The Josh "Nonstop" Okogie Thread: Obi-Wan Okogie Awakens

[KGdaBom]

I don't want to jinx him, but his shooting is looking just fine to me.

I don't mean to jinx you but you have a great Fantasy Hoops team.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr…….
How dare you do that to me?

[life_saver]

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[Calinks]

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See, Jimmy didn't hate his teammates. He just hated Minnesota and the organization.

[minimus]

Electric Boogaloo?

Wiggins is a complete joke of a player.

Okogie has stolen batteries from Wiggins.

Proof:

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[Domejandro]

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[mplsfonz23]

See, Jimmy didn't hate his teammates. He just hated Minnesota and the organization.

Yeah, but to tell a young player to "not listen to the coaches" is a sure way to get the rookie on the bench. Let the coach tell you when to shoot the ball. He calls the plays, and you go off script = bench.

That kind of advice is what makes him a locker room cancer.

[Tukkerwolf]

What a game! I know it was over already, but 3's, charges, dunk, steals.... Such an enjoyable player.

[Dewey]

See, Jimmy didn't hate his teammates. He just hated Minnesota and the organization.

Yeah, but to tell a young player to "not listen to the coaches" is a sure way to get the rookie on the bench. Let the coach tell you when to shoot the ball. He calls the plays, and you go off script = bench.

That kind of advice is what makes him a locker room cancer.

Sounds like LeBoy ... If Philly stumbles later in the season, maybe Butler will get the coach fired.

[Killboard]

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Is that Corey brewer goat? We should try that more often.

[AirP.]

Okogie PER36 as of now.
13.2 pts, 1.8 ast, 6 reb, 1.6 stls, .5 blks, 1.8 TO, 3.5 PF

Shooting
38% FG%, 31% 3pt%, 48% TS%

Ratings
ORTG 96, DRTG 111, up to -15 (before the last game he was -20).

[minimus]

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[minimus]

Okogie PER36 as of now.
13.2 pts, 1.8 ast, 6 reb, 1.6 stls, .5 blks, 1.8 TO, 3.5 PF

Shooting
38% FG%, 31% 3pt%, 48% TS%

Ratings
ORTG 96, DRTG 111, up to -15 (before the last game he was -20).

Last 11 games.

Excellent shooting 48% FG%, 43% 3pt% with same effort and hustle.

Still not good enough to get 10 minutes?

[Neeva]

Thib’s fanboys will support their blockhead till the bitter end.

Okogie PER36 as of now.
13.2 pts, 1.8 ast, 6 reb, 1.6 stls, .5 blks, 1.8 TO, 3.5 PF

Shooting
38% FG%, 31% 3pt%, 48% TS%

Ratings
ORTG 96, DRTG 111, up to -15 (before the last game he was -20).

Last 11 games.

Excellent shooting 48% FG%, 43% 3pt% with same effort and hustle.

Still not good enough to get 10 minutes?

[Worm Guts]

Okogie PER36 as of now.
13.2 pts, 1.8 ast, 6 reb, 1.6 stls, .5 blks, 1.8 TO, 3.5 PF

Shooting
38% FG%, 31% 3pt%, 48% TS%

Ratings
ORTG 96, DRTG 111, up to -15 (before the last game he was -20).

Last 11 games.

Excellent shooting 48% FG%, 43% 3pt% with same effort and hustle.

Still not good enough to get 10 minutes?

That has to be a super small sample size. I would like Okogie to play too, but this stuff gets exhausting. We know how you feel, but it's not going to change just because you want it to.

[DaMplsKid]

Electric Boogaloo?

Wiggins is a complete joke of a player.

Okogie has stolen batteries from Wiggins.

Proof:

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I know it's an old highlight but can a rookie get a foul call. This is one thing that drives me crazy in the NBA. If that was any superstar that got hit in the head it would be an and one all day.

Also loved that game last night. I just think Tyus/Rose plays better in a natural position without having to share the PG duties. So think Okogie energy needs to get time on the court.

Trade Teague today!!!

[AirP.]

Thib’s fanboys will support their blockhead till the bitter end.

Okogie PER36 as of now.
13.2 pts, 1.8 ast, 6 reb, 1.6 stls, .5 blks, 1.8 TO, 3.5 PF

Shooting
38% FG%, 31% 3pt%, 48% TS%

Ratings
ORTG 96, DRTG 111, up to -15 (before the last game he was -20).

Last 11 games.

Excellent shooting 48% FG%, 43% 3pt% with same effort and hustle.

Still not good enough to get 10 minutes?

Or it's because I believe in some of the same things as Thib(have you not figured that out yet, you can't believe his charm has won over people), like a few minutes here and there isn't going to do much, I believe in getting into the flow of the game. He needs a regular rotation spot in the 9 man rotation and to do that either an injury needs to happen or a trade.

His current PER36 now...
13.1 pts 2 asts, 5.6 reb
Shooting...
40% FG%, 30% 3PT% 49% TS%
Also
ORTG 98, DRTG 111

If Teague, Tyus, Wiggins or Rose were traded or injured I'd be fine handing a 20-30 minutes a night to Okogie, I think he's the future for this team, what I don't think is giving him 5-10 minutes here and there is good for development. He needs to get into the flow of the game and see what he he needs to do, not a short burst or minutes where he's going much faster in a smaller amount of time.

Here's what's really funny, Okogie is a Thib's player. I would expect he's doing what he feels is best for the organization, not tanking possible trade pieces. Look at last night's game with Sacramento, I bet Okogie gets more out of a scrimmage in practice then he did against 2nd and 3rd stringers that he played a lot of minutes against last night.

[minimus]

Thib’s fanboys will support their blockhead till the bitter end.

Last 11 games.

Excellent shooting 48% FG%, 43% 3pt% with same effort and hustle.

Still not good enough to get 10 minutes?

Or it's because I believe in some of the same things as Thib(have you not figured that out yet, you can't believe his charm has won over people), like a few minutes here and there isn't going to do much, I believe in getting into the flow of the game. He needs a regular rotation spot in the 9 man rotation and to do that either an injury needs to happen or a trade.

His current PER36 now...
13.1 pts 2 asts, 5.6 reb
Shooting...
40% FG%, 30% 3PT% 49% TS%
Also
ORTG 98, DRTG 111

If Teague, Tyus, Wiggins or Rose were traded or injured I'd be fine handing a 20-30 minutes a night to Okogie, I think he's the future for this team, what I don't think is giving him 5-10 minutes here and there is good for development. He needs to get into the flow of the game and see what he he needs to do, not a short burst or minutes where he's going much faster in a smaller amount of time.

Here's what's really funny, Okogie is a Thib's player. I would expect he's doing what he feels is best for the organization, not tanking possible trade pieces. Look at last night's game with Sacramento, I bet Okogie gets more out of a scrimmage in practice then he did against 2nd and 3rd stringers that he played a lot of minutes against last night.

Here is the thing that Thibs still dont want to accept. There is no term 'Thibs player' or at least there should not be. As coach he should give opportunity based on effort and progress. Otherwise you lose any confidence as player, any chemistry as team and any credibility as coach. As simple as that. It was clear with Rubio, Bjelica, now even clearer with Tyus and Okogie.

[AirP.]

Here is the thing that Thibs still dont want to accept. There is no term 'Thibs player' or at least there should not be. As coach he should give opportunity based on effort and progress. Otherwise you lose any confidence as player, any chemistry as team and any credibility as coach. As simple as that. It was clear with Rubio, Bjelica, now even clearer with Tyus and Okogie.

Just because you different opinion doesn't make you right. You like coaches who adapt to their talent which I understand, but I think you have to be a bigger market team to make winning sustainable(or end up peaking to be a ~.500 team) with that style. For the teams who can't consistently get the better players wanting to go to their team, I'd rather have a coach/gm who build a system and bring in players who fit into that system. Minnesota got their gem in Towns, Thibs brought in some key players to try to jumpstart his system with Gibson and Butler. He drafted a lesser version of Towns in Patton in hopes to keep an all around center on the court, he drafted Okogie to allow Minnesota to always have an effort defensive wing on the court(Butler with Okogie his long term backup or eventual starter).

Smaller markets have to have a better plan in place then just get the best players they can(which usually isn't enough to win at a high level) and then we'll figure it all out.

Later in the year/next year I hope Thibs makes some moves and Minnesota starts Rose, Okogie, Covington, Saric and Towns, with Tyus, Nunnally/KBD/acquired defensive wing, Tolliver and Gibson being the backups. With Butler being moved, I'd have to think Teague(possibly Bayless) may be the next one moved, but I think they(Thibs, Taylor, Layden) have to do some research(Thibs, Layden) then get together and talk about the present team and the direction they want to take in the future(which also takes salaries in consideration). It's not something you should do quick prep for, the trade of Butler really changed a lot for this team's future direction that really needs to be addressed.

[minimus]

Here is the thing that Thibs still dont want to accept. There is no term 'Thibs player' or at least there should not be. As coach he should give opportunity based on effort and progress. Otherwise you lose any confidence as player, any chemistry as team and any credibility as coach. As simple as that. It was clear with Rubio, Bjelica, now even clearer with Tyus and Okogie.

Just because you different opinion doesn't make you right. You like coaches who adapt to their talent which I understand, but I think you have to be a bigger market team to make winning sustainable with that style. For the teams who can't consistently get the better players wanting to go to their team, I'd rather have a coach/gm who build a system and bring in players who fit into that system. Minnesota got their gem in Towns, Thibs brought in some key players to try to jumpstart his system with Gibson and Butler. He drafted a lesser version of Towns in Patton in hopes to keep an all around center on the court, he drafted Okogie to allow Minnesota to always have an effort defensive wing on the court(Butler with Okogie his long term backup or eventual starter).

Smaller markets have to have a better plan in place then just get the best players they can(which usually isn't enough to win at a high level) and then we'll figure it all out.

First, it is not my opinion. Even Pop has been able to change his system around his key players. Second, Thibs failed hard as GM because he overpaid Dieng, Wiggins, Teague, Gibson. And surprise, surprise: all of them are bad fit in modern NBA. He lost Bjelica for nothing. He paid AT but he does not use him. Finally, Butler drama was massive failure, that shows us that there is no 'Thibs player, no Thibs system' term.

[AirP.]

First, it is not my opinion. Even Pop has been able to change his system around his key players. Second, Thibs failed hard as GM because he overpaid Dieng, Wiggins, Teague, Gibson. And surprise, surprise: all of them are bad fit in modern NBA. He lost Bjelica for nothing. He paid AT but he does not use him. Finally, Butler drama was massive failure, that shows us that there is no 'Thibs player, no Thibs system' term.

Pop also had future HOF quality players taking huge paycuts to stay with the team and with that, changed his style to accommodate them.

I didn't hear about many teams trying to acquire Bjelica and even though he milked his injury last year(reporters even mentioned him taking extra time for his future free agency) the Timberwolves hoped to retain him at a team friendly price. What do you think you could have gotten from Bjelcia, a 2nd round pick from a good team?

The Dieng signing at the time was said to be a good signing my the Minnesota reporters. What none of us expected was that Dieng wouldn't continue to get somewhat better, he stayed the same and the league passed him by.

Wiggins was overpaid by Glen Taylor, you may remember Minnesota reporters saying Taylor took Wiggins off the trade table for Butler and then Taylor went to the press to say I have a max contract for you to sign and once again, Thibs did not utilize Wiggins like someone who thought he was worth a max contract. He tried to turn him into a 3pt shooter to create spacing for the team, that's not the actions of someone who thought he was worth a max contract. Even with Thibs gone, Taylor will remain with his bad roster /payroll decisions.

The Butler situation... A team trying to retain an All-NBA player and we still don't know why he wanted to leave yet we know he still calls Thibs his guy so obviously it was something else, either Taylor not wanting to pay him or more then likely a power struggle within the organization. I would hope for Minnesota's sake that if the same situation happens with Towns in a few years the FO does the same thing to try to retain him.