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GT #6: Warriors @ Nets - Sun, Oct 28, 5:00pm ET

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Re: GT #6: Warriors @ Nets - Sun, Oct 28, 5:00pm ET 

Post#121 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:10 am

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DarkXaero wrote:I'm looking at his PER 36 numbers, and he averaged 14.7 PPG & 9.7 RPG PER 36 in his rookie year. Right now (not counting tonight's game), he's averaging 14.7 PPG and 10.5 RPG. PER of 17.5 rookie year, PER of 18.4 right now. TS% 63.6% in rookie year, 62.3% this year.


I'm looking at his real per game numbers and advanced stats, not his per 36.

even then, what you're providing isn't really proof of stagnation especially with his rebounding and blocks going up.

he's also 20 years old.
I was talking about his productivity (which is what PER 36 & PER are good for), which is at the same rate as rookie year. I didn't say he has stagnated, but 6 games in, he hasn't taken a leap forward either. His rebounding being slightly up is also a result of playing next to Dudley (who is a horrible rebounder) instead of RHJ & Carroll.

Yes, I'm well aware, he's 20 years old, thank you for reminding me. It doesn't mean he's excused from criticism.


I don't really understand your concern. he is clearly better right now in October of 2018 than he was in October of 2017. you're acting like he's not going to get better as the season goes along and in general its just weird and short sighted. relax.
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Re: GT #6: Warriors @ Nets - Sun, Oct 28, 5:00pm ET 

Post#122 » by DarkXaero » Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:13 am

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I'm looking at his real per game numbers and advanced stats, not his per 36.

even then, what you're providing isn't really proof of stagnation especially with his rebounding and blocks going up.

he's also 20 years old.
I was talking about his productivity (which is what PER 36 & PER are good for), which is at the same rate as rookie year. I didn't say he has stagnated, but 6 games in, he hasn't taken a leap forward either. His rebounding being slightly up is also a result of playing next to Dudley (who is a horrible rebounder) instead of RHJ & Carroll.

Yes, I'm well aware, he's 20 years old, thank you for reminding me. It doesn't mean he's excused from criticism.


I don't really understand your concern. he is clearly better right now in October of 2018 than he was in October of 2017. you're acting like he's not going to get better as the season goes along and in general its just weird and short sighted. relax.
I think you're confusing posters here. I said Kanter will probably abuse Allen again, Shark replied saying that he's worried about Allen this year. I wasn't the one who said that. Then you brought up stats, I replied that his productivity is pretty much the same as last year (which is true). So I'm not sure why this is being turned into an argument.
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Re: GT #6: Warriors @ Nets - Sun, Oct 28, 5:00pm ET 

Post#123 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:19 am

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I have to say, Russell's efficiency from deep and LeVert's overall game are making a nice combination

If Kenny would just let LeVert be the primary ball handler and let Russell focus on catch and shoot i think we'd see a lot more cleaner play.

and that doesn't means that we can't set screens, cause switches and allow Russell to work mismatches. I just need to see less turnovers. I'd rather see Russell react more than think. if that makes sense.
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Re: GT #6: Warriors @ Nets - Sun, Oct 28, 5:00pm ET 

Post#124 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:23 am

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DarkXaero wrote:I was talking about his productivity (which is what PER 36 & PER are good for), which is at the same rate as rookie year. I didn't say he has stagnated, but 6 games in, he hasn't taken a leap forward either. His rebounding being slightly up is also a result of playing next to Dudley (who is a horrible rebounder) instead of RHJ & Carroll.

Yes, I'm well aware, he's 20 years old, thank you for reminding me. It doesn't mean he's excused from criticism.


I don't really understand your concern. he is clearly better right now in October of 2018 than he was in October of 2017. you're acting like he's not going to get better as the season goes along and in general its just weird and short sighted. relax.
I think you're confusing posters here. I said Kanter will probably abuse Allen again, Shark replied saying that he's worried about Allen this year. I wasn't the one who said that. Then you brought up stats, I replied that his productivity is pretty much the same as last year (which is true). So I'm not sure why this is being turned into an argument.


I'm not confusing anything:

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Shark wrote:Allen's worrying me so far. He really doesn't look like he's feeling all that confident unlike he did last year. Not sure what's going on with him, but I'm rooting for him to pull through.


Allen is 20 years old, Averaging 11pts/8rebs/2.4blks per game. He's right on schedule.
His productivity has basically been the same as his rookie year. Only difference is that he's off to a bad start from the FT line this year, shooting only ~53%.


You're saying that his productivity is the same as his rookie year, when its clearly not when this time last year he wasn't even remotely doing anything like what he's doing now. He's in the top 10 in blocks, he's rebounding better, and teams are now game planning against him to cut down on the rim rolls. That is clearly not the same as his rookie year scenario.
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Re: GT #6: Warriors @ Nets - Sun, Oct 28, 5:00pm ET 

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Re: GT #6: Warriors @ Nets - Sun, Oct 28, 5:00pm ET 

Post#126 » by Hello Brooklyn » Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:57 am

Russell is really impressing me so far. Him and LeVert are much better than I anticipated.
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Re: GT #6: Warriors @ Nets - Sun, Oct 28, 5:00pm ET 

Post#127 » by LKIRNets » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:10 am

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I see I was right. 8-)

Relax people. I know it's hard to realize a team is in the process of growing up together. Stop worrying about front office spending. That's Marks job. In the mean time a 23 yo backcourt is starting to combine for 40+ on a given night. Last night nearly 50.
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Post#128 » by Paradise » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:07 am

Bob Myers & Kerr came away impressed.

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Re: GT #6: Warriors @ Nets - Sun, Oct 28, 5:00pm ET 

Post#129 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:43 am

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That's respect because they know damn well they took us lightly and ended up having to scrap in the 4th because LeVert and Russell were giving them the business. KD also praised the Nets in the post game interview.

I have to say, last night's game made me very proud of them. If we are going to lose, I'd rather see the Nets be beaten straight up like last night instead of giving away a victory like we did against the Pelicans.
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Re: GT #6: Warriors @ Nets - Sun, Oct 28, 5:00pm ET 

Post#130 » by MGrand15 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:02 pm

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MGrand15 wrote:I know everyone is still sour on Russell after the Pelicans game but he really played great today. Golden State does not make it easy on guards since they switch EVERYTHING and have basically no easy defenders. All of his 3s were in rhythm. He let the game come to him. Got to the rim. Drew some clutch fouls. Great overall game.

LeVert played really well too. If he hit that step back 3 over Klay where he created a ton of space and left him in the dirt, I would've punched a hole in the wall out of excitement. He missed a couple of bunnies and was still pretty damn efficient. MDBs been talking about looking at his FTA. Definitely very important for a scorer but it says a lot about his development that he's finding ways to score without those layups.

Dinwiddie deserves a shout out for keeping us in the game by hitting 3 back to back to back TOUGH 3s. Kept us in the game. He's been weirdly careless with the ball but him and Napier are going to be awesome off the bench.


I agree about Russell playing well despite the 5 TOs. He was highly efficient and responded to the challenge of playing against Steph well, in fact both he and Caris really brought it to the Splash Bros tonight. That should not go unnoticed.

Don't discount FTAs though. FTAs mean a far lot more than just helping guys score, as RJ pointed out in the post game the lack of FTAs by the Nets make things easier on the opponent. With LeVert being the best penetration ball handler on the team him getting FTAs means someone's racking up fouls. LeVert needs to be aiming for 8 FTAs a night.


Yeah, I'm not discounting it at all. Getting to the line is what separates true scorers from 15-17 PPG guys. Something to keep an eye on all year for sure.
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Re: GT #6: Warriors @ Nets - Sun, Oct 28, 5:00pm ET 

Post#131 » by Prokorov » Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:42 pm

Russell is showing the kind of player he can be when he shoots well. its night and day. he needs to be a consisten 40% 3 point shooter and automatic when wide open. his entire game hinges on that. he has a ton of bad habits... he needs to fix those.. thats on kenny as well.

Levert getting to the FT line is huge. i thought he players alot better this game, he started to get some chucking tendancis the last couple games. Defense was much better too. he needs to defend like that every night.

Napier has impressed me, i like the chip on his shoulder he plays with.
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Re: GT #6: Warriors @ Nets - Sun, Oct 28, 5:00pm ET 

Post#132 » by Claud » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:59 pm

Mannn If we could add KD to our core we would be legit. :pray: :pray: :pray:

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