Political Roundtable Part XXIII

[queridiculo]

Key word jack ass, i pay and ive always paid since i started working. Dont use my condition as a joke or to further your argument, you're a POS, low life

You do understand that the only reason you're able to receive care under your insurance is because people without chronic conditions are helping you carry the financial burden right?

Good luck with your coverage once the ACA is stripped of provisions like pre-existing conditions, maximum benefits etc.

[popper]

The funny thing about daoneandonly's right wing talking points is that they're all from like 2008. Chastising liberals for being TAKERS and BABY KILLERS is pretty old hat compared to what conservatives are really into these days.

Just wait until he stumbles into QAnon type content or discovers the entire YouTube platform.

What do conservatives do that's worse than killing a child? In most people's books, hurting a child is the worst thing you can do, so I'd imagine killing would be worse.

Go ahead and explain, oh let me guess, the baby is not a child. That's rich.

dao - I respect your position on abortion but you have to remember that others have a right to their beliefs as well. And that does not make them evil. It’s perfectly logical to promote/accept abortion or withhold govt medical care from the elderly if your faith allows for it. History is full of regimes that place little value on human life and if there is no higher power to answer to then it’s a logical option to gain and hold power.

[TGW]

Key word jack ass, i pay and ive always paid since i started working. Dont use my condition as a joke or to further your argument, you're a POS, low life

You do understand that the only reason you're able to receive care under your insurance is because people without chronic conditions are helping you carry the financial burden right?

Good luck with your coverage once the ACA is stripped of provisions like pre-existing conditions, maximum benefits etc.

OMG this guy has a pre-existing condition?

daoneandonly--Obama and socialism is saving you right now. Without others subsidizing your healthcare, you'd be SOL buddy. But go ahead, let's hear your right-wing ramblings on how "you pay" for your own healthcare.

[TGW]

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[gtn130]

Key word jack ass, i pay and ive always paid since i started working. Dont use my condition as a joke or to further your argument, you're a POS, low life

You do understand that the only reason you're able to receive care under your insurance is because people without chronic conditions are helping you carry the financial burden right?

Good luck with your coverage once the ACA is stripped of provisions like pre-existing conditions, maximum benefits etc.

Holy **** daoneandonly has no idea how insurance works or how he's personally benefitting from the ACA. He's literally, literally here lecturing us about how he has to pay for all these liberals who want things for free or subsidized by his income, but the total opposite is true as it applies to daoneandonly.

daoneandonly, buddy, I am 100% healthy and haven't been the doctor in like a decade (I should go), and I am subsidizing your health insurance. Please **** off with your bull****.

[FAH1223]

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[queridiculo]

Just another case of socialism being totally cool as long as it benefits "job creators."

[TGW]

Just another case of socialism being totally cool as long as it benefits "job creators."

Gov. Cuomo in NYC handed over $1.2B in taxpayer dollars to Amazon for a measly 5,000 jobs a year. You can't tell me that isn't corporate welfare at it's worse.

[daoneandonly]

Key word jack ass, i pay and ive always paid since i started working. Dont use my condition as a joke or to further your argument, you're a POS, low life

You do understand that the only reason you're able to receive care under your insurance is because people without chronic conditions are helping you carry the financial burden right?

Good luck with your coverage once the ACA is stripped of provisions like pre-existing conditions, maximum benefits etc.

Holy **** daoneandonly has no idea how insurance works or how he's personally benefitting from the ACA. He's literally, literally here lecturing us about how he has to pay for all these liberals who want things for free or subsidized by his income, but the total opposite is true as it applies to daoneandonly.

daoneandonly, buddy, I am 100% healthy and haven't been the doctor in like a decade (I should go), and I am subsidizing your health insurance. Please **** off with your bull****.

Key word jack ass, i pay and ive always paid since i started working. Dont use my condition as a joke or to further your argument, you're a POS, low life

You do understand that the only reason you're able to receive care under your insurance is because people without chronic conditions are helping you carry the financial burden right?

Good luck with your coverage once the ACA is stripped of provisions like pre-existing conditions, maximum benefits etc.

OMG this guy has a pre-existing condition?

daoneandonly--Obama and socialism is saving you right now. Without others subsidizing your healthcare, you'd be SOL buddy. But go ahead, let's hear your right-wing ramblings on how "you pay" for your own healthcare.

Key word jack ass, i pay and ive always paid since i started working. Dont use my condition as a joke or to further your argument, you're a POS, low life

You do understand that the only reason you're able to receive care under your insurance is because people without chronic conditions are helping you carry the financial burden right?

Good luck with your coverage once the ACA is stripped of provisions like pre-existing conditions, maximum benefits etc.

You three are more the bucket Hillary tried to qualify more than any Trump supporter I ever engaged with

I don't need to worry about ACA, do you miss the part where I go through insurance from my employer. Up until I was 21, I was on my parent's plan,. they busted their butts in jobs they did not encessarily like to provide for their kids, that includes health insurance. I am at the job I am now, big chunk due to the benefits related to health insurance and retirement, the job sucks, i hate it, but thats whart a real man or woman does, they work to support themselves and make their ends meet.

And whats your definition of pre-existing condition? isnt it use din the context of having a condition and not being denied health insurance, I have insurance, I've always had it, so stop talking irrelevant stuff like that and ACA as your arguments.

There are ppl who have far worse conditions than me, but they also pay, they go through their employer or whatever. I use health insurance, they use health insurance. What I don't use is PP, and never will, yet I still get to pay for that. How many hundreds of thousands of companies offer health insurance, but no, lets have the government intervene so kumbaya we can live the commune lifestyle.

Keep my medical/birth issue out of your fingertips

[daoneandonly]

The funny thing about daoneandonly's right wing talking points is that they're all from like 2008. Chastising liberals for being TAKERS and BABY KILLERS is pretty old hat compared to what conservatives are really into these days.

Just wait until he stumbles into QAnon type content or discovers the entire YouTube platform.

What do conservatives do that's worse than killing a child? In most people's books, hurting a child is the worst thing you can do, so I'd imagine killing would be worse.

Go ahead and explain, oh let me guess, the baby is not a child. That's rich.

dao - I respect your position on abortion but you have to remember that others have a right to their beliefs as well. And that does not make them evil. It’s perfectly logical to promote/accept abortion or withhold govt medical care from the elderly if your faith allows for it. History is full of regimes that place little value on human life and if there is no higher power to answer to then it’s a logical option to gain and hold power.

How did this not get more And1's or quotes, this is a very solid post and i appreciate your thoughts. Touche!

[queridiculo]

I don't need to worry about ACA, do you miss the part where I go through insurance form my employer. Up until I was 21, I was on my parent's plan,. they busted their butts in jobs they did not encessarily like to provide for their kids, that includes health insurance. I am at the job I am now, big chunk due to the benefits related to health insurance and retirement, the job sucks, i hate it, but thats whart a real man or woman does, they work to support themselves and make their ends meet.

And whats your definition of pre-existing condition? isnt it use din the context of having a condition and not being denied health insurance, I have it, I've always had it, so stop talking irrelevant stuff like that and ACA as your arguments.

There are ppl who have far worse conditions than me, but they also pay, they go through their employer or whatever. How many hundreds of thousands of companies offer health insurance, but no, lets have the government intervene so kumbaya we cna live the commune lifestyle.

Keep my medical/birth issue out of your fingertips

Why am I not surprised that you're completely clueless about how the ACA affects your employer sponsored healthcare...

- ACA provisions on pre-existing conditions AFFECTS ALL AMERICANS. Before the ACA employer sponsored healthplans could flat out deny coverage, or delay coverage for people with pre-existing conditions

- ACA provisions cap out-of-pocket expense FOR ALL AMERICANS.

- ACA requires insurances to offer preventative services at no charge FOR ALL AMERICANS.

- ACA eliminates maximum lifetime benefits on essential services FOR ALL AMERICANS.

- ACA requires insurances to provide a right to review FOR ALL AMERICANS.

[daoneandonly]

I don't need to worry about ACA, do you miss the part where I go through insurance form my employer. Up until I was 21, I was on my parent's plan,. they busted their butts in jobs they did not encessarily like to provide for their kids, that includes health insurance. I am at the job I am now, big chunk due to the benefits related to health insurance and retirement, the job sucks, i hate it, but thats whart a real man or woman does, they work to support themselves and make their ends meet.

And whats your definition of pre-existing condition? isnt it use din the context of having a condition and not being denied health insurance, I have it, I've always had it, so stop talking irrelevant stuff like that and ACA as your arguments.

There are ppl who have far worse conditions than me, but they also pay, they go through their employer or whatever. How many hundreds of thousands of companies offer health insurance, but no, lets have the government intervene so kumbaya we cna live the commune lifestyle.

Keep my medical/birth issue out of your fingertips

Why am I not surprised that you're completely clueless about how the ACA affects your employer sponsored healthcare...

- ACA provisions on pre-existing conditions AFFECTS ALL AMERICANS. Before the ACA employer sponsored healthplans could flat out deny coverage, or delay coverage for people with pre-existing conditions

- ACA provisions cap out-of-pocket expense FOR ALL AMERICANS.

- ACA requires free preventative services at no charge FOR ALL AMERICANS.

- ACA eliminates maximum lifetime benefits on essential services FOR ALL AMERICANS.

- ACA requires insurances to provide a right to review FOR ALL AMERICANS.

Oh I know how ACA impacts my health insurance, like i said, before aca my premiums went up in line with inflation, once aca kicked in, 21 freaking percent. And no, thats not due to my "pre existing condition" or anyone else, thats due to the asinine legislation by the most overrated POTUS we ever had.

[gtn130]

I don't need to worry about ACA, do you miss the part where I go through insurance from my employer. Up until I was 21, I was on my parent's plan,. they busted their butts in jobs they did not encessarily like to provide for their kids, that includes health insurance. I am at the job I am now, big chunk due to the benefits related to health insurance and retirement, the job sucks, i hate it, but thats whart a real man or woman does, they work to support themselves and make their ends meet.

And whats your definition of pre-existing condition? isnt it use din the context of having a condition and not being denied health insurance, I have insurance, I've always had it, so stop talking irrelevant stuff like that and ACA as your arguments.

There are ppl who have far worse conditions than me, but they also pay, they go through their employer or whatever. I use health insurance, they use health insurance. What I don't use is PP, and never will, yet I still get to pay for that. How many hundreds of thousands of companies offer health insurance, but no, lets have the government intervene so kumbaya we can live the commune lifestyle.

[queridiculo]

I don't need to worry about ACA, do you miss the part where I go through insurance from my employer. Up until I was 21, I was on my parent's plan,. they busted their butts in jobs they did not encessarily like to provide for their kids, that includes health insurance. I am at the job I am now, big chunk due to the benefits related to health insurance and retirement, the job sucks, i hate it, but thats whart a real man or woman does, they work to support themselves and make their ends meet.

And whats your definition of pre-existing condition? isnt it use din the context of having a condition and not being denied health insurance, I have insurance, I've always had it, so stop talking irrelevant stuff like that and ACA as your arguments.

There are ppl who have far worse conditions than me, but they also pay, they go through their employer or whatever. I use health insurance, they use health insurance. What I don't use is PP, and never will, yet I still get to pay for that. How many hundreds of thousands of companies offer health insurance, but no, lets have the government intervene so kumbaya we can live the commune lifestyle.

Oh I know how ACA impacts my health insurance

[gtn130]

The funny thing about daoneandonly's right wing talking points is that they're all from like 2008. Chastising liberals for being TAKERS and BABY KILLERS is pretty old hat compared to what conservatives are really into these days.

Just wait until he stumbles into QAnon type content or discovers the entire YouTube platform.

Lol it’s always funny how these guys try to paint themselves as something they’re not. Remember daoneandonly was a Kaepernick supporting, Medicare for all supporter that only voted for Trump because of the Supreme Court to protect those innocent non human lives. Press him a bit and he turns into your typical right wing hack that only wants to horde his money, supports Trump unconditionally and spits out your Uncles favourite Clinton conspiracies. Remember when STD tried to claim that he’s a Bernie supporter that voted twice for Obama hahahaha why do these people insist we will ever fall for their bull?

SD20 claiming to be a 2x Obama voter and Bernie supporter will go down in history as one of the most hilarious lies of all time.

[gtn130]

And speaking of SD20, whatever happened to GoC?

[stilldropin20]

So according to daoneandonly Liberals don’t pay any taxes. Someone should notify the IRS since they’re missing out on a huge revenue stream.

Didnt say they didnt, but they just cant help themselves, they want more and more. Free healthcare, free college education, wipe out student loan debt, none of these things are feasible or sensible.

First of all...none of that is actually "free." It's paid for by TAX DOLLARS.

Second of all, OF COURSE IT'S FEASIBLE. Are you nuts? The college education program is a measly $47B a year. Student loan debt could have been wiped out with the last proposed military budget increase. Our current healthcare system costs $48T over ten years; a Medicare for All system would cost $32T.

You conservatives claim to be pro-life, but have no problem with 50,000 dead Americans every year due to lack of access to healthcare. You have no problem with the silly, expensive wars that cost us trillions of dollars.

You people (YEP....YOU PEOPLE) pick and choose which lives you care about, and that's why no one takes you seriously.

I'm going to go a bit deeper than i usually do so please try to keep up and watch me for the changes.

i keep harping on "free stuff" generically and claiming it wont work. And it doesn't. On many levels. But lets focus on the most destructive force of socialism. The most crushing blow to a socialistic society, also the one least talked about is What i will refer to as The Collective Creative. <--And that is what suffers most, dies the most in socialism cultures. Capitalism comes from the word head...it refers to the mind. In capitalism, we assume that we dont know everything. We assume that innovations will arise and "make things better." We assume that these innovations ARE NEEDED AND NECESSARY.

We assume that a culture (as a whole) that is dependent on capitalism will adapt better. Will adapt more rapidly. Will advance better. Will advance more rapidly. You see, capitalism is not just a way of life for today. its a means to an end for a better tomorrow. A tomorrow where we may need to feed a lot more people. A tomorrow where the earth may become very hot or very cold again. A tomorrow where maybe an asteroid hits us. A tomorrow where maybe we are invaded by a surrounding culture. A tomorrow where maybe we are overwhelmed in debt from the past.

You see...its the inherent qualities of capitalism that rewards "the collective creative" to continually build upon itself and to strive for greater innovations of efficiency and effectiveness.

And although...some (are made to feel by the victim mongers) and though they have been left behind by the wheels of capitalism...well there is a thing called the greater good of a society at large. And that...for the most part is the macro evaluation and argument for capitalism over socialism.

On a micro level...in a vacuum let's look at "free" college:

1. For starters, we know nothing is free...and the costs just get spread around.

2. We also know that free really means paid for by the government which will pay for tuition using tax revenue...but really...at this point it really means just borrowing more money at 5% interest rates from "big banks."

3. And we know that this has only made college more expensive and less efficient.

4. "Big University" pushes for free college...because they simply want the free funds, unchecked by the public.

5. The poor public (thinks they) want it because they simply want the "free stuff."

6. And what seem like a win-win...ends up a major lose-lose.


What we end up with is a jobs market where everyone asks for a college diploma...I'll never forget...1993...I just came back from the US Navy...I was applying for jobs...and everyone asked for a college degree...i mean effin' lazy boy furniture was asking for a college degree for a "sales" position!! ...and they weren't alone. Everyone asked for a degree. I ended up at sportsmart...then a waiter/bartender before i got the gig at the Hilton and Towers on Michigan avenue where i became assistant director of guest services in 2 years.<--yes, i worked the entire 1996 democratic convention as hotel liasion to the CIA (because i was prior military and held a TS-SI-SCI security clearance. So I met everyone...including HRC, Oprah, mosely braun. I personally brought packages to HRC and drove Stephanopoulos to and from the airport. And the Hilton was a great place to work. Best job i ever held because back then the Hilton family still owned and ran it so in terms of great people, great spirit, fun, and making good money...it was the best. The chicago bears stayed there over night during every home game as did the cubs often, the bulls often. All the luncheons, etc. Walter Payton showed up for bears alumni stuff and had an ongoing prank with me where he would throw firecrackers in my office some other stuff. I once even raced him down wabash avenue (i smoked him). But as most football players were real jerks, Walter was a great guy! and that was a Fun job! And it paid me very well as I was still in undergrad in those years.

But that job was not listed in a news paper. I met someone who got me "in." I had no idea then how wonderful a job that was until years later. No idea how lucky i was. And they never needed a college diploma.

My point is that MOST jobs do not require a college diploma. Most jobs require:

1. simple common courtesy
2. self respect
3. and the respect of others
4. and a willingness to learn and work hard.

The entire "point" of requiring a college degree is that high school is not preparing kids with these skills anymore. PARENTS are not preparing kids with these skills anymore. LIFE is not preparing kids with these skills anymore.

Employers are (hoping) that college has. But most colleges dont do that either.

and when you make it "free," you have killed off the very purpose of college.

1. You kill off the collective creative of the individual.<--The willingness, the eagerness, the savviness of a young adult to manage their own time and balance themselves between working (to pay for college) and managing their own budget, and getting their work done both in their studies and at work. <--Thats the whole POINT of college for 80-90% of the jobs out there!!!!!

Employers simply want to know that they are choosing between multiple hard working, eager, respectful human beings. it is during the interview, hiring and trial phases of employment process where they weed out for personality fit and willingness to please and loyalty.

But we dont need college educations for this stuff. Especially "free" college educations!! By making it free, you killed the point!


Free college only kills off the collective creative in both the individual and worse a society as a whole. It makes us less prepared. Less adaptive. Less self respectful and therefore respect others less. Less mindful of costs. Less skilled at time management. Less everything!!! And more self entitled.<--This idea...that somehow...the world owes you something is anathema to the survival of a species.

We will end up with a whole lot more people that don't know even more of what they don't know.

And its only compounded by the fact that it let's the universities off the hook for teaching us. preparing us. training us. They simply get free money...and will be rewarded by a lazier public that will take even more easier classes.

I remember taking a few dance classes while in college. It was fun and my school didn't charge me for any credits over 12...so i took ballet and spanish dance (to get laid). it worked. I got laid. But i also learned a lot dancing. But is this what we want for our future? A bunch of kids taking classes to get laid all funded on the backs of the tax payers?? I mean, I earned my scholarships...i made the team. And i made the grades. And I served my time in the US navy. And these classes were not charged to anyone...they were free because after 12 credit hours i could take as many classes as I wanted.

I also farted around in many art classes, a photography class, and others...things that I actually use in both real estate and (esthetic) dentistry. And I still go dancing regularly and often...so i use that in "life." But i'm not the norm. Most guys just got a job...and coach their kids...and watch TV. And they dont need college degrees for their jobs. They just need to be respectful, willing to learn, and eager to work.

Now if someone earns a scholarship? Or their parents want to pay for yoga classes? Sure!!! I'm all for it!!!

But it makes no sense (for the tax payer) to pay for a kid to take ballet class that will never ever earn money dancing ballet and in fact is going to get a job in sales anyway. learn ballet all you want!! Its fun!! Take yoga!! I do!! But why on earth should the rest of us pay for it? let alone OVERPAY for it???

It only makes you weaker. A lessor version of yourself. And it killed the collective creative of the entire society. It doesn't work. its inefficient. Its ineffective.

[stilldropin20]

The funny thing about daoneandonly's right wing talking points is that they're all from like 2008. Chastising liberals for being TAKERS and BABY KILLERS is pretty old hat compared to what conservatives are really into these days.

Just wait until he stumbles into QAnon type content or discovers the entire YouTube platform.

Lol it’s always funny how these guys try to paint themselves as something they’re not. Remember daoneandonly was a Kaepernick supporting, Medicare for all supporter that only voted for Trump because of the Supreme Court to protect those innocent non human lives. Press him a bit and he turns into your typical right wing hack that only wants to horde his money, supports Trump unconditionally and spits out your Uncles favourite Clinton conspiracies. Remember when STD tried to claim that he’s a Bernie supporter that voted twice for Obama hahahaha why do these people insist we will ever fall for their bull?

SD20 claiming to be a 2x Obama voter and Bernie supporter will go down in history as one of the most hilarious lies of all time.

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I am a lifelong democrat.

I am still registered as a democrat.

I, in fact, worked the 1996 democratic convention as a liason to the DNC and the Hilton and Towers (my employer) that hosted the event and all the delegates.

I did vote for obama...thinking he would help chicago as the "hometown guy."

And i was an ardent Bernie supporter because i had come to grips with the fact that HRC and WJC are crooks who used their platform to enrich themeselves at the expense of the american tax payer and our children's future. Anything BUT hillary was my motto.

Then along came trump. And once Bernie was out, trump was the obvious choice. I dug deeper into trump and in fact many of my ideas align with him. namely transparency of government. Trump is showing us how the sausage is made!

[stilldropin20]

Just another case of socialism being totally cool as long as it benefits "job creators."

Gov. Cuomo in NYC handed over $1.2B in taxpayer dollars to Amazon for a measly 5,000 jobs a year. You can't tell me that isn't corporate welfare at it's worse.

80-90% of those jobs will be automated in 5 years or less as the where houses and delivery systems go automated.

Amazon is dangerous. machines that operate themselves will (sadly) break less often too!! So even repair and maintenace jobs will slowly disappear.

[daoneandonly]

The funny thing about daoneandonly's right wing talking points is that they're all from like 2008. Chastising liberals for being TAKERS and BABY KILLERS is pretty old hat compared to what conservatives are really into these days.

Just wait until he stumbles into QAnon type content or discovers the entire YouTube platform.

Lol it’s always funny how these guys try to paint themselves as something they’re not. Remember daoneandonly was a Kaepernick supporting, Medicare for all supporter that only voted for Trump because of the Supreme Court to protect those innocent non human lives. Press him a bit and he turns into your typical right wing hack that only wants to horde his money, supports Trump unconditionally and spits out your Uncles favourite Clinton conspiracies. Remember when STD tried to claim that he’s a Bernie supporter that voted twice for Obama hahahaha why do these people insist we will ever fall for their bull?

SD20 claiming to be a 2x Obama voter and Bernie supporter will go down in history as one of the most hilarious lies of all time.

Were you sitting in the booth with him? How do you know who he voted for? I mean you could theoretically pose as him all you need to know is his name, birthdate, and address, and you could vote as anybody in liberal MD.