Gordon Hayward Thread

[Green_teamer]

People are way overstating this. Brad would ideally shorten the rotation so we could start getting some chemistry out there. That’s the big issue as far as I see it. Unfortunately, he can’t do that. We have too many guys. Morris and Smart have played their way into the starting lineup, and we still need to play Jaylen and Terry.

This isn’t the team. This is the team we hope will get us the team. In the meantime, we are trying keep trade values high and options numerous.

I Disagree. -- I think this IS the Team.
We came to within 5 mins of the NBA Finals.

And that was without injured players Hayward, Irving, Theis, and Larkin.
Now, we have 3 of those players back in the Mix.

It needs to be figured out. And quite frankly, may take more than just this season.
Nevertheless, this is Still a Championship caliber team.

They need to stop tripping over each other, though. (Metaphorically)

I still have hope like you do but I think people need to get over last year too. The east was crap. Hell the Bucks didn't even have a coach, Philly we already know we own and outside of Lebron that Cavs team was utter trash.

We also had Al Horford playing out of his damn mind, can he repeat this? I hope so. He was arguably MVP of the eastern playoffs IMO after Lebron.

The east outside of the top 5 teams is still trash. And our differential, while not the end all be all, is like 3.5 points per game better than last season. This team will figure it out and win 57-60 games. Only takes a 10 game win streak to put us back on pace.

[Jakeopp]

Maybe Hayward will be a guy that has a positive plus minus (since this is a huge deal on here) will grab some boards and make some passes but at this point the Hayward we could have gotten is dunzo thanks to Crowder.

James was in on it.imho

[Valid]

14 points (6-of-11), 4 assists, 3 boards, plus-8, big-crunch time minutes.

Loved what I saw from him tonight.

[K For Three]

He looked sooooooo sooooooo much better tonight. OMG.

[K For Three]

I Disagree. -- I think this IS the Team.
We came to within 5 mins of the NBA Finals.

And that was without injured players Hayward, Irving, Theis, and Larkin.
Now, we have 3 of those players back in the Mix.

It needs to be figured out. And quite frankly, may take more than just this season.
Nevertheless, this is Still a Championship caliber team.

They need to stop tripping over each other, though. (Metaphorically)

I still have hope like you do but I think people need to get over last year too. The east was crap. Hell the Bucks didn't even have a coach, Philly we already know we own and outside of Lebron that Cavs team was utter trash.

We also had Al Horford playing out of his damn mind, can he repeat this? I hope so. He was arguably MVP of the eastern playoffs IMO after Lebron.

The east outside of the top 5 teams is still trash. And our differential, while not the end all be all, is like 3.5 points per game better than last season. This team will figure it out and win 57-60 games. Only takes a 10 game win streak to put us back on pace.

I still believe. Hell I still have us in the ECFs and probably in the finals if healthy.

I go through hormonal female outbursts of anger at times with Brozier (mostly with Terry) and sometimes I sadly take it out on Gordon which he doesn't deserve.

[ddb]

I finally have my comp for recovering Gordon Hayward. He has been playing like Kyle "slow mo" Anderson. That's his comp until he finds his true self

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[djFan71]

I finally have my comp for recovering Gordon Hayward. He has been playing like Kyle "slow mo" Anderson. That's his comp until he finds his true self

I thought that as well, just a poor-shooting Slo-mo so far. Tonight was a great game for Gordon, though. If this type of game becomes his average, then floor, then a distant memory, we're in really good shape.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

He played well yesterday but I expect the same Hayward we have been seeing all season the next 10 or so games.

[return2glory]

I’m looking for progress from Hayward. I think we will see that in February and March.

[cloverleaf]

I finally have my comp for recovering Gordon Hayward. He has been playing like Kyle "slow mo" Anderson. That's his comp until he finds his true self

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Slow Mo's not a bad young player.

[MyInsatiableOne]

He was injured, it sucks, yes. But it's over a year removed from the injury and Stevens is giving him entirely too many minutes where he **** the bed, so that's where we can have anger with the coach and player. What are we Gunna deal with 2 years of "those shots will start to fall"?

It's over a year removed from the actual injury, yes, but otherwise your statement is just foolish. How many months of healing after the initial surgery until he could even put enough weight on it to stand? Walk? Run lightly? Jog? Then sprint in a straight line only? Then another unforeseen surgery in August to remove the pins and plate that set his rehab back. He wasn't cutting and moving laterally on a regular basis until right before camp started. This is not an injury you just heal up and get back to 100% normal like an ankle sprain. This is something that will take months, if not a year, to recover fully from. Add in the mental component of always being timid and worried that the next time you go all out and make a cut, you could blow it out again...THAT makes it even harder.

I swear half of Celtics fans act like Gordon just **** sprained his ankle and should be over it. It's ridiculous.

I think the point that the green hopefuls are missing though is that yes, it will take a long time for him to recover. Just because he is still struggling now because of the recovery, does not mean he will mentally get over it or be the same player. Hayward may never return to allstar form

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That's completely valid. I take more issue with the people who say RIGHT NOW "OMG HE SUCKS, WORST CONTRACT EVER!" In 2-3 years if he hasn't gotten back to that, then yes that's true. But a few months removed from his SECOND surgery after such a horrific injury is way too premature.

[jazzfan1971]

It's over a year removed from the actual injury, yes, but otherwise your statement is just foolish. How many months of healing after the initial surgery until he could even put enough weight on it to stand? Walk? Run lightly? Jog? Then sprint in a straight line only? Then another unforeseen surgery in August to remove the pins and plate that set his rehab back. He wasn't cutting and moving laterally on a regular basis until right before camp started. This is not an injury you just heal up and get back to 100% normal like an ankle sprain. This is something that will take months, if not a year, to recover fully from. Add in the mental component of always being timid and worried that the next time you go all out and make a cut, you could blow it out again...THAT makes it even harder.

I swear half of Celtics fans act like Gordon just **** sprained his ankle and should be over it. It's ridiculous.

I think the point that the green hopefuls are missing though is that yes, it will take a long time for him to recover. Just because he is still struggling now because of the recovery, does not mean he will mentally get over it or be the same player. Hayward may never return to allstar form

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That's completely valid. I take more issue with the people who say RIGHT NOW "OMG HE SUCKS, WORST CONTRACT EVER!" In 2-3 years if he hasn't gotten back to that, then yes that's true. But a few months removed from his SECOND surgery after such a horrific injury is way too premature.

I don't know what guys expect from Gordon. I took a hard look at his per 36 numbers today and he looks to be the player he always was other than efficency and usage. He will never return to Jazz production as long as his usage is going from 27.6 in Utah to 18.5 in Boston. But his other numbers are there. He's producing rebounds, assists, steals, and keeping his turnovers down at a better than usual clip.

I think the most you can expect of him at this point is a small increase in efficiency. That's it. Other than that, you are seeing the player he is. I'd quit holding my breath waiting for something else and embrace what he is giving you now.

[Green89]

I finally have my comp for recovering Gordon Hayward. He has been playing like Kyle "slow mo" Anderson. That's his comp until he finds his true self

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Slow Mo's not a bad young player.

Slow mo can't hit the three and he will never be an all star. Decent role player, though whose ceiling might be Ryan Gomes.

[ajones9219]

I think the point that the green hopefuls are missing though is that yes, it will take a long time for him to recover. Just because he is still struggling now because of the recovery, does not mean he will mentally get over it or be the same player. Hayward may never return to allstar form

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That's completely valid. I take more issue with the people who say RIGHT NOW "OMG HE SUCKS, WORST CONTRACT EVER!" In 2-3 years if he hasn't gotten back to that, then yes that's true. But a few months removed from his SECOND surgery after such a horrific injury is way too premature.

I don't know what guys expect from Gordon. I took a hard look at his per 36 numbers today and he looks to be the player he always was other than efficency and usage. He will never return to Jazz production as long as his usage is going from 27.6 in Utah to 18.5 in Boston. But his other numbers are there. He's producing rebounds, assists, steals, and keeping his turnovers down at a better than usual clip.

I think the most you can expect of him at this point is a small increase in efficiency. That's it. Other than that, you are seeing the player he is. I'd quit holding my breath waiting for something else and embrace what he is giving you now.

Disagree only because his efficiency craters the more minutes you give him and he is still passive where he wasn't in Utah, his per 36 doesn't tell the whole story and he clearly has more progress to make to get back to his Utah level. I'm firmly in the camp that thinks he gets there in the next few months though. I've enjoyed his progress recently

[darylbe]

I think the point that the green hopefuls are missing though is that yes, it will take a long time for him to recover. Just because he is still struggling now because of the recovery, does not mean he will mentally get over it or be the same player. Hayward may never return to allstar form

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That's completely valid. I take more issue with the people who say RIGHT NOW "OMG HE SUCKS, WORST CONTRACT EVER!" In 2-3 years if he hasn't gotten back to that, then yes that's true. But a few months removed from his SECOND surgery after such a horrific injury is way too premature.

I don't know what guys expect from Gordon. I took a hard look at his per 36 numbers today and he looks to be the player he always was other than efficency and usage. He will never return to Jazz production as long as his usage is going from 27.6 in Utah to 18.5 in Boston. But his other numbers are there. He's producing rebounds, assists, steals, and keeping his turnovers down at a better than usual clip.

I think the most you can expect of him at this point is a small increase in efficiency. That's it. Other than that, you are seeing the player he is. I'd quit holding my breath waiting for something else and embrace what he is giving you now.

He makes 32M a year. Yea, I get it, everyone's numbers and minutes are down.

But if kyrie doesn't explode for 25-40 pts, Noone steps up. Morris is playing great, but he's a role players, he's not supposed to be our #2. GH isn't even top 5 and that's a big problem.

Last season, we can have ten guys in double figures. It's not happening this season.

We need to have ways to win if KI doesnt break 20pts.

[Green_teamer]

LIL B WHO BLESSED BROWN LAST SEASON JUST BLESSED HAYWARD. WE SAVED.

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[SuperDeluxe]

LIL B WHO BLESSED BROWN LAST SEASON JUST BLESSED HAYWARD. WE SAVED.

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That tweet is from 2017

[Green_teamer]

LIL B WHO BLESSED BROWN LAST SEASON JUST BLESSED HAYWARD. WE SAVED.

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That tweet is from 2017

Aw ****

[shawn unkempt]

Zero points. I don't care about an injury, he's not some end of the bench player that got injured. He's (was) a borderline allstar and he's out here scoring zero points. If he's not ready to play then we need to bench him until he is.

[shawn unkempt]

Zero points. I don't care about an injury, he's not some end of the bench player that got injured. He's (was) a borderline allstar and he's out here scoring zero points. If he's not ready to play then we need to bench him until he is.

And I forgot to mention, he was being guarded by Marco Belinelli, one of the worst defenders in the league. Zero points.