Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank

[whocares1]

All this Frank talk reminds me of when KP stole our hearts and everyone turned on Melo. Then Greenie led an army of anti-KP fans and the board debate was about KP vs Melo.

The sad thing is that KP was actually good. We’re going to war for the worst offensive guard in the league.

-Knicks fans.

[dakomish23]

So rebounds, assists, points, free throws? Those things don't count. Just percentages. One is doing it on 6 shots a game. The other is doing it on 16. You don't see the difference in output? And the difference in roles?

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The fact that one takes more shots and shoots just as bad is an argument in your favor?

Absolutely. The Knicks have plenty of shots to go around, but no one who wants to shoot them. That's why Timmy gets so many shots. He's willing to take them. Is Frank? Is Frank willing to get his nose dirty and rebound? Timmy will. Timmy creates more assists. So he shoots more, scores more, rebounds more, makes more plays for others and you think he should be taken off for the guy that admits he has a mental block about playing the sport.

Timmy per 36 3.6 RPG 3.2 APG
Frank per 36 3.1 RPG 4.2 APG

Timmy only averages more assist because he plays more. And the 0.5 RPG more is reason to give him almost twice the minutes?

Timmy is shooting the same as Frank. Would Frank keep chucking if he shoots like that to get Timmy’s PPG? Probably not. That’s not a negative.

Timmy’s output has been atrocious and he has an unlimited leash to pretend he’s Ray Allen. Frank misses a few shots and he’s out of the rotation.

You said it was because of Frank’s output that he doesn’t see the floor. It’s not.

[prophet_of_rage]

The fact that one takes more shots and shoots just as bad is an argument in your favor?

Absolutely. The Knicks have plenty of shots to go around, but no one who wants to shoot them. That's why Timmy gets so many shots. He's willing to take them. Is Frank? Is Frank willing to get his nose dirty and rebound? Timmy will. Timmy creates more assists. So he shoots more, scores more, rebounds more, makes more plays for others and you think he should be taken off for the guy that admits he has a mental block about playing the sport.

Timmy per 36 3.6 RPG 3.2 APG
Frank per 36 3.1 RPG 4.2 APG

Timmy only averages more assist because he plays more. And the 0.5 RPG more is reason to give him almost twice the minutes?

Timmy is shooting the same as Frank. Would Frank keep chucking if he shoots like that to get Timmy’s PPG? Probably not. That’s not a negative.

Timmy’s output has been atrocious and he has an unlimited leash to pretend he’s Ray Allen. Frank misses a few shots and he’s out of the rotation.

You said it was because of Frank’s output that he doesn’t see the floor. It’s not.

Nice that you use per 36. How about what they actually produce. Since per 36 is just an extrapolation based on consistency that we know Frank nor THJ possesses.

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[prophet_of_rage]

The fact that one takes more shots and shoots just as bad is an argument in your favor?

Absolutely. The Knicks have plenty of shots to go around, but no one who wants to shoot them. That's why Timmy gets so many shots. He's willing to take them. Is Frank? Is Frank willing to get his nose dirty and rebound? Timmy will. Timmy creates more assists. So he shoots more, scores more, rebounds more, makes more plays for others and you think he should be taken off for the guy that admits he has a mental block about playing the sport.

Timmy per 36 3.6 RPG 3.2 APG
Frank per 36 3.1 RPG 4.2 APG

Timmy only averages more assist because he plays more. And the 0.5 RPG more is reason to give him almost twice the minutes?

Timmy is shooting the same as Frank. Would Frank keep chucking if he shoots like that to get Timmy’s PPG? Probably not. That’s not a negative.

Timmy’s output has been atrocious and he has an unlimited leash to pretend he’s Ray Allen. Frank misses a few shots and he’s out of the rotation.

You said it was because of Frank’s output that he doesn’t see the floor. It’s not.

You keep making it about missing shots. It'd more than that, but I would love to here your theory why Frank has been benched for ineffective play is different than the benchings of every other Knick this season.

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[Jeff Van Gully]

I would like to see how the team plays with kp before passing any judgement on the offense. Nets talent is still considerably better than what we have at pg. Spencer and Russel have to go and get buckets for their team. No way around it.


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Even before they acquired those players, they established their offensive identity. They use their system as the metric to pick players who fit what they want to do.

We have no identity.

FWIW the Knicks are 9th in frequency of open looks. So for our lack of system we seem to get good shots.

interesting stat. where you get that one from?

[prophet_of_rage]

The fact that one takes more shots and shoots just as bad is an argument in your favor?

Absolutely. The Knicks have plenty of shots to go around, but no one who wants to shoot them. That's why Timmy gets so many shots. He's willing to take them. Is Frank? Is Frank willing to get his nose dirty and rebound? Timmy will. Timmy creates more assists. So he shoots more, scores more, rebounds more, makes more plays for others and you think he should be taken off for the guy that admits he has a mental block about playing the sport.

Timmy per 36 3.6 RPG 3.2 APG
Frank per 36 3.1 RPG 4.2 APG

Timmy only averages more assist because he plays more. And the 0.5 RPG more is reason to give him almost twice the minutes?

Timmy is shooting the same as Frank. Would Frank keep chucking if he shoots like that to get Timmy’s PPG? Probably not. That’s not a negative.

Timmy’s output has been atrocious and he has an unlimited leash to pretend he’s Ray Allen. Frank misses a few shots and he’s out of the rotation.

You said it was because of Frank’s output that he doesn’t see the floor. It’s not.

What are Frank's points per 36 and what are Hardaway's? 10 to 22. Twice the scoring twice the minutes? Plus more rebounds and assists? C'mon. You know why Hardaway stays on the floor. He is the vet and the floor leader and the most prolific player on the team. Yes, that's why we're 9-26, but it is what it is. Hardaway is a better shooting guard than Frank is a basketball player period.

[GONYK]

I would like to see how the team plays with kp before passing any judgement on the offense. Nets talent is still considerably better than what we have at pg. Spencer and Russel have to go and get buckets for their team. No way around it.


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Even before they acquired those players, they established their offensive identity. They use their system as the metric to pick players who fit what they want to do.

We have no identity.

FWIW the Knicks are 9th in frequency of open looks. So for our lack of system we seem to get good shots.

The Knicks take the 6th most shots from midrange in the league. NBA defenses are designed to give up mid-range shots, since they are the most inefficient shots you can take.

So the Knicks getting those open looks isn't surprising. I'm not sure I would categorize them all as good shots though.

[thebuzzardman]

Ohh, look, some Tammy talk go into the all Frank all the time thread.

Tammy sucks. No other words necessary. Save your carpal tunnel syndromes.

[MaseInYourFace]

well to be fair the only lineup that he went away from that was playing defense was a NET positive lineup and that including Frank...so however you want to see it is fine but Fiz is all over the place right now.

Was that the lineup with Mitch and without Knox?

that was the Frank, Dotson, Timmy, Vonleh, Mitch lineups....you could easily swap timmy for knox

Why would they do that when Frank has played so bad?

[mpharris36]

Was that the lineup with Mitch and without Knox?

that was the Frank, Dotson, Timmy, Vonleh, Mitch lineups....you could easily swap timmy for knox

Why would they do that when Frank has played so bad?

in theory that is when we were playing our best...unless the goal is to have no defensive identity and continue to get destroyed.

Frank hasn't looked good but just like with our other important young players he should be a primary focus along with the other under contract young players.

[Ray Williams]

Absolutely. The Knicks have plenty of shots to go around, but no one who wants to shoot them. That's why Timmy gets so many shots. He's willing to take them. Is Frank? Is Frank willing to get his nose dirty and rebound? Timmy will. Timmy creates more assists. So he shoots more, scores more, rebounds more, makes more plays for others and you think he should be taken off for the guy that admits he has a mental block about playing the sport.

Timmy per 36 3.6 RPG 3.2 APG
Frank per 36 3.1 RPG 4.2 APG

Timmy only averages more assist because he plays more. And the 0.5 RPG more is reason to give him almost twice the minutes?

Timmy is shooting the same as Frank. Would Frank keep chucking if he shoots like that to get Timmy’s PPG? Probably not. That’s not a negative.

Timmy’s output has been atrocious and he has an unlimited leash to pretend he’s Ray Allen. Frank misses a few shots and he’s out of the rotation.

You said it was because of Frank’s output that he doesn’t see the floor. It’s not.

What are Frank's points per 36 and what are Hardaway's? 10 to 22. Twice the scoring twice the minutes? Plus more rebounds and assists? C'mon. You know why Hardaway stays on the floor. He is the vet and the floor leader and the most prolific player on the team. Yes, that's why we're 9-26, but it is what it is. Hardaway is a better shooting guard than Frank is a basketball player period.

Tammy is a finished product and here sucks, Frank is still developing. How is that so Fkin hard to understand?

[GONYK]

Frank drove 4 times in 14 minutes against Atlanta.

What is this magical "aggressive" threshold that he needs to meet to not get a DNP?

[1999]

I guess everything we discussed doesn’t matter. Fiz just said Frank is playing tonight and Kornet might start.


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[Jeff Van Gully]

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[prophet_of_rage]

Timmy per 36 3.6 RPG 3.2 APG
Frank per 36 3.1 RPG 4.2 APG

Timmy only averages more assist because he plays more. And the 0.5 RPG more is reason to give him almost twice the minutes?

Timmy is shooting the same as Frank. Would Frank keep chucking if he shoots like that to get Timmy’s PPG? Probably not. That’s not a negative.

Timmy’s output has been atrocious and he has an unlimited leash to pretend he’s Ray Allen. Frank misses a few shots and he’s out of the rotation.

You said it was because of Frank’s output that he doesn’t see the floor. It’s not.

What are Frank's points per 36 and what are Hardaway's? 10 to 22. Twice the scoring twice the minutes? Plus more rebounds and assists? C'mon. You know why Hardaway stays on the floor. He is the vet and the floor leader and the most prolific player on the team. Yes, that's why we're 9-26, but it is what it is. Hardaway is a better shooting guard than Frank is a basketball player period.

Tammy is a finished product and here sucks, Frank is still developing. How is that so Fkin hard to understand?

Why is Timmy finished? There aren't parts of his game he can't improve? There aren't parts he can't develop? Aren't they developing him as a number one scorer?

[prophet_of_rage]

Frank drove 4 times in 14 minutes against Atlanta.

What is this magical "aggressive" threshold that he needs to meet to not get a DNP?

Consistency. He's only had 4 dnps.

[1999]

Frank drove 4 times in 14 minutes against Atlanta.

What is this magical "aggressive" threshold that he needs to meet to not get a DNP?

Can’t quantify this based on stats. Just look at him objectively. For one which has been discussed he needs to stop needlessly handing the ball off.


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[GONYK]

"For a 20-year-old kid to think that way and talk that way even though I know it hurt him, and I know it was hard on him, and I didn’t want to do that to him — he just handled it great. I want him to have a shot back at these guys.”

If Fiz didn't want to do it...why did he?

Is there some other coach we are unaware of making lineup choices?

[prophet_of_rage]

Timmy per 36 3.6 RPG 3.2 APG
Frank per 36 3.1 RPG 4.2 APG

Timmy only averages more assist because he plays more. And the 0.5 RPG more is reason to give him almost twice the minutes?

Timmy is shooting the same as Frank. Would Frank keep chucking if he shoots like that to get Timmy’s PPG? Probably not. That’s not a negative.

Timmy’s output has been atrocious and he has an unlimited leash to pretend he’s Ray Allen. Frank misses a few shots and he’s out of the rotation.

You said it was because of Frank’s output that he doesn’t see the floor. It’s not.

What are Frank's points per 36 and what are Hardaway's? 10 to 22. Twice the scoring twice the minutes? Plus more rebounds and assists? C'mon. You know why Hardaway stays on the floor. He is the vet and the floor leader and the most prolific player on the team. Yes, that's why we're 9-26, but it is what it is. Hardaway is a better shooting guard than Frank is a basketball player period.

Tammy is a finished product and here sucks, Frank is still developing. How is that so Fkin hard to understand?

Frank is still developing and he sucks. He doesn't deserve 30 minutes. How is that so fkin hard to understand?

[GONYK]

Frank drove 4 times in 14 minutes against Atlanta.

What is this magical "aggressive" threshold that he needs to meet to not get a DNP?

Consistency. He's only had 4 dnps.

How could he be consistent if he's benched the next game?