2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread

[DaGawd]

I'm sick of watching Bulls games, primarily to see how Carter goes, only for him to get absolutely shafted by rookie foul calls. He's got his 3rd 3 minutes in to the 2nd quarter and only 1 was a foul. It happens every game to him.

I feel you. Mavs have same problem with Doncic on the other end, the kid is a punching bag, refs call only the elbows to the head lately.

Actually, scratch that, they didn't even call a blatant elbow to the head vs. Nets.

Yeah, rookie treatment by refs is an absolute joke in this league.

Mitchell Robinson and Knox also get this treatment a ton.. althought they bought do have a propensity to commit dumb rookie type fouls.

[mg]

Well gotta eat my words since the Cavs did win last night.
Sexton finished 25/5/3/1/1 while still shooting over 50% from the field. Nice game by the rook.

[leolozon]

I feel like ROY is a problematic award. The player winning MVP is playing at about the same level every year, same with DOPY and 6MOY, but with rookies that's not the case, because the pool of players is too shallow. You have years where Brogdon, M. Miller or MCW can win ROY and then you have years like this year.

Sometimes I think ROY should be scrapped for a system where some years no one gets the award and other years 2-3 guys can get the award. Why not allow people to vote for as many people as they think deserves it and if a player reaches a certain %, he gets it.

[Milk]

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[J_T]

Sometimes I think ROY should be scrapped for a system where some years no one gets the award and other years 2-3 guys can get the award. Why not allow people to vote for as many people as they think deserves it and if a player reaches a certain %, he gets it.

They should do the same with the title. If you have for example Lakers and Celtics both being very strong, why play the Finals at all? Just give em the rings.

Also I think every team should get an award, a participation award of some kind. There are no losers and winners in today's society, we are all special, unique, we are all the best.

You know what... now that I think about it... there is too much toxic masculinity in NBA, we should just close down the league and pat each other on the back for 2 hours every 4 days.

[leolozon]

Sometimes I think ROY should be scrapped for a system where some years no one gets the award and other years 2-3 guys can get the award. Why not allow people to vote for as many people as they think deserves it and if a player reaches a certain %, he gets it.

They should do the same with the title. If you have for example Lakers and Celtics both being very strong, why play the Finals at all? Just give em the rings.

Also I think every team should get an award, a participation award of some kind. There are no losers and winners in today's society, we are all special, unique, we are all the best.

You know what... now that I think about it... there is too much toxic masculinity in NBA, we should just close down the league and pat each other on the back for 2 hours every 4 days.

That as nothing to do with what I wrote…. Straw man 101. You can't make an argument, yet you try to make it seem like I'm the foolish one.

You must have missed the part where I said that some years "no one gets it", because no one deserves it. That alone invalidates everything you wrote about "participation". This system doesn't mean that more people would get an award, it just means that more deserving people gets it. Brogdon doesn't get one over Ayton or Doncic for being a worst competitor than them. It's exactly the opposite of what you're saying...

You also missed the part about other awards being different, if not you wouldn't have brought "titles" into the discussion.

Your reading comprehension is lacking.

I'm also not saying that it's the way to go. Just that ROY has more "fluctuation" than any other award when it comes to the quality of the recipient. And that the system I'm talking about would allow more deserving rookies to get the award over less deserving rookies. That's it.

Next time you want to be an a**hole, try to have a better ground to stand on. Or… just don't be an a**hole.

[J_T]

Sometimes I think ROY should be scrapped for a system where some years no one gets the award and other years 2-3 guys can get the award. Why not allow people to vote for as many people as they think deserves it and if a player reaches a certain %, he gets it.

They should do the same with the title. If you have for example Lakers and Celtics both being very strong, why play the Finals at all? Just give em the rings.

Also I think every team should get an award, a participation award of some kind. There are no losers and winners in today's society, we are all special, unique, we are all the best.

You know what... now that I think about it... there is too much toxic masculinity in NBA, we should just close down the league and pat each other on the back for 2 hours every 4 days.

That as nothing to do with what I wrote…. Straw man 101. You can't make an argument, yet you try to make it seem like I'm the foolish one.

You must have missed the part where I said that some years "no one gets it", because no one deserves it. That alone invalidates everything you wrote about "participation". This system doesn't mean that more people would get an award, it just means that more deserving people gets it. Brogdon doesn't get one over Ayton or Doncic for being a worst competitor than them. It's exactly the opposite of what you're saying...

You also missed the part about other awards being different, if not you wouldn't have brought "titles" into the discussion.

Your reading comprehension is lacking.

I'm also not saying that it's the way to go. Just that ROY has more "fluctuation" than any other award when it comes to the quality of the recipient. And that the system I'm talking about would allow more deserving rookies to get the award over less deserving rookies. That's it.

Next time you want to be an a**hole, try to have a better ground to stand on. Or… just don't be an a**hole.

Yeah, you can't get out of this, buddy. When you start talking about nobody "deserving" an award or multiple subjects "deserving" an award, that's exactly what it means. When the actual award is defined as one player or team winning it, that's where the discussion stops.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with my proposals, IF your proposal is accepted. Why couldn't we say "Both teams are great, two of the best teams of all time, let's just decide they are both winners." And of course if all teams are crappy, then nobody would win the league that season.

That's not how it works. Somebody always wins. And others lose. All you have to do is beat all other competitors. Not competitors from previous seasons. It's just silly.

[XTraderXL]

I think Young is out of the running for the award at this point. He is just too inconsistent, has too many just awful games to compete with top rookies. I have to put Doncic at the top right now, with Ayton and JJJ just behind him. Those are the top 3 rookies so far hands down. I would put Young out of the top 5 right now and I really font think he will make his way into top 3 by the end of the season. His best NBA attribute is passing and even there he is very inconsistent, he can go from 17 asists one game to 2 asists the next. I expected he will struggle with his shot but I thought that when thats not falling, he will at least be able to focus on his passing and playmaking consistently. You never know what you will be getting from him but you can always count on the top 3 to do things to help the team. Even if they have a bad game they still produce and when Young has a bad game, he stinks it up completely and his team has no chance.

[BlueSan]

Nah far from out yet, same as hard for everyone to be out otherwise also, we are barely at 20%

Just above you have a great performance by Trier. Things are far from settled and I like it. This rookie class is so far amazing from my perspective

[Chi town]

Luka and JJJ were my guys at the draft. Wanted Bulls to trade up so badly. Happy w WCJ but he’s not a superstar talent like them.

Luka will won ROY hands down and starting next year will be an all star for a decade and probably get a couple MVPs. His IQ and PnR is off the charts.

I said JJJ looked like a young KG and I got laughed at... now he’s proving it. He’s way ahead of where I thought he’d be right now.

[magnumt]

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Both of his Career highs this year (both 20+ points) have lead the Knicks to victory.

Pretty ballsy for an unDrafted Rookie!

Helluva job by GM Scott Perry to find gems like Trier & Mitchell Robinson!

--Mags

[beeshma]

They should do the same with the title. If you have for example Lakers and Celtics both being very strong, why play the Finals at all? Just give em the rings.

Also I think every team should get an award, a participation award of some kind. There are no losers and winners in today's society, we are all special, unique, we are all the best.

You know what... now that I think about it... there is too much toxic masculinity in NBA, we should just close down the league and pat each other on the back for 2 hours every 4 days.

That as nothing to do with what I wrote…. Straw man 101. You can't make an argument, yet you try to make it seem like I'm the foolish one.

You must have missed the part where I said that some years "no one gets it", because no one deserves it. That alone invalidates everything you wrote about "participation". This system doesn't mean that more people would get an award, it just means that more deserving people gets it. Brogdon doesn't get one over Ayton or Doncic for being a worst competitor than them. It's exactly the opposite of what you're saying...

You also missed the part about other awards being different, if not you wouldn't have brought "titles" into the discussion.

Your reading comprehension is lacking.

I'm also not saying that it's the way to go. Just that ROY has more "fluctuation" than any other award when it comes to the quality of the recipient. And that the system I'm talking about would allow more deserving rookies to get the award over less deserving rookies. That's it.

Next time you want to be an a**hole, try to have a better ground to stand on. Or… just don't be an a**hole.

Yeah, you can't get out of this, buddy. When you start talking about nobody "deserving" an award or multiple subjects "deserving" an award, that's exactly what it means. When the actual award is defined as one player or team winning it, that's where the discussion stops.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with my proposals, IF your proposal is accepted. Why couldn't we say "Both teams are great, two of the best teams of all time, let's just decide they are both winners." And of course if all teams are crappy, then nobody would win the league that season.

That's not how it works. Somebody always wins. And others lose. All you have to do is beat all other competitors. Not competitors from previous seasons. It's just silly.

I think loelozon idea is worth discussing. And JT is wrong when he says the idea is laughable, or when he tries to change the argument to be about the title winner. In fact, when JT says the award must be awarded every year, he is the one arguing for a participation ribbon. While loelozon is arguing for defining a ROY standard that is based on historical rookie greatness, rather than random yearly fluctuation.

[J_T]

That as nothing to do with what I wrote…. Straw man 101. You can't make an argument, yet you try to make it seem like I'm the foolish one.

You must have missed the part where I said that some years "no one gets it", because no one deserves it. That alone invalidates everything you wrote about "participation". This system doesn't mean that more people would get an award, it just means that more deserving people gets it. Brogdon doesn't get one over Ayton or Doncic for being a worst competitor than them. It's exactly the opposite of what you're saying...

You also missed the part about other awards being different, if not you wouldn't have brought "titles" into the discussion.

Your reading comprehension is lacking.

I'm also not saying that it's the way to go. Just that ROY has more "fluctuation" than any other award when it comes to the quality of the recipient. And that the system I'm talking about would allow more deserving rookies to get the award over less deserving rookies. That's it.

Next time you want to be an a**hole, try to have a better ground to stand on. Or… just don't be an a**hole.

Yeah, you can't get out of this, buddy. When you start talking about nobody "deserving" an award or multiple subjects "deserving" an award, that's exactly what it means. When the actual award is defined as one player or team winning it, that's where the discussion stops.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with my proposals, IF your proposal is accepted. Why couldn't we say "Both teams are great, two of the best teams of all time, let's just decide they are both winners." And of course if all teams are crappy, then nobody would win the league that season.

That's not how it works. Somebody always wins. And others lose. All you have to do is beat all other competitors. Not competitors from previous seasons. It's just silly.

I think loelozon idea is worth discussing. And JT is wrong when he says the idea is laughable, or when he tries to change the argument to be about the title winner. In fact, when JT says the award must be awarded every year, he is the one arguing for a participation ribbon. While loelozon is arguing for defining a ROY standard that is based on historical rookie greatness, rather than random yearly fluctuation.

That's ridiculous. It's called Rookie of THE YEAR!

I'll admit that part of me wants to see this implemented. Imagine all the drama surrounding it. It would have been the stupidest award in any sport. I think it would have a chance of becoming a meme. Nobody deserved rookie of the year award this season and so the award goes to ... Simmons, for the 6th time!

[cjx]

Luka reminds me of Brandon Roy with a little Mark Price thrown in, he's clearly the no. 1 candidate for ROY!

[gh123]

DAMN! Missed the first quarter!!! Are Luka andTatum guarding each other? Luka went off big time!

[leolozon]

Yeah, you can't get out of this, buddy. When you start talking about nobody "deserving" an award or multiple subjects "deserving" an award, that's exactly what it means. When the actual award is defined as one player or team winning it, that's where the discussion stops.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with my proposals, IF your proposal is accepted. Why couldn't we say "Both teams are great, two of the best teams of all time, let's just decide they are both winners." And of course if all teams are crappy, then nobody would win the league that season.

That's not how it works. Somebody always wins. And others lose. All you have to do is beat all other competitors. Not competitors from previous seasons. It's just silly.

I think loelozon idea is worth discussing. And JT is wrong when he says the idea is laughable, or when he tries to change the argument to be about the title winner. In fact, when JT says the award must be awarded every year, he is the one arguing for a participation ribbon. While loelozon is arguing for defining a ROY standard that is based on historical rookie greatness, rather than random yearly fluctuation.

That's ridiculous. It's called Rookie of THE YEAR!

I'll admit that part of me wants to see this implemented. Imagine all the drama surrounding it. It would have been the stupidest award in any sport. I think it would have a chance of becoming a meme. Nobody deserved rookie of the year award this season and so the award goes to ... Simmons, for the 6th time!

Your other post answering me was easily explained by something that was in my post: "ROY has more "fluctuation" than any other award when it comes to the quality of the recipient."If one day no player in the league is any good and they have to give the MVP to an average player like JJ Redick, then you'll be right. But it won't happen, which was my point. It only happens with ROY, because there are barely 10 guys playing enough to compete for it. There's also no championship team that can be compared to what Brodgon or Miller did as rookies.

As for ROY, if you change the system, you change the name and call it "Outstanding rookie award" or something like that. I don't think any professional athlete deserves an award for being average at what they do.That's what happened with Brogdon, Miller or MCW, among others. They simply didn't deserve an award, but it had to be given so they got it. It looks like a participation trophy to me.

You were wrong about my intentions and you still act like you weren't.

[Goudelock]

Luka Doncic with 13 and 5 after one half of playing PG. I just want to see this guy play PG full-time from now until the end of the season.

[gh123]

Luka would have so many more assists and rebounds if DJ was an NBA player...

[gh123]

Brown being dirty lol, hope he breaks his spine. Luka has been amazing this game.

[gh123]

Brown being dirty lol, hope he breaks his spine. Luka has been amazing this game.

Sexton with another great game btw and a W against the Rockets!