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Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc

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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#481 » by Knightro » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:58 pm

MagicMatic wrote: :giveup:


Don't think so? Perfectly fine if you don't. If it's not enough for all three, 45M would still give the Magic a better opportunity to keep one of Vuc/Ross and still be aggressive in pursing a starting guard.

My personal opinion is that Ross doesn't get 15M per year in Year 1.

Vucevic is playing his ass off, but I'm infinitely curious if he'll end up having a limited market because of the general lack of interest in big men who aren't great defenders.

Russell is the tricky one because he's has the restricted free agency hurdle to cross. Even still, if the Nets aggressively go after other players and end up burning up a big chunk of their cap space, they might not be inclined to match an offer to Russell (plus his cap hold is huge, so if they are legitimate in the mix for a big name they could opt to move on)
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#482 » by MagicFan101 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:02 pm

MagicMatic wrote:what the **** is the point of adding Lin? 30 year old backup at this point. He’s on an expiring contract, so whatever. That’s the positive I guess. Playoff push and then don’t resign the players that help you get there. Smart.


Clearing the $5.6M owed to Simmons next year might be helpful.

Maybe the idea is to show what we can do with a half upgraded PG rotation to entice one of the free agents this summer to come lead BIG?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#483 » by Knightro » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:08 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:Clearing the $5.6M owed to Simmons next year might be helpful.

Maybe the idea is to show what we can do with a half upgraded PG rotation to entice one of the free agents this summer to come lead BIG?


Simmons is only guaranteed 1M of that 5.6M, so chopping him off isn't a huge deal IMO.

Dumping Mozgov or Fournier would be the real booms for 2019 cap space.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#484 » by VFX » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:18 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:what the **** is the point of adding Lin? 30 year old backup at this point. He’s on an expiring contract, so whatever. That’s the positive I guess. Playoff push and then don’t resign the players that help you get there. Smart.


Clearing the $5.6M owed to Simmons next year might be helpful.

Maybe the idea is to show what we can do with a half upgraded PG rotation to entice one of the free agents this summer to come lead BIG?


Extremely doubtful anything about this roster “entices” a high profile free agent other than a massive overpay. I get what you are saying though.
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Post#485 » by Mrrags009 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:18 pm

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MagicMatic wrote:what the **** is the point of adding Lin? 30 year old backup at this point. He’s on an expiring contract, so whatever. That’s the positive I guess.


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We all know this team won't tank ,so yea, playoffs or 12-14 pick that doesn't have much value anyway, especially because they will again draft another octopus with no jumpshot
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Post#486 » by yoyojw17 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:37 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:what the **** is the point of adding Lin? 30 year old backup at this point. He’s on an expiring contract, so whatever. That’s the positive I guess. Playoff push and then don’t resign the players that help you get there. Smart.


Clearing the $5.6M owed to Simmons next year might be helpful.

Maybe the idea is to show what we can do with a half upgraded PG rotation to entice one of the free agents this summer to come lead BIG?


Extremely doubtful anything about this roster “entices” a high profile free agent other than a massive overpay. I get what you are saying though.

A point guard that realizes that the biggest whole in the team is the PG position and that their presence alone will change the trajectory of this team dramatically. And if you don't believe that we're that close to being a legit team on the rise... perfectly fine and i guess that stands with your comment.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#487 » by MagicFan101 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:56 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:what the **** is the point of adding Lin? 30 year old backup at this point. He’s on an expiring contract, so whatever. That’s the positive I guess. Playoff push and then don’t resign the players that help you get there. Smart.


Clearing the $5.6M owed to Simmons next year might be helpful.

Maybe the idea is to show what we can do with a half upgraded PG rotation to entice one of the free agents this summer to come lead BIG?


Extremely doubtful anything about this roster “entices” a high profile free agent other than a massive overpay. I get what you are saying though.


I’m just trying to think positively.
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Post#488 » by dsg2021 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:31 pm

Mrrags009 wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:what the **** is the point of adding Lin? 30 year old backup at this point. He’s on an expiring contract, so whatever. That’s the positive I guess.


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Very true, and there's been many big-time draft steals that came from that range every single year too.
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Post#489 » by X_O_Z » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:53 pm

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Rumours: The @OrlandoMagic are reportedly in negotiations to acquire @ATLHawks G Jeremy Lin (per league sources & @thepelicanswave) ・・・ On the season, Lin is averaging 10.6 PTS and 3.1 AST in just 18.2 MPG. He is set to make over $12M this season alone, and will be a UFA next offseason. ・・・ Now, there haven’t been any confirmed proposals for the 9-year veteran point guard, however the source that informed me about this deal has a record of correctly reported rumours. ・・・ Thoughts? Would Lin be the perfect solution for our struggles at the PG position? ・・・ #PureMagic
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Post#490 » by OrlandO » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:09 am

mozgov and two seconds for lin... get it done
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Post#491 » by NavalAviator94 » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:17 am

OrlandO wrote:mozgov and two seconds for lin... get it done


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Post#492 » by The Effect » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:44 am

Knightro wrote:
The Effect wrote:
Knightro wrote:Mozgov and the OKC pick for Lin.

Helps the Magic right now by getting an upgrade at backup PG over Grant. Lin also has experience playing under Clifford.

Beyond that...

It also gets the Magic out from Mozgov's money without having to stretch him. That would be really helpful for this summer's free agency pursuits.

Would make the possibility of keeping Vucevic/Ross while having enough money for someone like Russell a lot more realistic.

No one is taking moz contract without us either taking on an equally bad contract or we include a sweetener (1st rounder or good young player)


I literally suggested a first round pick to Atlanta in my suggestion.

Thats a bogus 1st rounder (top 20 protected, more likely to become 2 2nd rounders), i meant a lotto 1st rounder or better

Dont forget the lakers had to package Dlo with moz just to get rid of moz contract, and he was a 20 year old, former #2 overall pick and had played better than Lonzo Ball has played so far in 1.5seasons. Thats the kind pick or player i think will need to be attached to moz to become tradable
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Post#493 » by OrlandO » Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:03 am

The Effect wrote:
Knightro wrote:
The Effect wrote:No one is taking moz contract without us either taking on an equally bad contract or we include a sweetener (1st rounder or good young player)


I literally suggested a first round pick to Atlanta in my suggestion.

Thats a bogus 1st rounder (top 20 protected, more likely to become 2 2nd rounders), i meant a lotto 1st rounder or better

Dont forget the lakers had to package Dlo with moz just to get rid of moz contract, and he was a 20 year old, former #2 overall pick and had played better than Lonzo Ball has played so far in 1.5seasons. Thats the kind pick or player i think will need to be attached to moz to become tradable

OKC has two superstars and their other key players locked up and they're winning... that first rounder is likely to be exactly that next season unless there's a big injury. I would treat it like a late 1st, not two 2nds.

The Lakers-Nets trade was Mozgov and Russell for Brook Lopez and the 27th pick who turned into Kuzma. Mozgov had 3 full seasons left at that point, too. This past summer he was traded with 2 seconds for an expiring Dwight who was immediately bought out.
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Post#494 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:14 am

The Effect wrote:
Knightro wrote:
The Effect wrote:No one is taking moz contract without us either taking on an equally bad contract or we include a sweetener (1st rounder or good young player)


I literally suggested a first round pick to Atlanta in my suggestion.

Thats a bogus 1st rounder (top 20 protected, more likely to become 2 2nd rounders), i meant a lotto 1st rounder or better

Dont forget the lakers had to package Dlo with moz just to get rid of moz contract, and he was a 20 year old, former #2 overall pick and had played better than Lonzo Ball has played so far in 1.5seasons. Thats the kind pick or player i think will need to be attached to moz to become tradable


I don't get this at all. How is a pick that is about a 95% chance to convey a bogus first round pick and "more likely (2) 2nd rounders"?

OKC currently holds the #24 pick and is LITERALLY a game and a half from the 2nd best record in the league. How in the world is this pick not going to convey?

So you know Denver traded 21m (5m more than Mosgov) in dead weight salary and it only cost them a protected FRP (which currently is #29) and a future SRP so moving Mozzys contract with solely the OKC pick is not as far-fetched as you think bud.

Oh and Cleveland just ate over 40m in negative salary/contracts for a protected FRP :lol:

First round picks are a lot more valuable then you think my man and history shows that.
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Post#495 » by Trillen » Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:25 am

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
The Effect wrote:
Knightro wrote:
I literally suggested a first round pick to Atlanta in my suggestion.

Thats a bogus 1st rounder (top 20 protected, more likely to become 2 2nd rounders), i meant a lotto 1st rounder or better

Dont forget the lakers had to package Dlo with moz just to get rid of moz contract, and he was a 20 year old, former #2 overall pick and had played better than Lonzo Ball has played so far in 1.5seasons. Thats the kind pick or player i think will need to be attached to moz to become tradable


I don't get this at all. How is a pick that is about a 95% chance to convey a bogus first round pick and "more likely (2) 2nd rounders"?

OKC currently holds the #24 pick and is LITERALLY a game and a half from the 2nd best record in the league. How in the world is this pick not going to convey?

So you know Denver traded 21m (5m more than Mosgov) in dead weight salary and it only cost them a protected FRP (which currently is #29) and a future SRP so moving Mozzys contract with solely the OKC pick is not as far-fetched as you think bud.

Oh and Cleveland just ate over 40m in negative salary/contracts for a protected FRP :lol:

First round picks are a lot more valuable then you think my man and history shows that.

Not trying to say it doesn't have a good chance to convey, but I just want it to be clear that the OKC first is a 2020 pick, and not one that matters in regards to this years standings.
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Post#496 » by tiderulz » Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:42 am

Read on Twitter

Wonder if WeHam bring him in for a look
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Post#497 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:10 am

tiderulz wrote:
Read on Twitter

Wonder if WeHam bring him in for a look


Could see it. Hometown kid that can get meaningful minutes that could help him him get his next contract.

He can’t be worse than Jerian Grant and could even see him taking some of Simmons minutes.
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Post#498 » by woosah » Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:28 am

thepelicanswave? Oh yeah, that's where i get all my magic news. Jeff and John both have them on the speed dial i bet. :lol:
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Post#499 » by SOUL » Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:40 am

woosah wrote:thepelicanswave? Oh yeah, that's where i get all my magic news. Jeff and John both have them on the speed dial i bet. :lol:


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Post#500 » by Blue_and_Whte » Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:40 am

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
Read on Twitter

Wonder if WeHam bring him in for a look


Could see it. Hometown kid that can get meaningful minutes that could help him him get his next contract.

He can’t be worse than Jerian Grant and could even see him taking some of Simmons minutes.
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