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Re: Future of PG position (in MIN) 

Post#21 » by wolfen » Sat Dec 1, 2018 3:44 am

Jedzz wrote:I have a hard time getting concerned about paying Tyus early when he doesn't demand it by shooting like a pro. Especially when they need a basket down in score and he clanks them at that time more than ever. Pressure messes with his shot so far. If he was clutch shooting it would be different to me. I like the rest of his game. I ride it rfa if it was my choice.

I plan to pay Rose something to beg him to stay. This isn't half the team without what he's been offering every game. If he's gone at some point Timberwolves will need a replacement of that level of player and will never get it for what he's playing for right now. Go ahead and spend on Tyus and then live or die by his shooting growth or failure to.


Ya this is where I'm at as well. Tyus is solid but it would be nice if he was a knockdown (and clutch) shooter on top of that. His lack of size and athleticism contributes to being able to be somewhat shut down on the offensive end of the floor when things ratchet up in intensity. I also agree on Rose, he's only going to get better the healthier he gets.

I'd like to add another PG prospect to this discussion - D'Mitrik Trice of Wisconsin. Strong, smart, athletic, plays bigger than his 6 foot size. Can get into the lane and score or pass, and is shooting a ridiculous 60% on 3's this year shooting almost 6 a game, and many of them are highly contested. When he's open he'll take a basic looking 3, but he can also elevate off the dribble from deep as well. Really love his game. No idea if he'll come out for the draft this summer but if he does, if he keeps this up he'll be a late first rounder, right in our range. Is he starter material? He's solidly built, wide shoulders, strong upper body, but he's 6 feet (200 lbs). Rumor has it that he has a pretty long wingspan, so there's that. If not a starter, kind of looks like a more athletic and better shooting Tyus. He's on my watch list of PG's to keep track of this college bball season.
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Re: Future of PG position (in MIN) 

Post#22 » by life_saver » Sat Dec 1, 2018 4:52 am

Not sure whether this dude is reliable or not but saw this on twitter -
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Re: Future of PG position (in MIN) 

Post#23 » by life_saver » Sat Dec 1, 2018 4:59 am

I haven't seen Ntilikina play much but from what I read about him, he seems to be pretty good defensively but not so good & also extremely raw offensively
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Re: Future of PG position (in MIN) 

Post#24 » by minimus » Sat Dec 1, 2018 8:14 am

The only problem with Tyus is that once he hits 38-40% from 3pt line, his market value will skyrocket. It is kind of blessing in disguise that he so inconsistent as shooter now. I have little doubt that with more minutes and playing within same offensive system, and same bench unit he will improve shooting.
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Re: Future of PG position (in MIN) 

Post#25 » by minimus » Sat Dec 1, 2018 8:17 am

upriser7 wrote:I haven't seen Ntilikina play much but from what I read about him, he seems to be pretty good defensively but not so good & also extremely raw offensively
I like him as prospect if we trade Gibson for C.Lee and Ntilikina, but he is nowhere near our PGs as ballhandler and decision maker.
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Post#26 » by Jedzz » Sat Dec 1, 2018 3:12 pm

Not a fan of Ntilikina's game so far. Bad to rough shooter so far. For every 15 mins he will give you what? 2pts and 2 assists if lucky? What am I missing that others see? hope? Maybe their are more confident shooters in the d league that should get more NBA time.
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Re: Future of PG position (in MIN) 

Post#27 » by wolfen » Tue Dec 4, 2018 9:15 pm

Another college frosh to keep an eye on this season that would be an option if he comes out: Devon Dotson, PG, Kansas

http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/devon-dotson.html

He's got defensive chops: https://247sports.com/college/kansas/Article/Devon-Dotson-shuts-down-Markus-Howard-in-KU-basketball-win-over-Marquette-125110728/

He puts pressure on the defense with his speed and athleticism: https://247sports.com/college/kansas/Article/KU-basketball-coach-Bill-Self-excited-by-Devon-Dotsons-potential-125597762/

How much easier would the game be for the squad if we had a dynamo PG who could consistently break down the defense and push the pace? We've seen what a difference it makes when Teague plays aggressively, we could benefit from that type of player who has that mentality most if not all of the time. I'll be watching Mr. Dotson...

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Post#28 » by wolves_89 » Tue Dec 4, 2018 11:05 pm

My ideal case for next season would be to trade Teague (or he opts out) and bring back Rose/Jones to fill the role. I'm guessing $19M would sign both Rose/Jones and would still leave enough for a decent 3rd string PG (to insure against a Rose injury).

I would be calling the Suns to see if we could move Teague for Ariza+Melton after December 15.
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Post#29 » by Neal25 » Wed Dec 5, 2018 5:19 pm

wolves_89 wrote:My ideal case for next season would be to trade Teague (or he opts out) and bring back Rose/Jones to fill the role. I'm guessing $19M would sign both Rose/Jones and would still leave enough for a decent 3rd string PG (to insure against a Rose injury).

I would be calling the Suns to see if we could move Teague for Ariza+Melton after December 15.


Tyus Jones as false starter and Rose coming off from the bench. I wish that scenario.
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Post#30 » by life_saver » Wed Dec 5, 2018 5:40 pm

I hope Suns are in desperate situation for a PG and try to trade for Teague
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Post#31 » by minimus » Wed Dec 5, 2018 5:54 pm

Neal25 wrote:
wolves_89 wrote:My ideal case for next season would be to trade Teague (or he opts out) and bring back Rose/Jones to fill the role. I'm guessing $19M would sign both Rose/Jones and would still leave enough for a decent 3rd string PG (to insure against a Rose injury).

I would be calling the Suns to see if we could move Teague for Ariza+Melton after December 15.


Tyus Jones as false starter and Rose coming off from the bench. I wish that scenario.
My ideal case is Teague opts out, resigns here for 36mil/3yrs, Rose back for vetmin, Tyus resigns for 28mil/4yrs.
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Post#32 » by 2Chainz » Wed Dec 5, 2018 7:53 pm

minimus wrote:
Neal25 wrote:
wolves_89 wrote:My ideal case for next season would be to trade Teague (or he opts out) and bring back Rose/Jones to fill the role. I'm guessing $19M would sign both Rose/Jones and would still leave enough for a decent 3rd string PG (to insure against a Rose injury).

I would be calling the Suns to see if we could move Teague for Ariza+Melton after December 15.


Tyus Jones as false starter and Rose coming off from the bench. I wish that scenario.
My ideal case is Teague opts out, resigns here for 36mil/3yrs, Rose back for vetmin, Tyus resigns for 28mil/4yrs.


Yea I doubt Rose signs up for that scenario. Teague getting 12 million, Tyus 7 and him 2 and he's the best player out the group and has to play out of position.
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Re: Future of PG position (in MIN) 

Post#33 » by wolfen » Wed Dec 5, 2018 11:48 pm

minimus wrote:
Neal25 wrote:
wolves_89 wrote:My ideal case for next season would be to trade Teague (or he opts out) and bring back Rose/Jones to fill the role. I'm guessing $19M would sign both Rose/Jones and would still leave enough for a decent 3rd string PG (to insure against a Rose injury).

I would be calling the Suns to see if we could move Teague for Ariza+Melton after December 15.


Tyus Jones as false starter and Rose coming off from the bench. I wish that scenario.
My ideal case is Teague opts out, resigns here for 36mil/3yrs, Rose back for vetmin, Tyus resigns for 28mil/4yrs.


Here's the thing for me. Of the 3 we currently have, I like what Rose offers most, but I'd like it even more if he played PG off the bench and not the 2 guard. You would think that by next year, Okogie would HAVE to be the primary 2 guard off the bench. I'm not the biggest Tyus fan, but I'm also not a fan of Teague being our starter in the long term either, hence my conundrum. I kind of think Tyus will see the writing on the wall over the summer and will want to bolt. Also, realistically, Teague will come back 1 more year, and Rose will be back as well. That leaves us with an opening to either draft or trade for a young PG to groom. You would think a pick of a PG around 20, after 1 year of grooming, would be at least good enough to be a primary backup PG, but you never know, he could develop into a legit starter. This is why I'm really focusing on PG's who:
1. Will probably come out into the draft this summer.
2. Will be available at our pick, somewhere between 20 and 30.
PG's available starting in that range: Tre Jones, Jaylen Hands, Devon Dotson, Kerwin Roach, Ty Jerome, Carson Edwards, Shamorie Ponds, Ky Bowman, D'Mitrik Trice, and maybe a few others. As the season goes on, opinions on any/all are welcome...
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Re: Future of PG position (in MIN) 

Post#34 » by wesleyt95 » Thu Dec 6, 2018 12:25 am

Neal25 wrote:
wolves_89 wrote:My ideal case for next season would be to trade Teague (or he opts out) and bring back Rose/Jones to fill the role. I'm guessing $19M would sign both Rose/Jones and would still leave enough for a decent 3rd string PG (to insure against a Rose injury).

I would be calling the Suns to see if we could move Teague for Ariza+Melton after December 15.


Tyus Jones as false starter and Rose coming off from the bench. I wish that scenario.


Ppl act like Rose can't be fully unleashed, the man is a starter
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Re: Future of PG position (in MIN) 

Post#35 » by King Malta » Thu Dec 6, 2018 4:29 am

wesleyt95 wrote:
Neal25 wrote:
wolves_89 wrote:My ideal case for next season would be to trade Teague (or he opts out) and bring back Rose/Jones to fill the role. I'm guessing $19M would sign both Rose/Jones and would still leave enough for a decent 3rd string PG (to insure against a Rose injury).

I would be calling the Suns to see if we could move Teague for Ariza+Melton after December 15.


Tyus Jones as false starter and Rose coming off from the bench. I wish that scenario.


Ppl act like Rose can't be fully unleashed, the man is a starter


He's playing really well in his current role and the team is winning.

I honestly don't see what the fuss is about starting him or not tbh. If he's meshing well with the second unit, then why change that up for the sake of appearances?
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Re: Future of PG position (in MIN) 

Post#36 » by wesleyt95 » Thu Dec 6, 2018 7:02 am

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Tyus Jones as false starter and Rose coming off from the bench. I wish that scenario.


Ppl act like Rose can't be fully unleashed, the man is a starter


He's playing really well in his current role and the team is winning.

I honestly don't see what the fuss is about starting him or not tbh. If he's meshing well with the second unit, then why change that up for the sake of appearances?


So he can walk in FA once someone offers him a starting role? Tyus isn't a starter in the NBA idk why ppl try to force it...
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Post#37 » by King Malta » Thu Dec 6, 2018 7:22 am

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King Malta wrote:
wesleyt95 wrote:
Ppl act like Rose can't be fully unleashed, the man is a starter


He's playing really well in his current role and the team is winning.

I honestly don't see what the fuss is about starting him or not tbh. If he's meshing well with the second unit, then why change that up for the sake of appearances?


So he can walk in FA once someone offers him a starting role? Tyus isn't a starter in the NBA idk why ppl try to force it...


I wouldn't be concerned about Rose leaving for a 'starting' role at all. The guy is having the best season of his career since his knees started to fall apart, he's spent most of that time as a maligned NBA player and is now finally getting some respect back. Not only that but he finally seems to feel comfortable in an environment again, as long as Thibs is here next year, Rose will be too IMO.

As far as Tyus, I don't personally want him starting. I just don't understand why some people seem to have an issue with Rose coming off the bench, it's working brilliantly.
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Post#38 » by Dewey » Thu Dec 6, 2018 3:19 pm

wesleyt95 wrote:
Neal25 wrote:
wolves_89 wrote:My ideal case for next season would be to trade Teague (or he opts out) and bring back Rose/Jones to fill the role. I'm guessing $19M would sign both Rose/Jones and would still leave enough for a decent 3rd string PG (to insure against a Rose injury).

I would be calling the Suns to see if we could move Teague for Ariza+Melton after December 15.


Tyus Jones as false starter and Rose coming off from the bench. I wish that scenario.


Ppl act like Rose can't be fully unleashed, the man is a starter

IDK - I think Rose likes that Thibs gives him the greenlight on the second unit ... getting good minutes now and seems happy. Who knows, if he finishes out with a solid season he may be the guy next year.
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Re: Future of PG position (in MIN) 

Post#39 » by Killboard » Fri Dec 7, 2018 12:28 pm

Domejandro wrote:We aren't going to be in position to draft Ja Morant, I don't see that happening in any reasonable scenario.


I think there is no chance after 12th, but how the west is played out this season it could be not much difference between the 8th and the 14th. I dont think is likely but lets see how it ends.

Darius Garland stock should be falling for his injury and should be a prospect to scout in off the court aspects (professionalism, drive, etc). He has a different skillset but could be valuable. Im not confident in Thibs picking him as he neither picked Anunoby when he missed the season, despite to have been mocked in the top 10 previous to that and play a position of need. He picked Patton though, who wasnt injured but already had foot problems his red shirt season at Creighton.
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Post#40 » by Killboard » Fri Dec 7, 2018 12:47 pm

Dewey wrote:
wesleyt95 wrote:
Neal25 wrote:
Tyus Jones as false starter and Rose coming off from the bench. I wish that scenario.


Ppl act like Rose can't be fully unleashed, the man is a starter

IDK - I think Rose likes that Thibs gives him the greenlight on the second unit ... getting good minutes now and seems happy. Who knows, if he finishes out with a solid season he may be the guy next year.


Even if the returns and Teague opts out, I would still doing my best to pick a PG. Rose cant be relied upon health wise and is on the wrong side for 30's. As mentioned rookie PG's take time to develop/evaluate more than any other position and should be picked before to have the need to play them.

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