Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc

[BadMofoPimp]

I would be willing to trade Bamba for DSJ. Isaac looks like he can be a great 6th man defensive leader or solid starter. Bamba so far doesn't have the same drive that AG or Slim has. I just don't see him wanting to be dominate.

[Driguez]

A little OT, but got a 5 game ticket plan for Christmas, and the person was like, you don't seem excited? I'm not. I'm really not. Hopefully changes are made by the time the last 2 games of the pack are played.

[JF5]

People are really sleeping on Issac here... Not saying he'll be a star but he's really damn talented.

[magicman112]

People are really sleeping on Issac here... Not saying he'll be a star but he's really damn talented.

Yes like the other young guys he just doesn't get the ball passed to him enough to show what he can do with the Eurotwin Powers out there.

[woosah]

If we lose to Phoenix tonight, the trade everybody threads will double. I hope Filip let Vooch sleep last night lol.

[Skin]

If we lose to Phoenix tonight, the trade everybody threads will double. I hope Filip let Vooch sleep last night lol.

I would love to lose every game the rest of the year.

This front office is too incompetent to facilitate a winning trade.

[woosah]

If we lose to Phoenix tonight, the trade everybody threads will double. I hope Filip let Vooch sleep last night lol.

I would love to lose every game the rest of the year.

This front office is too incompetent to facilitate a winning trade.

LOL, now that is a tank. Who do you want in the draft? They may just take Bol Bol number 1 you know.

i kid. (i hope they wouldn't)

[Skin]

If we lose to Phoenix tonight, the trade everybody threads will double. I hope Filip let Vooch sleep last night lol.

I would love to lose every game the rest of the year.

This front office is too incompetent to facilitate a winning trade.

LOL, now that is a tank. Who do you want in the draft? They may just take Bol Bol number 1 you know.

i kid. (i hope they wouldn't)

They would. I'm not even joking. They would make Bamba a stretch 4 and play Isaac at the 3. Gordon becomes the next pawn in a Tobias like trade.

[rcklsscognition]

I hate JI's shot mechanics and never wanted to pick him but he's grown on me a bit. The only reason is he has a very legit handle getting to the rim, I just wish he would use it. The few times he's driven to the hoop for a layup have most all been really artistic, graceful takes.

[JF5]

People are really sleeping on Issac here... Not saying he'll be a star but he's really damn talented.

Yes like the other young guys he just doesn't get the ball passed to him enough to show what he can do with the Eurotwin Powers out there.

I won't go that far for myself as he's probably still a few years away offensively. But he's going to be a great defensive player and has the tools offensively to be similar to a Rasheed Wallace/Rashard Lewis level offensive player but with better ball-handling skills. I just believe he'l be very valuable regardless how he turns out.

I'm just having a hard time with this board because if a guy like Issac who is super raw/young doesn't show his potential in is first year they're considered bust. The thing is when you're drafting all these guys who are Super young they typically are very raw/unseasoned this is what typically occurs. Issac and Bamba are projects... Even WeHam have acknowledged this when they've spoken about them.

But with the franchise resetting and the fans having short fuses (and rightfully so) they can't see a bigger picture even though that's what they've been marketed to them for the last 2 seasons. The team is playing hard and is competing on most nights. Achieving this while playing their most cohesive ball in years as the players are playing to their optimal strengths and not deviating from the system. The young guys are learning how to play the RIGHT way rather than just tossing them out there and putting them in situations which could hurt their development if they had a selfish mindset compared to a team-oriented one which hurt the youth in the previous administration.

There is foundation of structure and this team finally has a direction (IMO) but I feel that most people are just too blinded by rage to see it (either with the lack of tanking, lack of winning, former players finding success in organizations, or the youth or their favorite players not getting the ball as often). To me we've all got to relax at this point...

[basketballRob]

People are really sleeping on Issac here... Not saying he'll be a star but he's really damn talented.

Yes like the other young guys he just doesn't get the ball passed to him enough to show what he can do with the Eurotwin Powers out there.

The ball doesn't get passed to him and he doesn't have plays called for him. This means no picks set for him where he can get a smaller defender, no giving him the ball where he likes it. They should go to him at least twice in the first half of each game to see if he can take his defender off the dribble and create a shot. I think his best spot is around the top of the key. I really think he could be that guy that gets double teamed and draws fouls. Clifford's offense is so predictable.

[pepe1991]

People are really sleeping on Issac here... Not saying he'll be a star but he's really damn talented.

Yes like the other young guys he just doesn't get the ball passed to him enough to show what he can do with the Eurotwin Powers out there.

The ball doesn't get passed to him and he doesn't have plays called for him. This means no picks set for him where he can get a smaller defender, no giving him the ball where he likes it. They should go to him at least twice in the first half of each game to see if he can take his defender off the dribble and create a shot. I think his best spot is around the top of the key. I really think he could be that guy that gets double teamed and draws fouls. Clifford's offense is so predictable.

Nobody will draw plays for player who can't pass,shoot, dribble, set screens, roll from pick&roll or postup.

It's like drawing plays for Biyombo. it's worthless

[tiderulz]

People are really sleeping on Issac here... Not saying he'll be a star but he's really damn talented.

Yes like the other young guys he just doesn't get the ball passed to him enough to show what he can do with the Eurotwin Powers out there.

I won't go that far for myself as he's probably still a few years away offensively. But he's going to be a great defensive player and has the tools offensively to be similar to a Rasheed Wallace/Rashard Lewis level offensive player but with better ball-handling skills. I just believe he'l be very valuable regardless how he turns out.

I'm just having a hard time with this board because if a guy like Issac who is super raw/young doesn't show his potential in is first year they're considered bust. The thing is when you're drafting all these guys who are Super young they typically are very raw/unseasoned this is what typically occurs. Issac and Bamba are projects... Even WeHam have acknowledged this when they've spoken about them.

But with the franchise resetting and the fans having short fuses (and rightfully so) they can't see a bigger picture even though that's what they've been marketed to them for the last 2 seasons. The team is playing hard and is competing on most nights. Achieving this while playing their most cohesive ball in years as the players are playing to their optimal strengths and not deviating from the system. The young guys are learning how to play the RIGHT way rather than just tossing them out there and putting them in situations which could hurt their development if they had a selfish mindset compared to a team-oriented one which hurt the youth in the previous administration.

There is foundation of structure and this team finally has a direction (IMO) but I feel that most people are just too blinded by rage to see it (either with the lack of tanking, lack of winning, former players finding success in organizations, or the youth or their favorite players not getting the ball as often). To me we've all got to relax at this point...

the question is, how long does it take to achieve that "potential"? AG is still talked about his potential vs what he should be bringing right now. I dont see Isaac as a special player. Looks like a defensive role player to me. Taller Bruce Bowen who still lacks an outside shot. And Lewis had decent, underrated ball skills. People seem to forget he was playing SF putting up 20+ ppg, 5 rpg for years before coming to ORlando and being moved to PF to make room for Hedo.

[basketballRob]

Yes like the other young guys he just doesn't get the ball passed to him enough to show what he can do with the Eurotwin Powers out there.

I won't go that far for myself as he's probably still a few years away offensively. But he's going to be a great defensive player and has the tools offensively to be similar to a Rasheed Wallace/Rashard Lewis level offensive player but with better ball-handling skills. I just believe he'l be very valuable regardless how he turns out.

I'm just having a hard time with this board because if a guy like Issac who is super raw/young doesn't show his potential in is first year they're considered bust. The thing is when you're drafting all these guys who are Super young they typically are very raw/unseasoned this is what typically occurs. Issac and Bamba are projects... Even WeHam have acknowledged this when they've spoken about them.

But with the franchise resetting and the fans having short fuses (and rightfully so) they can't see a bigger picture even though that's what they've been marketed to them for the last 2 seasons. The team is playing hard and is competing on most nights. Achieving this while playing their most cohesive ball in years as the players are playing to their optimal strengths and not deviating from the system. The young guys are learning how to play the RIGHT way rather than just tossing them out there and putting them in situations which could hurt their development if they had a selfish mindset compared to a team-oriented one which hurt the youth in the previous administration.

There is foundation of structure and this team finally has a direction (IMO) but I feel that most people are just too blinded by rage to see it (either with the lack of tanking, lack of winning, former players finding success in organizations, or the youth or their favorite players not getting the ball as often). To me we've all got to relax at this point...

the question is, how long does it take to achieve that "potential"? AG is still talked about his potential vs what he should be bringing right now. I dont see Isaac as a special player. Looks like a defensive role player to me. Taller Bruce Bowen who still lacks an outside shot. And Lewis had decent, underrated ball skills. People seem to forget he was playing SF putting up 20+ ppg, 5 rpg for years before coming to ORlando and being moved to PF to make room for Hedo.

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[pepe1991]

Lewis at 21:
15 ppg
7 rpg
48% FG
43% for 3

I guess people just forgot how good he was.
Not to mention that he was second best player on team that was fighting for playoffs in 3rd season, being 21.

Can anybody imagine Isaac being 15 ppg scorer on playoff team today without thinking about 2K editors?

[MoMM]

Lewis at 21:
15 ppg
7 rpg
48% FG
43% for 3

I guess people just forgot how good he was.
Not to mention that he was second best player on team that was fighting for playoffs in 3rd season, being 21.

Can anybody imagine Isaac being 15 ppg scorer on playoff team today without thinking about 2K editors?

Although Gabe was bidding against himself to sign Lewis, Rashard was a great player and sacrificed his health to play at 4 for us and even so he succeed.

[woosah]

Yeah i don't see the Rashard comparison. We will need some dynamic scoring to cover JI if we go all in on his defensive potential.

[NavalAviator94]

Lewis at 21:
15 ppg
7 rpg
48% FG
43% for 3

I guess people just forgot how good he was.
Not to mention that he was second best player on team that was fighting for playoffs in 3rd season, being 21.

Can anybody imagine Isaac being 15 ppg scorer on playoff team today without thinking about 2K editors?

Although Gabe was bidding against himself to sign Lewis, Rashard was a great player and sacrificed his health to play at 4 for us and even so he succeed.

That was Otis. As you point out, he added that 5th year on top of what many felt was a slight overpay already.


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[drsd]

I would be willing to trade Bamba for DSJ. Isaac looks like he can be a great 6th man defensive leader or solid starter. Bamba so far doesn't have the same drive that AG or Slim has. I just don't see him wanting to be dominate.

In the offseason, if the Magic had resigned Vučević and Ross, then this is a lateral move that balances the roster. From there many here would then consider value for Gordon, which could be a package with Fournier for a 3-and-D SG (for example a trade for a max on GSW's Thompson). With a draft for length, Naz Reid now fits a depth need.

The Magic would start as something like:
Smith/Augustin/Briscoe
Thompson
Ross/Simmons/Frazier
Isaac
Vučević/Reid/Mozgov

THe Magic then go for a couple wings and a combo-big as the final three players to fill the roster.

This is loads more balanced than what Orlando has now.


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[drsd]

The Magic is 5-11 over their last 16 games, a 31.3% "winning" rate.

This is exactly when the Magic has their annual meltdown.