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Re: PG Portland - Backcourt Domination 

Post#61 » by thomchatt3rton » Wed Nov 7, 2018 5:25 am

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Which of my points do you want to dispute? This is a player others are expecting MVP level performance from. He is constantly passing up the open 3 for the long 2, exactly what we hated from Midds last year.

Except we hated it from Midds because he is a talented shooter capable of making 3's, Giannis has never been a good shooter and is trying to build his own confidence.

And souring on Giannis? LOL. Look at the numbers he's putting up and the impact he's having on a game at 23 years old, it's unreal. He's doing all that while needing to improve in the areas you pointed out. You want to bail on a 23 year old with Giannis' work ethic and bet against him figuring it out? Have you been a fan the last decade plus? Giannis needs to be held accountable, but he's still an ultra elite talent.


It's just disappointing because if there was a season he was going to improve his shooting, I figured it would be this one with Bud in tow. Giannis' game is 90% power and physical skill, 10% finesse. Most of the greats have a balanced combo of both. I feel if you put a lot of heady players in his body, they could be MVP, but I'm not sure the IQ and finesse will ever be there for him).


Peoples' opinions and expectations for Giannis' greatness keep ratcheting up and up, so a correction or re-calibration is a natural reaction.

But the thing to do is step back and take a long view. In Bud's new system, the only guy with a real learning-curve in this offense is Giannis. He's the one with the most adjustments to make, and he's the one who has to learn the most new tricks in terms of how he plays.

It's fair always to criticize him, but keep in mind how expectations affect that.

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Post#62 » by DusterBuster » Wed Nov 7, 2018 5:26 am

I just wanted to say that I've really enjoyed the Bucks start to the season. I like your team and have been wildly impressed so far, here's hoping you guys can keep it rolling in the East! I'll definitely be pulling for ya this season in any game not vs the Blazers!
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Re: PG Portland - Backcourt Domination 

Post#63 » by Chuck Diesel » Wed Nov 7, 2018 5:26 am

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Chuck Diesel wrote:Portland is really good. Wish we had more worthwhile barometers like them in the east.


we do honestly. their basically gs lite. we needed to score more tonight


If the Portland Trailblazers played in Maine they'd be firmly among the top four in the east with as as reasonable a chance at playing in the Finals as we have. We only play two teams better than them four times a year.
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Post#64 » by Magic Giannison » Wed Nov 7, 2018 5:26 am

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Coach Carter wrote:Regarding giannis

the good: Looking like prime shaq in the paint

the bad: cant shoot and worse he scared to shoot (even a long 2), turnovers, indecisiveness

What about his best defense in the league and his passing?>


His defense yes, but his passing positive is negated by continual five and six turnover games.

His turonvers are a problem but the majority of those dont come from his passing, the difference is that Giannis creates open wide shots because of how he draws opponents defense to him.

We get couple of t/os when our guys got crispy fingers like Ersan tonight, another couple when refs calls BS travels and combine that with usage you get the t/o.

he got two more assists than r/os its not that big problem at all.
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Post#65 » by HKPackFan » Wed Nov 7, 2018 5:27 am

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Coach Carter wrote:Regarding giannis

the good: Looking like prime shaq in the paint

the bad: cant shoot and worse he scared to shoot (even a long 2), turnovers, indecisiveness


He should be scared to shoot long 2s.



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Re: PG Portland - Backcourt Domination 

Post#66 » by Magic Giannison » Wed Nov 7, 2018 5:29 am

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:last year when we went to Portland brogdon was out and Bledsoe went off for 25 on 10-17. just a game. move on

The problem is Brogdon not Bledsoe.

Brogdon tries to plays and force stuff that he cannot simply do and when he does he is either predictable or forces bad things.

Either trade him for a better starting SG or move him to the bench he simply cannot play on ball and point.
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Post#67 » by RiotPunch » Wed Nov 7, 2018 5:30 am

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Which of my points do you want to dispute? This is a player others are expecting MVP level performance from. He is constantly passing up the open 3 for the long 2, exactly what we hated from Midds last year.

Except we hated it from Midds because he is a talented shooter capable of making 3's, Giannis has never been a good shooter and is trying to build his own confidence.

And souring on Giannis? LOL. Look at the numbers he's putting up and the impact he's having on a game at 23 years old, it's unreal. He's doing all that while needing to improve in the areas you pointed out. You want to bail on a 23 year old with Giannis' work ethic and bet against him figuring it out? Have you been a fan the last decade plus? Giannis needs to be held accountable, but he's still an ultra elite talent.


It's just disappointing because if there was a season he was going to improve his shooting, I figured it would be this one with Bud in tow. Giannis' game is 90% power and physical skill, 10% finesse. Most of the greats have a balanced combo of both. I feel if you put a lot of heady players in his body, they could be MVP, but I'm not sure the IQ and finesse will ever be there for him).

He's had less than the better part of a year with a real coaching staff. Under Kidd, all he knew was attacking at-will with blinders on and not being allowed to even think about firing up a 3. He's got deep mechanical and confidence issues as a shooter and he's still trying to see the game differently as a facilitator. That 90% power and physical skill Giannis possesses is something no one else possesses, by a large margin.
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Post#68 » by msiris » Wed Nov 7, 2018 5:33 am

We still need a 3rd really good player.
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Post#69 » by Coach Carter » Wed Nov 7, 2018 5:35 am

HKPackFan wrote:
trwi7 wrote:
Coach Carter wrote:Regarding giannis

the good: Looking like prime shaq in the paint

the bad: cant shoot and worse he scared to shoot (even a long 2), turnovers, indecisiveness


He should be scared to shoot long 2s.



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Post#70 » by RiotPunch » Wed Nov 7, 2018 5:35 am

HKPackFan wrote:
trwi7 wrote:
Coach Carter wrote:Regarding giannis

the good: Looking like prime shaq in the paint

the bad: cant shoot and worse he scared to shoot (even a long 2), turnovers, indecisiveness


He should be scared to shoot long 2s.



The shadow of Jason Kidd runs deep. KIDD-PTSD.

It's a real thing. We've embraced the new system pretty well, as Paschke/Marques keep hammering into us, but there are underlying, lingering Kiddiocies that you see most from Giannis and Midds. Giannis neglecting to see/feel Brogdon wide open in the corner while triple-covered, Midds neglecting to move the ball to BroLo while Seth Curry is guarding him on the perimeter and he's on fire. Kidd habits resurfacing, it'll take time to fully exorcize those demons.
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Post#71 » by Magic Giannison » Wed Nov 7, 2018 5:36 am

Can someone explain me why we tried to run at the paint in the last 4-5 minutes ? Its like Kidd took over and we reverted to bad days all of sudden
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Re: PG Portland - Backcourt Domination 

Post#72 » by Pachinko_ » Wed Nov 7, 2018 5:38 am

I think Bud is learning as well. He needs to get torched a couple of times.
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Post#73 » by 3Diamantidis » Wed Nov 7, 2018 5:38 am

I still don't get why Wood isn't playing at all.
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Post#74 » by trwi7 » Wed Nov 7, 2018 5:39 am

We didn't do anything wrong tonight. Portland just made a ton of terrible shots. It happens sometimes.

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Post#75 » by RiotPunch » Wed Nov 7, 2018 5:40 am

Pachinko_ wrote:I think Bud is learning as well. He needs to get torched a couple of times.

It'll make for a great film session tomorrow, while humbling everyone in the organization, from the players to our fearless leader GM.
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Post#76 » by ClassicJack » Wed Nov 7, 2018 5:40 am

I'm here for Brogdan with the bench crew. I still like him as a player but he is pure garbage when he doesn't know when the ball is going to touch his hands again. He maxes out as an elite bench guy. Let him be that and start Donte.
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Post#77 » by Pachinko_ » Wed Nov 7, 2018 5:44 am

trwi7 wrote:We didn't do anything wrong tonight. Portland just made a ton of terrible shots. It happens sometimes.

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Well that's my question, that's always been my question with this 3>2 thingy
A mid range shot is supposed to be a terrible shot to be avoided at all costs, but if it's someone like McCollum taking it, and he's wide open, is it really terrible? Coz this guy can make 100 of those before missing. And he's not the only one, every 2nd or 3rd team in the NBA has a guy like that. What % do you need to shoot from 3 to beat that?
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Re: PG Portland - Backcourt Domination 

Post#78 » by Magic Giannison » Wed Nov 7, 2018 5:46 am

Pachinko_ wrote:
trwi7 wrote:We didn't do anything wrong tonight. Portland just made a ton of terrible shots. It happens sometimes.

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Well that's my question, that's always been my question with this 3>2 thingy
A mid range shot is supposed to be a terrible shot to be avoided at all costs, but if it's someone like McCollum taking it, and he's wide open, is it really terrible? Coz this guy can make 100 of those before missing. And he's not the only one, every 2nd or 3rd team in the NBA has a guy like that. What % do you need to shoot from 3 to beat that?

The problem is not that they made those wide open 3s or midrange, the problem is that they took so many to begin with. if you do not disturb their shooting and force them to take bad shots then its pointless otherwise, its practice.

We played like once fantastic and force them to turn over the ball while they kept Pnring our asses left and right and getting open shots
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Post#79 » by emunney » Wed Nov 7, 2018 5:47 am

Quite a hot take salad itt
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Post#80 » by Magic Giannison » Wed Nov 7, 2018 5:49 am

emunney wrote:Quite a hot take salad itt

Does ti have olive oil and feta?

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