Source: Bulls give Jim Boylen salary bump, deal through at least next season

[HomoSapien]

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I did and I'm not falling for any of it. This is about Jerry insuring he pays the minimum for a coach next year and will not be looking for another coach. This isn't about "flexibility" like Woj suggests in his tweet. You may disagree and that's fine.

I'm definitely not suggesting I think the Bulls are going to fire Boylan after this year. I definitely think they might keep him on the cheap next year. I'm just saying this deal doesn't make it any more or less likely.

Maybe, maybe not. If his cheap contract is driving this, then making his contract more expensive makes it less likely to fire him, right?

[HomoSapien]

For what it's worth, here's the original quote that sent everyone spinning:

A team source told the Sun-Times on Saturday that Boylen has not only received a bump in pay since he took over from Fred Hoiberg on Dec. 3, but that bump includes him receiving “a contract beyond this year.’’

[AKfanatic]

I assumed Boylen would be replaced next season barring an incredible coaching job this season

Nothing about his contract changes my opinion on that one.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Its SOP. It just happened in Cleveland as well. He's the head coach now, so he has more responsibility and is paid more. And he's still being paid almost nothing as far as head coaches go.

He's making 1.6 million now. The most recent list I could find of NBA head coaching salaries was a couple of years old, and he'd still be by far the lowest paid at that rate. There is no significance to this.

It wasn't SOP in Cleveland. Larry Drew ran a public and private campaign to pry that new contract loose. Christ.

He did that because they were trying to screw him out of what is expected to happen. I can see you are fired up about this. So I'll just leave the discussion alone.

I’ll simmer. I suppose what I resented was your certainty that you were right when there’s lots to suggest otherwise. Let’s reboot.

-The increase wasn’t SOP in Cleveland otherwise Drew wouldn’t have had to fight for it
-The increase wasn’t SOP in Chicago otherwise the FO wouldn’t have waited 5 weeks
-Pax made it clear he was likely to retain Boylen next season if he performed in 2018-19
-The latest reporting says Boylen’s increase was conditional on performance
-That the Bulls didn’t negotiate a market rate extension with Boylen doesn’t signal a lack of commitment; there was no world in which that was gonna to happen — meanwhile lots of other signs point to the likelihood he’s retained

So I guess I don’t understand your confidence that this was going to happen regardless of Boylen’s prospects for next season.

[Payt10]

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If you're enjoying skipping the games this year, this is great news as this means you've now got another 87 free nights next year too!

I've already decided, unless they get Zion Williamson, I'm not going to watch next year if he's still the coach. Player development will continue to take a hit with every game that idiot is there for.

[Jcool0]

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[DuckIII]

I did and I'm not falling for any of it. This is about Jerry insuring he pays the minimum for a coach next year and will not be looking for another coach. This isn't about "flexibility" like Woj suggests in his tweet. You may disagree and that's fine.

I'm definitely not suggesting I think the Bulls are going to fire Boylan after this year. I definitely think they might keep him on the cheap next year. I'm just saying this deal doesn't make it any more or less likely.

Maybe, maybe not. If his cheap contract is driving this, then making his contract more expensive makes it less likely to fire him, right?

Yes. Definitely. Hence all of my posts about this signifying a lack of commitment, if anything. But I wouldn't put it past them to keep him on the cheap for another year if they realize they aren't making a jump next season.

[TheStig]

This is fantastic! Go stealth tank go!

[TheGOATRises007]

Dark days.

[TheStig]

I did and I'm not falling for any of it. This is about Jerry insuring he pays the minimum for a coach next year and will not be looking for another coach. This isn't about "flexibility" like Woj suggests in his tweet. You may disagree and that's fine.

I'm definitely not suggesting I think the Bulls are going to fire Boylan after this year. I definitely think they might keep him on the cheap next year. I'm just saying this deal doesn't make it any more or less likely.

Maybe, maybe not. If his cheap contract is driving this, then making his contract more expensive makes it less likely to fire him, right?

Our FO's reasoning: If only he had a training camp

[DuckIII]

It wasn't SOP in Cleveland. Larry Drew ran a public and private campaign to pry that new contract loose. Christ.

He did that because they were trying to screw him out of what is expected to happen. I can see you are fired up about this. So I'll just leave the discussion alone.

I’ll simmer. I suppose what I resented was your certainty that you were right when there’s lots to suggest otherwise. Let’s reboot.

-The increase wasn’t SOP in Cleveland otherwise Drew wouldn’t have had to fight for it
-The increase wasn’t SOP in Chicago otherwise the FO wouldn’t have waited 5 weeks
-Pax made it clear he was likely to retain Boylen next season if he performed in 2018-19
-The latest reporting says Boylen’s increase was conditional on performance
-That the Bulls didn’t negotiate a market rate extension with Boylen doesn’t signal a lack of commitment; there was no world in which that was gonna to happen — meanwhile lots of other signs point to the likelihood he’s retained

So I guess I don’t understand your confidence that this was going to happen regardless of Boylen’s prospects for next season.

I'm only certain that it doesn't signify any sort of commitment, and in fact suggests the opposite. If this signified any sort of commitment, they would have guaranteed him additional money next year. They didn't. That way they aren't penalized financially for firing him and hiring a new head coach. Had they guaranteed him extra money next year at a legitimate head coaching rate, it would have created a financial penalty if they fired him.

But sure, they might let him coach next year. Always a possibility.

[Dan Z]

Sucks for development. I can’t believe how inept this franchise is.

That's what I hate most about this news. If I felt like he was good (or even great) at player development then I'd be fine with it.

I also think that at this point he's not looked at in a good light around the league. What player will go "Hey I want to play for Jim Boylen" and then sign with us?

[Jo Jo English]

F***ing clickbait RealGM headlines nearly had me until I saw the Woj tweet.

Thread could use a title change:

Yeah, I can understand that. I did just copy/paste the Sun-Times article title though. I had my own thoughts when I first saw it, but I tried to be relatively nuetral by not commenting when I posted it.

If a mod wants to edit the title that would obviously be cool with me.

[MAQ]

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Basically what I said. I figured. A lot of over-reacting in this thread. The Bulls aren't locking themselves into anything meaningful or showing any sort of genuine commitment to Boylen here. Take a deep breath.

I dunno Duck. Word was out during Hoiberg's firing that Boylen was being retained after this year.

And then we have this. Why guarantee him any amount of money for next year if you plan on firing him? We know thats not how this team operates.

[MisterRoy]

Stacy said on Twitter this is normal since it's a promotion. We have him signed through next year.


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[DuckIII]

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Basically what I said. I figured. A lot of over-reacting in this thread. The Bulls aren't locking themselves into anything meaningful or showing any sort of genuine commitment to Boylen here. Take a deep breath.

I dunno Duck. Word was out during Hoiberg's firing that Boylen was being retained after this year.

And then we have this. Why guarantee him any amount of money for next year if you plan on firing him? We know thats not how this team operates.

If you put the reports together, they didn't guarantee him extra money next year. Its been structured to only guaranty him what he was already making next year so that there is no financial downside to firing him. He already had a contract next year for nearly $1 million.

[MAQ]

I think any commitment to Boylen is a massive mistake and it seems like giving him a pay increase on his contract next year solidifies him returning next year (which they have already told us they want to have happen).

It's one thing to hear that at the presser introducing him. It's another thing to see action liking this into place for next year after the disastrous 5 weeks on the job.

[cool007]

Just when I thought you can't be even dumber. I guess there is no end to the dumbness in the Bulls land.

The only way this front office will learn is when every bulls fan boycott and don't go to the stadium to watch the game. This front office deserves 0 (ZERO) fans at UC in the game.

Mind blown.

[DanTown8587]

For a franchise that valued 3.5 million dollars so much that they traded a fairly high 2nd at the start of a rebuild, I question why the franchise giving any extra money to him if it wasn't signaling their intention for next year.

I'm headed to law school next year so I can say with 100% certainty that if he's back, even with Zion, I won't be.

[DuckIII]

I think any commitment to Boylen is a massive mistake and it seems like giving him a pay increase on his contract next year solidifies him returning next year (which they have already told us they want to have happen).

It's one thing to hear that at the presser introducing him. It's another thing to see action liking this into place for next year after the disastrous 5 weeks on the job.

That the pay increase for next year isn't guaranteed, is the key fact really.