Source: Bulls give Jim Boylen salary bump, deal through at least next season

[DuckIII]

There is zero chance the Bulls guaranteed $1M of Boylen’s salary just to fire him this summer. Zero.

This is the part where the front office compounds their cost-driven move with a lie that treats us like were born fuccing yesterday. Fucc them.

No, no, no. If anything, it confirms their lack of commitment to him. They gave him a "bump" to 1.6 million, which probably make him the lowest paid head coach by quite a bit, and only guaranteed the part of it that he was already due to be paid under his old contract. This is from the Tribune in early December when Hoiberg was fired:

Boylen isn’t carrying an “interim” tag on his newly minted head coach title with the Bulls, who fired Fred Hoiberg on Monday. Boylen also has every chance to keep the job. Team sources said Boylen’s already hefty associate head coach salary for next season — just shy of $1 million — will be “looked at” for possible renegotiation.

Don't sweat it. This isn't the story many are interpreting it to be.

[aramada]

So assuming his salary got doubled for this season and next with a guaranteed 1M next season, and knowing we are at the halfway point this season, that means he’s getting $400k more this season, and a guaranteed $200k more next season.
Crowley and Shams look like a** clowns making a big deal out of it, especially Cowley who wrote a full article making it sound like he was getting a big raise


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[DASMACKDOWN]

This is the lowest it's been for this franchise in a long time. This is post-dynasty bad.

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In many ways it feels worse, because back then we were naive and still believed that Krause's plan could eventually pay off. Now we're fed the same BS every couple years as the franchise tries to reset itself.

The funny thing was I thougth that Krause would never get fired. And he didnt. He stepped down because ownership was worried about their bottom line from 6 years of losing.

But with Krause you never felt he wasnt trying or doing "equity" deals for money.

Pax and Gar on the other hand, are saving money like we have the smallest market and the lowest attendance in the league. Thats the biggest thing that gets me mad. They are satified with everything if the bill is low, profits are high and we keep interest with the fans. The PR stunt of the last 2 seasons of "FROM CHICAGO" is just that. A PR stunt. Any other

Its really sad.

[DuckIII]

KC said this when the Bulls hired Boylen:



So is it that we extended with a pay bump or just gave him a pay bump to his existing deal?

As the head coach, he got a pay bump above his assistant coach level pay running through the end of his pre-existing assistant coaching contract.

I don't want to retain Boylen after this year, but this isn't a big deal. In fact, the exact same thing happened with Larry Drew earlier this year in Cleveland, and it became a PR problem for the Cavs. They ended up bumping his deal up to head-coach level income as well. I don't think its uncommon.

Kind of a non-issue. And I bet Boylen's still on a tremendous bargain deal for a head coach. We'll find out I guess. It also wouldn't surprise me if the buy out upon termination is still the assistant level salary rate. But I doubt we ever learn that level of detail.

This report says the Bulls gave Boylen a contract for next season. Not a non-issue at all. Bulls aren’t paying 3 head coaches, so Boylen is our coach until 2020 at minimum. Good luck attracting any free agents.

No, that's not what happened. He already had a contract for next season. The report is either misleading or you are not reading it correctly. I don't know which, I didn't read the whole report. I made a guess as to what I figured probably happened, and then as Woj reported I was exactly right.

Typically when it appears up front that the Bulls are doing something completely insane, it turns out to not be true. This is yet another one of those times. But don't worry, if they do end up committing to him, I'll be on your side.

[DuckIII]

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Basically what I said. I figured. A lot of over-reacting in this thread. The Bulls aren't locking themselves into anything meaningful or showing any sort of genuine commitment to Boylen here. Take a deep breath.

What has Boylen done to deserve a raise? They have been worse with him than Fred.

Its SOP. It just happened in Cleveland as well. He's the head coach now, so he has more responsibility and is paid more. And he's still being paid almost nothing as far as head coaches go.

He's making 1.6 million now. The most recent list I could find of NBA head coaching salaries was a couple of years old, and he'd still be by far the lowest paid at that rate. There is no significance to this.

[DuckIII]

So assuming his salary got doubled for this season and next with a guaranteed 1M next season, and knowing we are at the halfway point this season, that means he’s getting $400k more this season, and a guaranteed $200k more next season.
Crowley and Shams look like a** clowns making a big deal out of it, especially Cowley who wrote a full article making it sound like he was getting a big raise


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I didn't even read Cowley's article so I don't know how it makes him look, but yes this is an insignificant development.

[dumbell78]

Lol I and a bunch of others said he would remain and here we are.

[Dez]

F***ing clickbait RealGM headlines nearly had me until I saw the Woj tweet.

[patagonia]

Deal is not that bad. They can get out of it easily if he sucks this year. Which he does.

[DuckIII]

Lol I and a bunch of others said he would remain and here we are.

Read the rest of the thread.

[DuckIII]

F***ing clickbait RealGM headlines nearly had me until I saw the Woj tweet.

Thread could use a title change:

"With Recent Raise Boylen Is By Far Lowest Paid Coach In NBA, And Gets No Extension On Contract."

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

There is zero chance the Bulls guaranteed $1M of Boylen’s salary just to fire him this summer. Zero.

This is the part where the front office compounds their cost-driven move with a lie that treats us like were born fuccing yesterday. Fucc them.

No, no, no. If anything, it confirms their lack of commitment to him. They gave him a "bump" to 1.6 million, which probably make him the lowest paid head coach by quite a bit, and only guaranteed the part of it that he was already due to be paid under his old contract. This is from the Tribune in early December when Hoiberg was fired:

Boylen isn’t carrying an “interim” tag on his newly minted head coach title with the Bulls, who fired Fred Hoiberg on Monday. Boylen also has every chance to keep the job. Team sources said Boylen’s already hefty associate head coach salary for next season — just shy of $1 million — will be “looked at” for possible renegotiation.

Don't sweat it. This isn't the story many are interpreting it to be.

MAN am I not in the mood for your condescension.

From the Cowley article i.e. the only one published since the news broke:

When he was promoted, Boylen was working under his associate head-coaching deal, which paid him just more than $800,000 for the rest of this season and through next season. The Sun-Times reported that Boylen was betting on himself to earn that increase, at least for 2019-20.

The front office appreciated the gesture because it would be paying the remainder of Hoiberg’s $5 million salary this season and another $5 million next season.

The pay increase wasn't a forgone conclusion - it's meant to be a reflection of Boylen's performance to date. If it were SOP, they'd have bumped his pay shortly after they promoted him rather than waiting five weeks.

And his low salary signals their lack of commitment? His low salary is the reason for their commitment. It's possible they adjust it this summer to bring him closer to a respectable range, but the likelihood that they gave him a sizable bump in salary just to reopen the coaching search this summer is slim to none.

[dumbell78]

Lol I and a bunch of others said he would remain and here we are.

Read the rest of the thread.

I did and I'm not falling for any of it. This is about Jerry insuring he pays the minimum for a coach next year and will not be looking for another coach. This isn't about "flexibility" like Woj suggests in his tweet. You may disagree and that's fine.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Basically what I said. I figured. A lot of over-reacting in this thread. The Bulls aren't locking themselves into anything meaningful or showing any sort of genuine commitment to Boylen here. Take a deep breath.

What has Boylen done to deserve a raise? They have been worse with him than Fred.

Its SOP. It just happened in Cleveland as well. He's the head coach now, so he has more responsibility and is paid more. And he's still being paid almost nothing as far as head coaches go.

He's making 1.6 million now. The most recent list I could find of NBA head coaching salaries was a couple of years old, and he'd still be by far the lowest paid at that rate. There is no significance to this.

It wasn't SOP in Cleveland. Larry Drew ran a public and private campaign to pry that new contract loose. Christ.

[meekrab]

KC said this when the Bulls hired Boylen:



So is it that we extended with a pay bump or just gave him a pay bump to his existing deal?

As the head coach, he got a pay bump above his assistant coach level pay running through the end of his pre-existing assistant coaching contract.

I don't want to retain Boylen after this year, but this isn't a big deal. In fact, the exact same thing happened with Larry Drew earlier this year in Cleveland, and it became a PR problem for the Cavs. They ended up bumping his deal up to head-coach level income as well. I don't think its uncommon.

Kind of a non-issue. And I bet Boylen's still on a tremendous bargain deal for a head coach. We'll find out I guess. It also wouldn't surprise me if the buy out upon termination is still the assistant level salary rate. But I doubt we ever learn that level of detail.

This report says the Bulls gave Boylen a contract for next season. Not a non-issue at all. Bulls aren’t paying 3 head coaches, so Boylen is our coach until 2020 at minimum. Good luck attracting any free agents.

He already had a contract for next season, they just guaranteed him a little more money.

[DuckIII]

There is zero chance the Bulls guaranteed $1M of Boylen’s salary just to fire him this summer. Zero.

This is the part where the front office compounds their cost-driven move with a lie that treats us like were born fuccing yesterday. Fucc them.

No, no, no. If anything, it confirms their lack of commitment to him. They gave him a "bump" to 1.6 million, which probably make him the lowest paid head coach by quite a bit, and only guaranteed the part of it that he was already due to be paid under his old contract. This is from the Tribune in early December when Hoiberg was fired:

Boylen isn’t carrying an “interim” tag on his newly minted head coach title with the Bulls, who fired Fred Hoiberg on Monday. Boylen also has every chance to keep the job. Team sources said Boylen’s already hefty associate head coach salary for next season — just shy of $1 million — will be “looked at” for possible renegotiation.

Don't sweat it. This isn't the story many are interpreting it to be.

MAN am I not in the mood for your condescension.

From the Cowley article i.e. the only one published since the news broke:

When he was promoted, Boylen was working under his associate head-coaching deal, which paid him just more than $800,000 for the rest of this season and through next season. The Sun-Times reported that Boylen was betting on himself to earn that increase, at least for 2019-20.

The front office appreciated the gesture because it would be paying the remainder of Hoiberg’s $5 million salary this season and another $5 million next season.

The pay increase wasn't a forgone conclusion - it's meant to be a reflection of Boylen's performance to date. If it were SOP, they'd have bumped his pay shortly after they promoted him rather than waiting five weeks.

And his low salary signals their lack of commitment? His low salary is the reason for their commitment. It's possible they adjust it this summer to bring him closer to a respectable range, but the likelihood that they gave him a sizable bump in salary just to reopen the coaching search this summer is slim to none.

I wasn't trying to be condescending. I was trying to correct a misunderstanding. You're obviously really angry about this, and so are others, and I was trying to reassure you guys that this isn't a big deal and doesn't, standing alone, signify a commitment to Boylen for next year. I don't want him back next year either.

Basically, they bumped him a guaranteed $600K. That's nothing. Like I said, it just happened with Larry Drew a couple of months ago. Its what happens when someone is made the head coach following a firing.

The thing I guess to be upset about is that they didn't just keep the "interim" tag on him up front. But once they made him the head coach, this step was basically automatic. The fact that he's only basically guaranteed next year at this associate head coach salary tells you a lot about the lack of commitment here.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

No, no, no. If anything, it confirms their lack of commitment to him. They gave him a "bump" to 1.6 million, which probably make him the lowest paid head coach by quite a bit, and only guaranteed the part of it that he was already due to be paid under his old contract. This is from the Tribune in early December when Hoiberg was fired:



Don't sweat it. This isn't the story many are interpreting it to be.

MAN am I not in the mood for your condescension.

From the Cowley article i.e. the only one published since the news broke:

When he was promoted, Boylen was working under his associate head-coaching deal, which paid him just more than $800,000 for the rest of this season and through next season. The Sun-Times reported that Boylen was betting on himself to earn that increase, at least for 2019-20.

The front office appreciated the gesture because it would be paying the remainder of Hoiberg’s $5 million salary this season and another $5 million next season.

The pay increase wasn't a forgone conclusion - it's meant to be a reflection of Boylen's performance to date. If it were SOP, they'd have bumped his pay shortly after they promoted him rather than waiting five weeks.

And his low salary signals their lack of commitment? His low salary is the reason for their commitment. It's possible they adjust it this summer to bring him closer to a respectable range, but the likelihood that they gave him a sizable bump in salary just to reopen the coaching search this summer is slim to none.

I wasn't trying to be condescending. I was trying to correct a misunderstanding. You're obviously really angry about this, and so are others, and I was trying to reassure you guys that this isn't a big deal and doesn't, standing alone, signify a commitment to Boylen for next year. I don't want him back next year either.

Basically, they bumped him a guaranteed $600K. That's nothing. Like I said, it just happened with Larry Drew a couple of months ago. Its what happens when someone is made the head coach following a firing.

The thing I guess to be upset about is that they didn't just keep the "interim" tag on him up front. But once they made him the head coach, this step was basically automatic. The fact that he's only basically guaranteed next year at this associate head coach salary tells you a lot about the lack of commitment here.

[DuckIII]

What has Boylen done to deserve a raise? They have been worse with him than Fred.

Its SOP. It just happened in Cleveland as well. He's the head coach now, so he has more responsibility and is paid more. And he's still being paid almost nothing as far as head coaches go.

He's making 1.6 million now. The most recent list I could find of NBA head coaching salaries was a couple of years old, and he'd still be by far the lowest paid at that rate. There is no significance to this.

It wasn't SOP in Cleveland. Larry Drew ran a public and private campaign to pry that new contract loose. Christ.

He did that because they were trying to screw him out of what is expected to happen. I can see you are fired up about this. So I'll just leave the discussion alone.

[HomoSapien]

Duck's making a good contribution here. When this story first broke, it was being implied that the Bulls gave Boylen an extra year to his contract that didn't exist. Since then, we've learned that all they did was give him a salary raise to his existing contract. That in itself isn't a big deal, and to be upset about that is petty. It's a goodwill gesture on the Bulls behalf.

That said, I don't trust this franchise at all, and don't understand why this would leak right after a 40 point loss. I expect Boylen to be back next year. Like Duck said, the mistake here was not giving Boylen an interim tag.

[DuckIII]

Lol I and a bunch of others said he would remain and here we are.

Read the rest of the thread.

I did and I'm not falling for any of it. This is about Jerry insuring he pays the minimum for a coach next year and will not be looking for another coach. This isn't about "flexibility" like Woj suggests in his tweet. You may disagree and that's fine.

I'm definitely not suggesting I think the Bulls are going to fire Boylan after this year. I definitely think they might keep him on the cheap next year. I'm just saying this deal doesn't make it any more or less likely.