Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3

[thelarrybirdx]

Not really.

I mean, Hardaway and Lee contracts are bad anyway (not really bad but still) so clearing them is a good thing for the Knicks and helps them tank anyway.

As far as moving Porzingis that’s an extremely smart move.

There has been tension between both parties for a while now and the WORST thing they could do (which they would’ve had to do) is maxing him without seeing him play.

This is a 7”3 guy who hasn’t exactly been perfectly healthy coming off an ACL.

Yeah he COULD come back really good but this essentially shifts that risk onto another franchise now.

They likely have KD already.

Trying to figure out why KD would want to go to NY? GS is opening the new arena. The NY media will destroy him. It’ll be more pressure to prove he can win without
a super team. Cali weather to NY weather. Take less money. Idk I get it’s a big market and all.. but I just don’t see the appeal.

I mean if winning titles was his biggest priority, he'd stay with GSW. Doesn't take a lot of brain power to figure out why he'd want to play in New York.

[CSL_1904]

Trying to figure out why KD would want to go to NY? GS is opening the new arena. The NY media will destroy him. It’ll be more pressure to prove he can win without
a super team. Cali weather to NY weather. Take less money. Idk I get it’s a big market and all.. but I just don’t see the appeal.

To prove he can win outside of Golden State? I mean, he would have a chance. They could even form a superteam in NY, but even if it's just him and KD, that's good enough to have a real chance, in part because Golden State would be a lot more beatablle with just the original big3 without the roster depth they had before KD arrived.

If he can win a title in NY it would take is legacy to another level. It's the biggest market in the country.

That sounds like LeBron at best who may do that.

KD is a person who wants to be given a ring and never have to put effort in it.

Doubt he'd want to be the man anywhere or have the burden of speaking to the media. Hell he's emotionally shattered just using twitter while being on the Warriors.

I could see him going to the Lakers to be LeBron's butler, or staying in GS and hiding behind Curry. But I can't see him ever trying again in his career or going somehwere where he's put in the spotlight as the main person for it's failure or success.

He cares about his legacy and what people think about him. That's the reason behind the burner accounts. I think he doesn't wanna go out as the guy who could only win by joining a 73 win team.

[celticfan42487]

To prove he can win outside of Golden State? I mean, he would have a chance. They could even form a superteam in NY, but even if it's just him and KD, that's good enough to have a real chance, in part because Golden State would be a lot more beatablle with just the original big3 without the roster depth they had before KD arrived.

If he can win a title in NY it would take is legacy to another level. It's the biggest market in the country.

That sounds like LeBron at best who may do that.

KD is a person who wants to be given a ring and never have to put effort in it.

Doubt he'd want to be the man anywhere or have the burden of speaking to the media. Hell he's emotionally shattered just using twitter while being on the Warriors.

I could see him going to the Lakers to be LeBron's butler, or staying in GS and hiding behind Curry. But I can't see him ever trying again in his career or going somehwere where he's put in the spotlight as the main person for it's failure or success.

He cares about his legacy and what people think about him. That's the reason behind the burner accounts. I think he doesn't wanna go out as the guy who could only win by joining a 73 win team.

He is softer than dog **** and can't handle any criticism.

He already did it for years in OKC and knows that he'll not make it in NY.

The point of the Twitter accounts is because he just wants to be loved and coddled and can't believe he gets criticism for running and hiding.

This isn't someone strong and looking to lead a team and have the burden of when it fails be his fault. He's not going to a market like that as the leading man of a franchise.

Now if he can be convinced that they'll be able to beat the Warriors, then sure he'll come along for the ride. But that's almost certainly going to be impossible.

[leper-con]

The annoying part here is that Kyrie ,who is friends with AD hasn't come out and spoken up about Boston ,the team, the city or the coach.

I'm hoping he has personally and kept it out of the media.

[ajones9219]

The annoying part here is that Kyrie ,who is friends with AD hasn't come out and spoken up about Boston ,the team, the city or the coach.

I'm hoping he has personally and kept it out of the media.

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2018/10/5/17942538/la-lakers-free-agent-rumors-anthony-davis-spoken-to-kyrie-irving-boston-celtics-trade

[Marvel]

Don't know if this has been posted already but this is next level:

Watch on YouTube

Like it's written in stone or some ****.

[soxfan2003]

Not really.

I mean, Hardaway and Lee contracts are bad anyway (not really bad but still) so clearing them is a good thing for the Knicks and helps them tank anyway.

As far as moving Porzingis that’s an extremely smart move.

There has been tension between both parties for a while now and the WORST thing they could do (which they would’ve had to do) is maxing him without seeing him play.

This is a 7”3 guy who hasn’t exactly been perfectly healthy coming off an ACL.

Yeah he COULD come back really good but this essentially shifts that risk onto another franchise now.

They likely have KD already.

Trying to figure out why KD would want to go to NY? GS is opening the new arena. The NY media will destroy him. It’ll be more pressure to prove he can win without
a super team. Cali weather to NY weather. Take less money. Idk I get it’s a big market and all.. but I just don’t see the appeal.

I think I understand it even though I am certainly not in his shoes.

First of all, legacy. He gets the Knicks to the NBA finals and loses and that may be better for his NBA legacy than let's say winning 5 titles with the Warriors. Since it is NY and the Knicks are the big franchise there and since they haven't won since 1973 or something like that, winning a championship in NY from a legacy standpoint might be like Lebron winning in Cleveland.

I think KD's finals MVPs are somewhat not as impressive as some others or the stats may suggest in the sense that Curry and Klay open up the court so much for him -- historically great spacing --, that it really becomes fairly easy for any HOF great wing to pick his spots and take advantage of an overextended defense.

As for the weather, you have to remember, Manhattan NY weather not quite as bad as Boston weather. Another big point is NBA player are on the road quite often so for the ones who are not married, the weather isn't that big of a deal unless they are super into something like golf and want to play as much as possible during NBA season. And the other point is from what I have seen a good deal of Warriors star players live in the East Bay in homes that offer more space.

I am not a big time fan of NYC/Manhattan since I kind of think it has too many people and it is a city that is relatively "hard to escape" but in terms of cleanliness and what it offers, it is certainly superior to San Francisco -- the city itself. Once you get outside of Manhattan/San Francisco, the bay area has some real advantages if you like the outdoors. KD may be at the stage of his life that he wouldn't mind actually living in a big city. And if that is the case, I think if you are mega rich, NYC offers a lot.

If you want to live outside of a city in a huge mansion with a huge lawn, outdoor pool of your own, I think NYC relatively speaking is a bad option probably because of horrific traffic. Under that scenario, I would rather be in Boston, LA, Bay area et cetera.

https://www.sfgate.com/warriors/article/New-video-series-shows-Kevin-Durant-Bay-Area-home-11078868.php

Anyways, KD is single with perhaps a girlfriend that grew up on the East Coast so living in NYC seems like a great option if you can buy a super nice apartment for 25 million which KD obviously can and just live there for a while.

[leper-con]

The annoying part here is that Kyrie ,who is friends with AD hasn't come out and spoken up about Boston ,the team, the city or the coach.

I'm hoping he has personally and kept it out of the media.

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2018/10/5/17942538/la-lakers-free-agent-rumors-anthony-davis-spoken-to-kyrie-irving-boston-celtics-trade

looks like an old article from October. Kyrie needs to get in his ear again.

[djFan71]

Mavs picks are top 10 protected so in the neighborhood of the Kings pick and worse than the Memphis picks value.

The first one (2021 or later) is unprotected. The 2nd is top 10.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

2021 first round draft pick from Dallas
Two years after Dallas conveys a 1st round pick to Atlanta, Dallas' 1st round pick to New York (this pick will therefore convey unprotected in 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 or 2025) [Dallas-New York, 1/31/2019]

2023 first round draft pick from Dallas
At least four years after Dallas conveys a 1st round pick to Atlanta, Dallas' 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-10 in 2023, 1-10 in 2024 and 1-10 in 2025; if Dallas has not conveyed this 1st round pick to New York by 2025 (the second of two potential 1st round picks), then Dallas will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick to New York [Dallas-New York, 1/31/2019]

[ajones9219]

The annoying part here is that Kyrie ,who is friends with AD hasn't come out and spoken up about Boston ,the team, the city or the coach.

I'm hoping he has personally and kept it out of the media.

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2018/10/5/17942538/la-lakers-free-agent-rumors-anthony-davis-spoken-to-kyrie-irving-boston-celtics-trade

looks like an old article from October. Kyrie needs to get in his ear again.

Yeah just meant that as in it's not like he's never broached the subject

[djFan71]

Insider dude thinks 70% Celtics, 29% Knicks, 1% field. Speculates that Barrett as valuable as Tatum, and that Knicks can still beat us with #2 pick, but toast if picks comes in 4 or later.

I kind of agree.

Depends on what the Pels think of Barrett or Morant because other than that, the Knicks have zilch

Top 5 pick, Knox, Ntilikina, DSJ, Mitchell, and both Mavs 1st rounders is a solid offer if the pick comes in 2nd or 3rd, and probably unbeatable if it comes in #1.

That's pretty much the godfather rebuild package. Top 5 pick, future unprotected and top 10 protected firsts from a team with one young star and a 7'3" injury prone 2nd star, some good Knicks prospects and the opportunity to tank your own pick this and next year too? That's Danny/Hinkie level assets.

Need to get someone AD's dad knows get mugged in NYC or something....

[chakdaddy]

2/3 things about the Lakers.

- It's worrisome that the rejection is just lowball offers. Maybe they bite on Ingram/Ball/Kuzma/Hart/picks. Including both Ingram and Ball actually helps the Lakers clear a little cap space.

- Still doesn't beat the Celtics or Knicks packages; does New Orleans have salary worth dumping in addition? Only Holiday. They should demand a Nash/Garnett type package of 3 #1s. (Note: the fact that Brian Cardinal was not dumped in the Gasol trade, PROVES that Memphis/Jerry West colluded to give the Lakers the best deal possible.)

- I think the rental thing is a bluff!! Are the Lakers really going to burn another year of LeBron's lifespan preserving cap space with stopgap contracts?? They're going to use their space on someone big and won't have space for 2020. They're really over a barrel to get him this summer. But might be better off signing a FA and keeping space. LeBron/AD/MLE/no picks vs LeBron/Kawhi/Ball/Ingram/Hart/picks?

- Pels have the Lakers over a barrel with pressure to get their best offer now - but there's not much reason for them to do anything until the summer. But again, the same applied to Gasol.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Not really.

I mean, Hardaway and Lee contracts are bad anyway (not really bad but still) so clearing them is a good thing for the Knicks and helps them tank anyway.

As far as moving Porzingis that’s an extremely smart move.

There has been tension between both parties for a while now and the WORST thing they could do (which they would’ve had to do) is maxing him without seeing him play.

This is a 7”3 guy who hasn’t exactly been perfectly healthy coming off an ACL.

Yeah he COULD come back really good but this essentially shifts that risk onto another franchise now.

They likely have KD already.

Trying to figure out why KD would want to go to NY? GS is opening the new arena. The NY media will destroy him. It’ll be more pressure to prove he can win without
a super team. Cali weather to NY weather. Take less money. Idk I get it’s a big market and all.. but I just don’t see the appeal.

Well, for what it's worth, Rich Kleiman, KD's agent, grew up a Knicks fan and has lobbied for the Knicks GM job openly on Bill Simmons' podcast. Rumor going around is that if he helps deliver KD to the Knicks, Kleiman will get a front office job there.

As for KD - I think he realizes that winning rings hasn't done anything for his legacy. Only way to rehabilitate his image is to compete on a team with lesser teammates, similar to Lebron in 2016. And since it's NYC, KD doesn't even need to win. Look at Ewing and Bernard King. Never won, but still beloved. Even Melo and Amare still get ovations when they visit the Garden. KD has nothing to lose if he goes to the Knicks.

Let's say that the Knicks only get the 4th pick. Let's also say that Kyrie doesn't come. Chances are good that KD can still get Butler or Kemba to come. Still a playoff team. Not bad.

[leper-con]

With 5 more days the pressure is going to continue to increase on the Lakers.
tick tock tick tock on the trade deadline. Let's see what the next trick up Klutch sports is.
or will AD SR. double down?

[sam_I_am]

They likely have KD already.

Trying to figure out why KD would want to go to NY? GS is opening the new arena. The NY media will destroy him. It’ll be more pressure to prove he can win without
a super team. Cali weather to NY weather. Take less money. Idk I get it’s a big market and all.. but I just don’t see the appeal.

Well, for what it's worth, Rich Kleiman, KD's agent, grew up a Knicks fan and has lobbied for the Knicks GM job openly on Bill Simmons' podcast. Rumor going around is that if he helps deliver KD to the Knicks, Kleiman will get a front office job there.

As for KD - I think he realizes that winning rings hasn't done anything for his legacy. Only way to rehabilitate his image is to compete on a team with lesser teammates, similar to Lebron in 2016. And since it's NYC, KD doesn't even need to win. Look at Ewing and Bernard King. Never won, but still beloved. Even Melo and Amare still get ovations when they visit the Garden. KD has nothing to lose if he goes to the Knicks.

Let's say that the Knicks only get the 4th pick. Let's also say that Kyrie doesn't come. Chances are good that KD can still get Butler or Kemba to come. Still a playoff team. Not bad.

Winning championships has done EVERYTHING for Durant’s legacy. 10 years from now after dozens of players ditch the team that drafted them, nobody will care that Durant left OKC to join a loaded team. If he goes to NyK to play for a Dolan owned team, he is a damn fool.

[FutureIsGreen]

The annoying part here is that Kyrie ,who is friends with AD hasn't come out and spoken up about Boston ,the team, the city or the coach.

I'm hoping he has personally and kept it out of the media.

Exactly, it was bait to try to get Kyrie to tamper by saying he's committing so Davis can come. Kyrie knows that. That's why he replied as he did.

[jfs1000d]

They likely have KD already.

Trying to figure out why KD would want to go to NY? GS is opening the new arena. The NY media will destroy him. It’ll be more pressure to prove he can win without
a super team. Cali weather to NY weather. Take less money. Idk I get it’s a big market and all.. but I just don’t see the appeal.

I think I understand it even though I am certainly not in his shoes.

First of all, legacy. He gets the Knicks to the NBA finals and loses and that may be better for his NBA legacy than let's say winning 5 titles with the Warriors. Since it is NY and the Knicks are the big franchise there and since they haven't won since 1973 or something like that, winning a championship in NY from a legacy standpoint might be like Lebron winning in Cleveland.

I think KD's finals MVPs are somewhat not as impressive as some others or the stats may suggest in the sense that Curry and Klay open up the court so much for him -- historically great spacing --, that it really becomes fairly easy for any HOF great wing to pick his spots and take advantage of an overextended defense.

As for the weather, you have to remember, Manhattan NY weather not quite as bad as Boston weather. Another big point is NBA player are on the road quite often so for the ones who are not married, the weather isn't that big of a deal unless they are super into something like golf and want to play as much as possible during NBA season. And the other point is from what I have seen a good deal of Warriors star players live in the East Bay in homes that offer more space.

I am not a big time fan of NYC/Manhattan since I kind of think it has too many people and it is a city that is relatively "hard to escape" but in terms of cleanliness and what it offers, it is certainly superior to San Francisco -- the city itself. Once you get outside of Manhattan/San Francisco, the bay area has some real advantages if you like the outdoors. KD may be at the stage of his life that he wouldn't mind actually living in a big city. And if that is the case, I think if you are mega rich, NYC offers a lot.

If you want to live outside of a city in a huge mansion with a huge lawn, outdoor pool of your own, I think NYC relatively speaking is a bad option probably because of horrific traffic. Under that scenario, I would rather be in Boston, LA, Bay area et cetera.

https://www.sfgate.com/warriors/article/New-video-series-shows-Kevin-Durant-Bay-Area-home-11078868.php

Anyways, KD is single with perhaps a girlfriend that grew up on the East Coast so living in NYC seems like a great option if you can buy a super nice apartment for 25 million which KD obviously can and just live there for a while.

$25 million apartment! Even for KD that may be a stretch. And before you tell me he has made $200 million plus...taxes, and his income drops off a cliff when he retires.

I think he sells settle for a $10 million home.


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[FutureIsGreen]

Whose legacy is greater right now? Between Curry, Klay, Durant, and LeBron Is say it's a pretty close race. Next few years will tell. 3 of them will stay a tie and Bron cant beat them.

So next thought is, who can assemble a new team that can beat the other 3? In order to prove they were the most important. Bron Hopes a title with a 3rd team will cement his, but the other 3, well we just know one has to break off to prove it was himself and not the others to cement his legacy by beating the other 2 without him.

That is why Durant or Klay leaves. This is Curry and Klays team. Not Durant's. He knows that. Cant go to LA and help Bron, so Knicks it is. Not with Kyrie or Davis. Maybe Kawhi, maybe Cousins. With Cousins it would be Durant's team. And a chance to take out Curry, Klay and Bron.

Not to say it'll be the Knicks for sure, maybe somewhere else, but it'll be Durant to bail, we already know that. Back to OKC wouldn't shock me either.

[Fencer reregistered]

Trying to figure out why KD would want to go to NY? GS is opening the new arena. The NY media will destroy him. It’ll be more pressure to prove he can win without
a super team. Cali weather to NY weather. Take less money. Idk I get it’s a big market and all.. but I just don’t see the appeal.

I think I understand it even though I am certainly not in his shoes.

First of all, legacy. He gets the Knicks to the NBA finals and loses and that may be better for his NBA legacy than let's say winning 5 titles with the Warriors. Since it is NY and the Knicks are the big franchise there and since they haven't won since 1973 or something like that, winning a championship in NY from a legacy standpoint might be like Lebron winning in Cleveland.

I think KD's finals MVPs are somewhat not as impressive as some others or the stats may suggest in the sense that Curry and Klay open up the court so much for him -- historically great spacing --, that it really becomes fairly easy for any HOF great wing to pick his spots and take advantage of an overextended defense.

As for the weather, you have to remember, Manhattan NY weather not quite as bad as Boston weather. Another big point is NBA player are on the road quite often so for the ones who are not married, the weather isn't that big of a deal unless they are super into something like golf and want to play as much as possible during NBA season. And the other point is from what I have seen a good deal of Warriors star players live in the East Bay in homes that offer more space.

I am not a big time fan of NYC/Manhattan since I kind of think it has too many people and it is a city that is relatively "hard to escape" but in terms of cleanliness and what it offers, it is certainly superior to San Francisco -- the city itself. Once you get outside of Manhattan/San Francisco, the bay area has some real advantages if you like the outdoors. KD may be at the stage of his life that he wouldn't mind actually living in a big city. And if that is the case, I think if you are mega rich, NYC offers a lot.

If you want to live outside of a city in a huge mansion with a huge lawn, outdoor pool of your own, I think NYC relatively speaking is a bad option probably because of horrific traffic. Under that scenario, I would rather be in Boston, LA, Bay area et cetera.

https://www.sfgate.com/warriors/article/New-video-series-shows-Kevin-Durant-Bay-Area-home-11078868.php

Anyways, KD is single with perhaps a girlfriend that grew up on the East Coast so living in NYC seems like a great option if you can buy a super nice apartment for 25 million which KD obviously can and just live there for a while.

$25 million apartment! Even for KD that may be a stretch. And before you tell me he has made $200 million plus...taxes, and his income drops off a cliff when he retires.

I think he sells settle for a $10 million home.


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I don't know that he needs to spend $25 million, but it would be what -- 60% of a year's earnings? OK, he has a short career of high earnings -- but it is 10 years plus. So what multiplier should we put on that percentage? 4? So is it crazy for somebody on a more normal earnings progression to buy a home for 2 1/2x annual income?

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Trying to figure out why KD would want to go to NY? GS is opening the new arena. The NY media will destroy him. It’ll be more pressure to prove he can win without
a super team. Cali weather to NY weather. Take less money. Idk I get it’s a big market and all.. but I just don’t see the appeal.

Well, for what it's worth, Rich Kleiman, KD's agent, grew up a Knicks fan and has lobbied for the Knicks GM job openly on Bill Simmons' podcast. Rumor going around is that if he helps deliver KD to the Knicks, Kleiman will get a front office job there.

As for KD - I think he realizes that winning rings hasn't done anything for his legacy. Only way to rehabilitate his image is to compete on a team with lesser teammates, similar to Lebron in 2016. And since it's NYC, KD doesn't even need to win. Look at Ewing and Bernard King. Never won, but still beloved. Even Melo and Amare still get ovations when they visit the Garden. KD has nothing to lose if he goes to the Knicks.

Let's say that the Knicks only get the 4th pick. Let's also say that Kyrie doesn't come. Chances are good that KD can still get Butler or Kemba to come. Still a playoff team. Not bad.

Winning championships has done EVERYTHING for Durant’s legacy. 10 years from now after dozens of players ditch the team that drafted them, nobody will care that Durant left OKC to join a loaded team. If he goes to NyK to play for a Dolan owned team, he is a damn fool.

Not really. Durant will have 3 rings and possibly 3 Finals MVPs after this season, but does anyone really consider him a top 10 all-time player?? I don't think so. Look at Kobe - he had 3 rings and everyone said it was because of Shaq. He got more respect for winning 2 more without Shaq. I think this is the kind of redemption KD is seeking.