The Lebron Thread - 2018 - 2019 - Pt. 2

[homecourtloss]

LeBron is 73 assists away from top 10 in assists all time. Will be the only player in the top 10, and 1690 behind Magic for 5th, although CP might push Magic out first.

All time scoring leaders and where they rank in assists

1. KAJ, 42nd in assists
2. Karl Malone, 55th in assists
3. Kobe, 30th in assists
4. Jordan, 44th in assists
5. LeBron, 11th in assists
6. Wilt, 77th in assists
7. Dirk, 144th in assists
8. Dr. J., 59th in combined NBA/ABA
9. Moses Malone, 472nd
10. Shaq, 204th in assists

[Jurassic_Park]

LeBron is 73 assists away from top 10 in assists all time. Will be the only player in the top 10, and 1690 behind Magic for 5th, although CP might push Magic out first.

All time scoring leaders and where they rank in assists

1. KAJ, 42nd in assists
2. Karl Malone, 55th in assists
3. Kobe, 30th in assists
4. Jordan, 44th in assists
5. LeBron, 11th in assists
6. Wilt, 77th in assists
7. Dirk, 144th in assists
8. Dr. J., 59th in combined NBA/ABA
9. Moses Malone, 472nd
10. Shaq, 204th in assists

if its easy to do.. you mind adding, total rbs..as well as the # of games each of them played, would tell a much better picture. All but 3 of them are bigs, so not surprising they are far behind on asts.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Rebounding Rank:

1. KAJ #4
2. K. Malone #8
3. Kobe #114
4. Jordan #139
5. James #64
6. Wilt #1
7. Dirk #28
8. Dr J. #35
9. M. Malone #3
10. Shaq #16

[MisterHibachi]

LeBron ruled out against the Knicks. Seems this absence will stretch on for a bit.

[homecourtloss]

From another thread:

LeBron’s 2018 playoffs run alone compares favorably to Jordan’s BEST runs.

2018 LeBron’s Playoffs vs. Jordan’s best playoff seasons

• LeBron: 22 games and 922 minutes played


PER: LeBron—32.2, Jordan—32.0 (1991, 689 minutes played)

LeBron’s PER is the highest of any player’s through the finals in NBA HISTORY

Win Shares: LeBron—5.16, Jordan—4.8 (1991 and 1998)

LeBron’s WS are the fifth highest total for any playoff season and he has four of the top six single playoff seasons

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_season_p.html

VORP: LeBron—3.71, Jordan—2.8 (1991 and 1990); yes, it’s cummalative, but VORP per game would be 2009 James

LeBron’s 2018 VORP is the highest total for any single post season ever and he has 5 of the top 6 runs

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/vorp_season_p.html

TS%: LeBron—61.9%, Jordan—60.2% (1989), 60% (1990)

Box PlusMinus: LeBron—14.0 (was 14.9 after game 1) , Jordan—14.3 (1990), 13.8 (1991);

LeBron’s 2018 Box +/- is the highest for any player ever through the finals. Jordan’s +13.8 in 1991 was the highest ever for any player through the finals.

Total Points Added: LeBron—246.33; Jordan—186.19 (1990);

LeBron’s 2018 TPA is the highest total for any playoff season ever in NBA history .LeBron has the #1, 4, #5, #7, #10, and #12 playoff runs. Pippen had a higher total than Jordan in 1996 AND 1998.

https://nbamath.com/nba-individual-playoffs/

—So, at 33, in his 15th season, when 99% of all players are in terminal decline, LeBron played a post season that’s in many ways better than a hypothetical one in which we take the best of each one of Jordan’s playoffs seasons.

% of a team’s playoffs VORP through completion of the NBA Finals

1. LeBron, 2018, 100% (that’s not a typo)
2. Kareem, 1974, 62.5%
3. LeBron, 2007, 60%
4. LeBron, 2014, 55.8%
5. Bird, 1984, 50.9%
6. Duncan, 2003, 49.3%
7. Drexler, 1990, 48.6%
8. Barkley, 1993, 46.8%
9. Kidd, 2002, 46.2%
10.LeBron, 2015, 45.8%
11. LeBron, 2012, 44.4%
12. Shaq, 2003, 44.4%
13. Hakeem, 1994, 44.4%
14. Magic, 1980, 43.9%
15. Jordan, 1991, 43.8%
16. Bird, 1987, 43.5%
17. Wade, 2006, 43.3%
18. LeBron, 2017, 43.1%
19. Magic, 1991, 42.9%
20. LeBron, 2016, 42.6%

Other famous “Carry” performances:

Iverson, 2001: 39.5%
Walton, 1977: 35.6%
Dirk, 2011: 17.4


% of team playoffs VORP

Jordan:

1985: 66.7% (played only one series, lost 3-1 in first round)
1986: 100% (played only one series, lost 3-0 in first round)
1987: 133% (played only one series, lost 3-0 in first round)
1988: 93.3% (lost in 5 in the ECSF)
1989: 71.1% (lost in 6 in ECF)
1990: 70% (lost in 7 in ECF)
1991: 43.8% (Pippen, 26.6%, Grant, 17.2%)
1992: 37% (Pippen, 30.1%; Grant, 26%—a highly underrated player)
1993: 40.3% (Grant, 19.4%; Pippen, 16.1%)
1995: 39.1% (Pippen, 34.8%; Kukoc, 26.1%)
1996: 25.7% (Pippen, 28.4%; Rodman, 12.2%; Harper, 12.2%)
1997: 32.8% (Pippen, 20.9%; Harper, 14.9%)
1998: 25.7% (Pippen, 27.1%, Kukoc, 15.7%)

LeBron:

2006: 63.6% (Donyell, 13.6%) (lost in 7 in ECSF)
2007: 60% (Boobie, 12.5%)
2008: 53.3% (lost in 7 in ECSF)
2009: 64.4% (Delonte, 11.1%) (lost in 6 in ECF)
2010: 75% (Jamario Moon, 10%) (lost in 6 in ECSF)
2011: 42.6% (Wade, 37%; Bosh, 5.6%—not third but wanted to post that)
2012: 44.4% (Wade, 19.4%)
2013: 42.1% (Wade, 14.3%; Bosh, 12.9%)
2014: 55.8% (Bosh, 16.3%; Wade, 9.3%)
2015: 45.8% (Shump, 13.6%; Kyrie, 13.6%)
2016: 42.6% (Kyrie, 17.8%; J.R., 16.4%)
2017: 43.1% (Love, 13.8%; Kyrie, 8.6% due to terrible defense and bad offense against Indy and sub 50% TS shooting against Toronto.
2018: 100% (Nance, 13.5%, Love, NEGATIVE 2.7%, Hood, NEGATIVE 5.4%Clarkson, NEGATIVE 13.5%

[homecourtloss]

% of a team’s playoffs VORP through completion of the NBA Finals

1. LeBron, 2018, 100% (that’s not a typo)
2. Kareem, 1974, 62.5%
3. LeBron, 2007, 60%
4. LeBron, 2014, 55.8%
5. Bird, 1984, 50.9%
6. Duncan, 2003, 49.3%
7. Drexler, 1990, 48.6%
8. Barkley, 1993, 46.8%
9. Kidd, 2002, 46.2%
10.LeBron, 2015, 45.8%
11. LeBron, 2012, 44.4%
12. Shaq, 2003, 44.4%
13. Hakeem, 1994, 44.4%
14. Magic, 1980, 43.9%
15. Jordan, 1991, 43.8%
16. Bird, 1987, 43.5%
17. Wade, 2006, 43.3%
18. LeBron, 2017, 43.1%
19. Magic, 1991, 42.9%
20. LeBron, 2016, 42.6%

Other famous “Carry” performances:

Iverson, 2001: 39.5%
Walton, 1977: 35.6%
Dirk, 2011: 17.4


% of team playoffs VORP

Jordan:

1985: 66.7% (played only one series, lost 3-1 in first round)
1986: 100% (played only one series, lost 3-0 in first round)
1987: 133% (played only one series, lost 3-0 in first round)
1988: 93.3% (lost in 5 in the ECSF)
1989: 71.1% (lost in 6 in ECF)
1990: 70% (lost in 7 in ECF)
1991: 43.8% (Pippen, 26.6%, Grant, 17.2%)
1992: 37% (Pippen, 30.1%; Grant, 26%—a highly underrated player)
1993: 40.3% (Grant, 19.4%; Pippen, 16.1%)
1995: 39.1% (Pippen, 34.8%; Kukoc, 26.1%)
1996: 25.7% (Pippen, 28.4%; Rodman, 12.2%; Harper, 12.2%)
1997: 32.8% (Pippen, 20.9%; Harper, 14.9%)
1998: 25.7% (Pippen, 27.1%, Kukoc, 15.7%)

LeBron:

2006: 63.6% (Donyell, 13.6%) (lost in 7 in ECSF)
2007: 60% (Boobie, 12.5%)
2008: 53.3% (lost in 7 in ECSF)
2009: 64.4% (Delonte, 11.1%) (lost in 6 in ECF)
2010: 75% (Jamario Moon, 10%) (lost in 6 in ECSF)
2011: 42.6% (Wade, 37%; Bosh, 5.6%—not third)
2012: 44.4% (Wade, 19.4%)
2013: 42.1% (Wade, 14.3%; Bosh, 12.9%)
2014: 55.8% (Bosh, 16.3%; Wade, 9.3%)
2015: 45.8% (Shump, 13.6%; Kyrie, 13.6%)
2016: 42.6% (Kyrie, 17.8%; J.R., 16.4%)
2017: 43.1% (Love, 13.8%; Kyrie, 8.6% due to terrible defense and bad offense against Indy and sub 50% TS shooting against Toronto.
2018: 100% (Nance, 13.5%, Love, NEGATIVE 2.7%, Hood, NEGATIVE 5.4%Clarkson, NEGATIVE 13.5%

[Dupp]

Can I get the 100% vorp explained to me please

[magicman1978]

Can I get the 100% vorp explained to me please

The whole Cavs teams for the playoffs had a total of 3.7 VORP (value over replacement player). LeBron himself was at 3.7. some other players were slightly positive, some were slightly negative so total overall was 3.7. So the 100% calculation is not entirely accurate. For example, Nance was at 0.5 VORP. So how can we say LeBron had 3.7/3.7 for 100%, while Nance has 0.5/3.7, but has 0%? Obviously it does show how little help LeBron had in 18.

[homecourtloss]

Can I get the 100% vorp explained to me please

Cavs’ playoffs VORP

LeBron James, 3.7
Larry Nance, 0.5
Kyle Korver, 0.2
George Hill, 0.1
Tristan Thompson, 0.1
J.R. Smith, 0.0
Jeff Green, 0.0
Jose Calderon, 0.0
Ante Zizic, 0.0
Kevin Love, -0.1
Cedi Osman, -0.1
Rodney Hood, -0.2
Jordan Clarkson, -0.5

Nance’s, Korver’s, Hill’s, and TT’s positive contributions were negated by Hood’s, Clarkson’s, Love’s, and Cedi’s contributions. In all, the Cavs wound up with 3.7 total VORP. James had 3.7 VORP, thus 100% of his team’s total.

What’s interesting is that a “replacement level player” is defined as a 12th man at the end of bench. You can get a G league player to be a 12th man. The entire Cavs roster played like a G league team outside of James.

[Dupp]

Ok so i remember this now. I’ve asked before about this. Thank you.

[SideshowBob]

Raw In/Out so far. Obviously keep note of the fact that a lot of other folks have been in and out of the lineup with injuries/suspensions as well in both frames.

Lebron IN (34 G, 20-14)

+2.48 SRS, -0.4 Offense, -2.5 Defense, +2.1 Net

Lebron OUT (5G, 1-4)

-5.86 SRS, -7.0 Offense, -2.8 Defense, -4.2 Net

[MisterHibachi]

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[WoogieBoo]

Raw In/Out so far. Obviously keep note of the fact that a lot of other folks have been in and out of the lineup with injuries/suspensions as well in both frames.

Lebron IN (34 G, 20-14)

+2.48 SRS, -0.4 Offense, -2.5 Defense, +2.1 Net

Lebron OUT (5G, 1-4)

-5.86 SRS, -7.0 Offense, -2.8 Defense, -4.2 Net

Could you do in/out SRS for his career when you have the time?

[MisterHibachi]

Honestly, I don't see what big splash the Lakers are going to make in free agency. KD was a nice dream for a couple of weeks in November, but we all know that's not going to happen. Kawhi seems to have narrowed it down to Toronto and the Clippers. Butler is staying most likely, and if he does leave it's probably for NY. Who else is there?

It's basically trade for AD or bust, and I don't see why the Pelicans would trade him to the Lakers, not just because the value of Lakers' assets continues to go down by the game, but also a matter of pride, like the Pacers refusing to trade PG to the Lakers or the Spurs Kawhi. No matter how good of a deal they get from the Lakers, everyone's gonna **** on the Pelicans for caving in and it's a matter of pride for them. If AD's coming, it'll be through free agency and that's in two years.

I think the Lakers need to trade Ingram + package for Beal, whose apparently on the market. LeBron + a top tier shooter can fix this offense and make noise in the playoffs. Then in the summer they can try to trade Beal to the Pelicans, or pick up a second tier free agent in the summer like Tobais Harris, Middleton, or Kemba, and roll the dice.

edit: such a shame PG didn't sign with the Lakers. They would be title favourites right now with the way he's playing and how the Warriors look. Also, it remains mind boggling to me they let Randle and Lopez walk for nothing while signing Rondo, Lance and Beasley.

[clyde21]

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what is he talking about when he says they favor some players?

[MisterHibachi]

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what is he talking about when he says they favor some players?

I didn't follow the Lakers last year obviously, but I think he's referring to Randle being treated unfairly, Russell being publicly trashed by Magic, etc. all while the organization is trying to develop a reputation as player-friendly. Lakers fans also have noted Luke having a very short leash on Lonzo this year when Rondo's available.

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Kind of funny they let their best young player in Randle walk for nothing to the exact team they're trying to trade their young assets to.

[MisterHibachi]

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[homecourtloss]

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I know he was driving the tank, but Byron Scott here

Also, it seem incredulous that in this day and age that a cornerstone, historic franchise wouldn’t use an analytics department, having shooting coach, have a staff of Walton and his first bros, etc.

[tone wone]

Raw In/Out so far. Obviously keep note of the fact that a lot of other folks have been in and out of the lineup with injuries/suspensions as well in both frames.

Lebron IN (34 G, 20-14)

+2.48 SRS, -0.4 Offense, -2.5 Defense, +2.1 Net

Lebron OUT (5G, 1-4)

-5.86 SRS, -7.0 Offense, -2.8 Defense, -4.2 Net

19th rated offense. Its definitely a change of pace from the Cavs being bad on d and great on o but this is the worst offense he's played on in over a decade. But, unlike those ugly pre MVP CLE teams; LAL plays at a breakneck pace so the average may not pick up how blah this team is offensively.

The lack of shooting is just crippling. Haven't looked a the numbers in about 2 weeks but the last I saw they were damn near the worst spot up team in the league.

The overreaction his creation burden in CLE last year led to him searching out Rondo and Lance instead of functional shooters. It makes thing a lot harder than it should.

[WoogieBoo]

The Cavs this year are rocking a +7.5 relative Drtg, tied for 3rd worst all time.


Maybe we were a bit too harsh on Bron defensively the last 2 years, this Cavs system is something else.