Gordon Hayward Thread

Edug27 · Post #461 » by **Edug27** » Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:20 am

SmartWentCrazy wrote:Gordon isnt the issue, guys. He’s been disappointing relative to his salary and expected production, but he’s still functioning as a solid NBA player. Most advanced stats have painted him as a slightly positive player this year.

His scoring is ****. But his ball handling and passing gave been good. His rebounding has been solid. His defense has been very good.

His scoring will come. For our team to click, we need him to continue to shake the rust out. Itll be a roller coaster through the ASG, but it should level out shortly afterwards.

Hayward is most definitely part of the problem. The real problem is dudes like Hayward, Brown, Smart and Rozier are all struggling to shoot and put the ball in the rim. That’s too many minutes being used on dudes who can’t score in a league where teams are throwing up 120 pts like it’s nothing.

Post #462 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:54 am

Edug27 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Gordon isnt the issue, guys. He’s been disappointing relative to his salary and expected production, but he’s still functioning as a solid NBA player. Most advanced stats have painted him as a slightly positive player this year.

His scoring is ****. But his ball handling and passing gave been good. His rebounding has been solid. His defense has been very good.

His scoring will come. For our team to click, we need him to continue to shake the rust out. Itll be a roller coaster through the ASG, but it should level out shortly afterwards.

Hayward is most definitely part of the problem. The real problem is dudes like Hayward, Brown, Smart and Rozier are all struggling to shoot and put the ball in the rim. That’s too many minutes being used on dudes who can’t score in a league where teams are throwing up 120 pts like it’s nothing.

Meh, Gordon is essentially ET right now. Not what you want for 30M, but not heinous. Jaylen and Rozier, on the other hand...

cloverleaf · Post #463 » by **cloverleaf** » Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:56 am

Edug27 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Gordon isnt the issue, guys. He’s been disappointing relative to his salary and expected production, but he’s still functioning as a solid NBA player. Most advanced stats have painted him as a slightly positive player this year.

His scoring is ****. But his ball handling and passing gave been good. His rebounding has been solid. His defense has been very good.

His scoring will come. For our team to click, we need him to continue to shake the rust out. Itll be a roller coaster through the ASG, but it should level out shortly afterwards.

Hayward is most definitely part of the problem. The real problem is dudes like Hayward, Brown, Smart and Rozier are all struggling to shoot and put the ball in the rim. That’s too many minutes being used on dudes who can’t score in a league where teams are throwing up 120 pts like it’s nothing.

Don't look now, but Smart is up to #9 on the team for TS%, ahead of Gordon and Terry and way ahead of Jaylen.

Bostondave · Post #464 » by **Bostondave** » Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:48 am

I never wanted Haywood. I am on record saying that. I knew why Boston fans wanted him with such a wild enthusiam. But it didn't pan out. He will never be the same plaer he was before. But in the meantime while he's not being effective Brad is trying to figure out the best rotations in term of chemistry. Thing is anout that there is no guarentee that we will ever get cheminstry back. It's also up in the air whether we will get Hayward back. In the meantime the asdslap dash chemisty is gone.

Bostondave · Post #465 » by **Bostondave** » Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:51 am

I never wanted Haywood. I am on record saying that. I knew why Boston fans wanted him with such a wild enthusiam. But it didn't pan out. He will never be the same plaer he was before. But in the meantime while he's not being effective Brad is trying to figure out the best rotations in term of chemistry. Thing is anout that there is no guarentee that we will ever get cheminstry back. It's also up in the air whether we will get Hayward back. In the meantime the slash dash hemisty is gone. thought we had too many of the same type of player. e

Whydo does this site suck?. It moves so so slow for me.

JHTruth · Post #466 » by **JHTruth** » Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:17 pm

Kyrie For Three wrote:Pierce might be a Celtics homer, but he thinks Gordon needs more time. Maybe 40 games.

Watch on YouTube

AT LEAST 40 games in my mind. I get it, horrible injury going to take time. But it doesn't mean we can't acknowledge the reality that it's been extremely difficult working his way back in the rotation.

Hard to see him ever getting back to the guy we signed, but such is life. That's why we have all these draft picks to start restocking the cupboard as Horford/Hayward/Baynes get old/injured etc.

return2glory · Post #467 » by **return2glory** » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:03 am

REAlly liked how Hayward played against the Knicks.

Celtic fans are going to be loving Hayward in another 2 months.

reload141 · Post #468 » by **reload141** » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:08 am

return2glory wrote:REAlly liked how Hayward played against the Knicks.

Celtic fans are going to be loving Hayward in another 2 months.

This.

Post #469 » by **K For Three** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:50 am

He's looking better the last two games. Despite the loss vs. the Knicks, his clutch 3 at the end was likely a big confidence boost.

Solid game vs. Atlanta.

Just a personal theory, but those two Utah game disasters in a week was mentally tiring for him and he's shaking it off now.

ddb · Post #470 » by **ddb** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:23 pm

Hayward looks like he is about to start knocking down shots and upping his game. He's seen a few big shots go in the past few games. He's getting there slowly but surely.

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cloverleaf · Post #471 » by **cloverleaf** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:29 pm

Yep, he will be just what this team needs in several ways.

(As in another way I think Williams could be, if Stevens would invest a little more development/experience-building time in him.)

ddb · Post #472 » by **ddb** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:08 pm

cloverleaf wrote:Yep, he will be just what this team needs in several ways.

(As in another way I think Williams could be, if Stevens would invest a little more development/experience-building time in him.)

I think RWilliams can absolutely be a contributor to the rotation in the 2nd half of the season. He's young...They drafted him with next year and beyond in mind. They can afford to be patient with him, but if he can help now, why not? I see a super long and athletic big that will pick up a lot of fouls, sure, but also block shots, rebound and finish a few lobs. I think he could be a major steal from the draft in due time

Silky · Post #473 » by **Silky** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:24 pm

ddb wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:Yep, he will be just what this team needs in several ways.

(As in another way I think Williams could be, if Stevens would invest a little more development/experience-building time in him.)

I think RWilliams can absolutely be a contributor to the rotation in the 2nd half of the season. He's young...They drafted him with next year and beyond in mind. They can afford to be patient with him, but if he can help now, why not? I see a super long and athletic big that will pick up a lot of fouls, sure, but also block shots, rebound and finish a few lobs. I think he could be a major steal from the draft in due time

I would wager that if Hayward and Brown were making their shots that williams would be getting alot more playing time.

OldCeltics · Post #474 » by **OldCeltics** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:24 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Edug27 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Gordon isnt the issue, guys. He’s been disappointing relative to his salary and expected production, but he’s still functioning as a solid NBA player. Most advanced stats have painted him as a slightly positive player this year.

His scoring is ****. But his ball handling and passing gave been good. His rebounding has been solid. His defense has been very good.

His scoring will come. For our team to click, we need him to continue to shake the rust out. Itll be a roller coaster through the ASG, but it should level out shortly afterwards.

Hayward is most definitely part of the problem. The real problem is dudes like Hayward, Brown, Smart and Rozier are all struggling to shoot and put the ball in the rim. That’s too many minutes being used on dudes who can’t score in a league where teams are throwing up 120 pts like it’s nothing.

Meh, Gordon is essentially ET right now. Not what you want for 30M, but not heinous. Jaylen and Rozier, on the other hand...

Gordon is Extra Terrestrial? Don't be racist towards aliens bro. Some could be very good basketball players. see.. Space Jam

colaroaster · Post #475 » by **colaroaster** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:40 pm

hayward cared about his shot as much as he cares about his hair then yeh he'd be throwing fire flames. j/k it should be mandatory for gordon to shoot a minimum of 5 three's per game

KumaJG · Post #476 » by **KumaJG** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:58 am

Gordon just get the feel of playing basketball again. It not like had the off season to prepare.

ddb · Post #477 » by **ddb** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:49 am

Is coming to grips in real time that Hayward won't be Hayward entirely until next season, if ever. I knew it would take time. I didn't know it would impact the team like it has. Literally, every player for 20 games seemed to want to keep Gordon involved. And it's not Gordon's fault. What a **** injury. And it's not like he came back to a lottery Pacers team like PG13...he came back to a deep, talented team with finals aspirations. And his coach was his college coach and they did special collegiate things together.
But this is the NBA. And after 20 games I think Brad and this team finally realize that Hayward will step up when he steps up. For now they need to roll with what makes them great. Hayward will chip in, but this is a Kyrie, Tatum team. Hayward and Horford will be there too but Marcus and Marcus are the balancing acts that need to start in order to keep things balanced. This team has talent at every angle ..Brad's biggest obstacle thus far has been figuring out how to piece it all together. Not everyone is going to be thrilled....but I think he figured it out with starting Marcus and Marcus. Those guys bring toughness. That first unit won't ever sleep now.
And their bench can be by far the best bench with Rozier, Brown, Hayward and Baynes.

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BillessuR6 · Post #478 » by **BillessuR6** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:48 am

Yeah, I liked the starting 5 yesterday. We need to keep it this way for now...

Also the second unit of Rozier, Brown, Hayward and Baynes is a nice mix...you have a playmaker in Gordon, who can also score, you have couple of defenders and Rozier can also play as a scorer and not a playmaker on that second unit...

OldCeltics · Post #479 » by **OldCeltics** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:39 pm

I loved Hayward signing but he is 1. Very out of shape. 2. Missing shots 3. Very passive.

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jfs1000d · Post #480 » by **jfs1000d** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:00 pm

OldCeltics wrote:I loved Hayward signing but he is 1. Very out of shape. 2. Missing shots 3. Very passive.

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He is starting to look a little better. Just a bit more explosiveness. I like him off the bench. THis is going to be a 2-year thing.

Watch him in March. He's going to be explosive.