fine too. Frank controls his own fate not Fiz.

thats horrible coaching in my eyes. If Frank has a good matchup we should use it. Frank could have used his size vs Kyrie and probably got us some really good looks. Instead he was stuck on bigger better defenders in Brown/Smart/Tatum.

All you need to know is Franks usage ranks him 250th in the NBA...250th out of 300 qualifying players!!!...is that getting the ball in his hands enough?

To say that is solely on Frank and not on he coaching is blasphemous. If Fiz job is to sit there and say "show me" then he really isn't coaching. The best coaches put there players in a positions to succeed not let them freelance and go get theres. It creates a lot of uncertainty especially playing alongside two higher usage players like Burke/Timmy .

[fatalogic]

from our man Paco!

But they do let him..

in the Nets game they did and he thrived...he didn't get many if any opportunties vs Bos which was bothersome since he was coming off a very effective 2nd half vs the Nets.

I think the point is, he can do it, he just needs to be given more opportunities. Even Fiz said he made it a point to get him the ball in the 2nd half and Frank came through. Why wouldn't he stress this every game?

Small sample size, I think Frank was just off on both ends in Boston. It's something to keep an eye on over the course of the year.

[whocares1]

in the Nets game they did and he thrived...he didn't get many if any opportunties vs Bos which was bothersome since he was coming off a very effective 2nd half vs the Nets.

I think the point is, he can do it, he just needs to be given more opportunities. Even Fiz said he made it a point to get him the ball in the 2nd half and Frank came through. Why wouldn't he stress this every game?

In that Boston game he struggled handling the ball. The Nets aren’t as intimidating as the Celtics. He struggled and he didn’t play well but that doesn’t mean Fiz told him to stop handling the ball. Frank is smart. He knows if he’s not contributing in one area he’ll try to do something else.

You’ll see if he has the passes working tonight you’ll scream “You see!” But Fiz already gave Frank the green light to do whatever he wants. If he wants to facilitate? Great. Does he want to play off the other guards? That’s fine too. Frank controls his own fate not Fiz.

thats horrible coaching in my eyes. If Frank has a good matchup we should use it. Frank could have used his size vs Kyrie and probably got us some really good looks. Instead he was stuck on bigger better defenders in Brown/Smart/Tatum.

All you need to know is Franks usage ranks him 250th in the NBA...250th out of 300 qualifying players!!!...is that getting the ball in his hands enough?

To say that is solely on Frank and not on he coaching is blasphemous. If Fiz job is to sit there and say "show me" then he really isn't coaching. The best coaches put there players in a positions to succeed not let them freelance and go get theres. It creates a lot of uncertainty especially playing alongside two higher usage players like Burke/Timmy .

Tatum was apparently 1/5 against Frank as the primary defender. I like Frank’s versatility it allows him to guard the best player on each team regardless of position. You may call it horrible coaching and I’m sure Frank thinks otherwise. I’m sure they’re plenty of times that Frank doesn’t want to handle the ball and he makes it apparent by letting Baker take his reps as back up point guard. It’s not the coach’s job to force a player to do something he doesn’t want to do. Knicks offense wasn’t the issue either. Burke was pretty good actually.

Frank said he wanted to be more of a leader out there. No one is stopping him from doing that. Especially when the chuckers you blame are off the floor. Remember last year it was “Jack this and Jarret Jack that” now it’s Burke, who’s going to be next season or the season after that? Let Frank be who he wants to be.

[GONYK]

Well said

And despite some of the grumbling and complaining this team is doing exactly what it should

It’s competing against better teams and it’s doing it with pretty solid play on both ends. Defending and moving the ball.

And we’re losing
Which is fine
Too 5 pick and major development is the goal. People need to remember.

agreed, however the following players shouldn't be developed because they're not going to be here next year

kanter
burke
i'll even throw in thj even though he's unmovable.

those guys shouldn't be playing 30 minutes, let alone the final 5. but they are, so exactly what is fiz developing?

final 5 minutes should have a lineup of knox, trier, frank, mitch, and whoever ... that's developing.

we don't know which of these players isn't part of our future. and regardless, they report to the team today. this is their workplace. all involved have to come to work and work together.

you just named 2 guys who very well could be here.

Then something has gone terribly wrong in the offseason

[mpharris36]

In that Boston game he struggled handling the ball. The Nets aren’t as intimidating as the Celtics. He struggled and he didn’t play well but that doesn’t mean Fiz told him to stop handling the ball. Frank is smart. He knows if he’s not contributing in one area he’ll try to do something else.

You’ll see if he has the passes working tonight you’ll scream “You see!” But Fiz already gave Frank the green light to do whatever he wants. If he wants to facilitate? Great. Does he want to play off the other guards? That’s fine too. Frank controls his own fate not Fiz.

thats horrible coaching in my eyes. If Frank has a good matchup we should use it. Frank could have used his size vs Kyrie and probably got us some really good looks. Instead he was stuck on bigger better defenders in Brown/Smart/Tatum.

All you need to know is Franks usage ranks him 250th in the NBA...250th out of 300 qualifying players!!!...is that getting the ball in his hands enough?

To say that is solely on Frank and not on he coaching is blasphemous. If Fiz job is to sit there and say "show me" then he really isn't coaching. The best coaches put there players in a positions to succeed not let them freelance and go get theres. It creates a lot of uncertainty especially playing alongside two higher usage players like Burke/Timmy .

Tatum was apparently 1/5 against Frank as the primary defender. I like Frank’s versatility it allows him to guard the best player on each team regardless of position. You may call it horrible coaching and I’m sure Frank thinks otherwise. I’m sure they’re plenty of times that Frank doesn’t want to handle the ball and he makes it apparent by letting Baker take his reps as back up point guard. It’s not the coach’s job to force a player to do something he doesn’t want to do. Knicks offense wasn’t the issue either. Burke was pretty good actually.

Frank said he wanted to be more of a leader out there. No one is stopping him from doing that. Especially when the chuckers you blame are off the floor. Remember last year it was “Jack this and Jarret Jack that” now it’s Burke, who’s going to be next season or the season after that? Let Frank be who he wants to be.

did he not look the most comfortable running the P&R in those nets clips? He sure looked pretty confident and sure of himself. I think franks a very astute player and sometimes for his own good. I think he would thrive with more structure which was point out before. Its the same reason he doesn't show out in the summer league. Too much free lancing. When he is tasked as running the offense and is give then duty he looks his best and that is my point on the whole subject.

[whocares1]

thats horrible coaching in my eyes. If Frank has a good matchup we should use it. Frank could have used his size vs Kyrie and probably got us some really good looks. Instead he was stuck on bigger better defenders in Brown/Smart/Tatum.

All you need to know is Franks usage ranks him 250th in the NBA...250th out of 300 qualifying players!!!...is that getting the ball in his hands enough?

To say that is solely on Frank and not on he coaching is blasphemous. If Fiz job is to sit there and say "show me" then he really isn't coaching. The best coaches put there players in a positions to succeed not let them freelance and go get theres. It creates a lot of uncertainty especially playing alongside two higher usage players like Burke/Timmy .

Tatum was apparently 1/5 against Frank as the primary defender. I like Frank’s versatility it allows him to guard the best player on each team regardless of position. You may call it horrible coaching and I’m sure Frank thinks otherwise. I’m sure they’re plenty of times that Frank doesn’t want to handle the ball and he makes it apparent by letting Baker take his reps as back up point guard. It’s not the coach’s job to force a player to do something he doesn’t want to do. Knicks offense wasn’t the issue either. Burke was pretty good actually.

Frank said he wanted to be more of a leader out there. No one is stopping him from doing that. Especially when the chuckers you blame are off the floor. Remember last year it was “Jack this and Jarret Jack that” now it’s Burke, who’s going to be next season or the season after that? Let Frank be who he wants to be.

did he not look the most comfortable running the P&R in those nets clips? He sure looked pretty confident and sure of himself. I think franks a very astute player and sometimes for his own good. I think he would thrive with more structure which was point out before. Its the same reason he doesn't show out in the summer league. Too much free lancing. When he is tasked as running the offense and is give then duty he looks his best and that is my point on the whole subject.

Can’t compare the defensive pressure of the Nets to the Celtics. It’s night and day. He struggled against the Celtics because they are one of the best teams in the league. He will be fine.