Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3

[Feed Your Head]

Since 1980, every NBA team's that's won the title had at least one of these guys -- Curry, Lebron, Duncan, Nowitzki, Garnett, Kobe, Shaq, Jordan, Hakeem, Isiah Thomas, Magic, Bird. With the exception of the 2004 Pistons. Depending on who you ask, those 12 players might be among the top 50 all-time players.

So yeah, why wouldn't we want to add a generational talent like Anthony Davis? It's no guarantee that having one wins you a title but it sure makes the task easier. Pair Davis with one of the most prolific and clutch scorers of our generation (both just entering their primes) and you've got a perennial contender in your hands.

Well unless your crystal ball told you Tatum is turning into SF version of Tim Duncan and Brown into the next Scottie Pippen, I'm siding with the people who will give up their first born for AD.

I want titles geddemmit and not just ECF appearances.

I argued this with ViperGTS when he said staying the course like the Warriors or Spurs did is the smart play. They could afford to stay the course because they both had or have guys that will go down as top 15 players ever.

I don't mean to be a dick about it, and everyone knows how i feel about Smart and Tatum....but it's a no brainer for AD. That said, I would love to trade Morris/Rozier for Isaac/Augustin then use their contracts alomg with Tatum/Jaylen, that way we can keep Smart.

[ViperGTS]

What superstar ever got a fair value in return?

The last superstar traded that I can even recall was shaq. A solid return but really nothing to brag about.

Exactly. Yet people here have Jaylen, Jayson, picks, and whatever else out the door. Sac pick, maybe Memphis and Jaylen. Thats it.

"Maybe Memphis." LMAO.

This is a truly legendary shtick you have running.

Yeah because I’m trying to balance out the insanity that most here are espousing. See how dumb that was? Of course it would take the Memphis pick. Plus a couple of the 4 first rounders this year. What I’m saying is the offer will be less than Tatum and everything else. It always is, always will be.

[Feed Your Head]

What superstar ever got a fair value in return?

The last superstar traded that I can even recall was shaq. A solid return but really nothing to brag about.

Shaq was already up there in age. AD is 25, and is signed for another season. Do you think that Lakers offer is the best offer NO will get? I can assure you it won't be.

Yes it is. Again, does a player have more value at the deadline or in the summer? Meaning, do you give up more or less now versus July?

Danny 100% will give up Tatum for AD, so no that Lakers package won't be the best. Just accept it.

[The Corey's]

Unreal? Like Cave said, all the Lakers can offer is side dishes, and the Pelicans want a main course.

Ingram could be pretty good, but he's in that Jaylen tier. Ball is a good defensive roleplayer, and Kuzma is an empty stat bum. Their draft picks would be late 20s. Unreal my ass.

What superstar ever got a fair value in return?

The last superstar traded that I can even recall was shaq. A solid return but really nothing to brag about.

Shaq was already up there in age. AD is 25, and is signed for another season. Do you think that Lakers offer is the best offer NO will get? I can assure you it won't be.

So your saying that in the modern league its unprecedented for a superstar to be traded and thus a unprecedented return is in order? What did Kareem pull? Wilt?

I know Davis is good. He has great numbers. But zero final appearances, zero times you legit thought he could drag a team there.

Dont forget the zero mvps, also one thing everyone really ignoring is he is a walking injury. Worse than Irving and Irving takes his fair share of games off.

Celtic fans are throwing the pels everything and not doing the smart thing and negotiating from a position of strength.

If they want 4 first round picks at number 28 with that trio of trash then the deal is already done, today, not in July.

So they value Tatum above those guys? Great, they should. Does that mean we give them what they want? Ya, I tend to say hell no.

[ViperGTS]

Since 1980, every NBA team's that's won the title had at least one of these guys -- Curry, Lebron, Duncan, Nowitzki, Garnett, Kobe, Shaq, Jordan, Hakeem, Isiah Thomas, Magic, Bird. With the exception of the 2004 Pistons. Depending on who you ask, those 12 players might be among the top 50 all-time players.

So yeah, why wouldn't we want to add a generational talent like Anthony Davis? It's no guarantee that having one wins you a title but it sure makes the task easier. Pair Davis with one of the most prolific and clutch scorers of our generation (both just entering their primes) and you've got a perennial contender in your hands.

Well unless your crystal ball told you Tatum is turning into SF version of Tim Duncan and Brown into the next Scottie Pippen, I'm siding with the people who will give up their first born for AD.

I want titles geddemmit and not just ECF appearances.

I argued this with ViperGTS when he said staying the course like the Warriors or Spurs did is the smart play. They could afford to stay the course because they both had or have guys that will go down as top 15 players ever.

I don't mean to be a dick about it, and everyone knows how i feel about Smart and Tatum....but it's a no brainer for AD. That said, I would love to trade Morris/Rozier for Isaac/Augustin then use their contracts alomg with Tatum/Jaylen, that way we can keep Smart.

Duncan with the Spurs fine. But yeah,the Dubs with Curry, Draymond, Klay et al were ticketed to have top 15 all time players out of that group right? I mean when they were drafted the everyone said, watch out! HoFers were just drafted right? You just don’t ever know, but with Stevens and this ownership group they may not have HoFers but they just might have title teams.

[ConstableGeneva]

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[brackdan70]

It at least on the surface seems the Pels don’t value Ball, Kuzma, Ingram all that much. I think it is the right move to wait until the offseason. Aside from the Cs other teams will have more flexibility as well to put together an offer.

Lakers are saying they won’t put that offer back on the table but I am sure they would.

[ViperGTS]

Shaq was already up there in age. AD is 25, and is signed for another season. Do you think that Lakers offer is the best offer NO will get? I can assure you it won't be.

Yes it is. Again, does a player have more value at the deadline or in the summer? Meaning, do you give up more or less now versus July?

Danny 100% will give up Tatum for AD, so no that Lakers package won't be the best. Just accept it.

You can’t know that. I haven’t seen any reports of that. I have seen “hopeful” and “maybe”. And good on LA for pushing back. What do you have left it you trade all these assets for AD when he bolts for LA?

[sully00]

You're essentially sitting a player who is healthy and wants to play. That isn't a good look for the league.

No difference between Anthony Davis, Carmelo Anthony, JR Smith. AD has made himself the villain the team didn't do anything. The union may try to grieve it but essentially Davis violated the CBA there is no defense.

I don't think JR cares if he plays or not. He wanted out. Melo? Well, he was going to get benched because he was hurting the team more than helping them. But AD is a top 5 player. If the Pels sit him but he wants to play, the Players Union is going to get involved.

They can try but there is really nothing that can be done it is up to the team who to dress and who to play as long as they pay the man. Look at Kanter.

[LuckyLeprechaun]

Since 1980, every NBA team's that's won the title had at least one of these guys -- Curry, Lebron, Duncan, Nowitzki, Garnett, Kobe, Shaq, Jordan, Hakeem, Isiah Thomas, Magic, Bird. With the exception of the 2004 Pistons. Depending on who you ask, those 12 players might be among the top 50 all-time players.

So yeah, why wouldn't we want to add a generational talent like Anthony Davis? It's no guarantee that having one wins you a title but it sure makes the task easier. Pair Davis with one of the most prolific and clutch scorers of our generation (both just entering their primes) and you've got a perennial contender in your hands.

Well unless your crystal ball told you Tatum is turning into SF version of Tim Duncan and Brown into the next Scottie Pippen, I'm siding with the people who will give up their first born for AD.

I want titles geddemmit and not just ECF appearances.

I argued this with ViperGTS when he said staying the course like the Warriors or Spurs did is the smart play. They could afford to stay the course because they both had or have guys that will go down as top 15 players ever.

I don't mean to be a dick about it, and everyone knows how i feel about Smart and Tatum....but it's a no brainer for AD. That said, I would love to trade Morris/Rozier for Isaac/Augustin then use their contracts alomg with Tatum/Jaylen, that way we can keep Smart.

Duncan with the Spurs fine. But yeah,the Dubs with Curry, Draymond, Klay et al were ticketed to have top 15 all time players out of that group right? I mean when they were drafted the everyone said, watch out! HoFers were just drafted right? You just don’t ever know, but with Stevens and this ownership group they may not have HoFers but they just might have title teams.

Ws guys are the exception, not the rule. For every guy that out plays their draft status, there's a dozen that never come close to reaching expectations.

[ViperGTS]

What superstar ever got a fair value in return?

The last superstar traded that I can even recall was shaq. A solid return but really nothing to brag about.

Shaq was already up there in age. AD is 25, and is signed for another season. Do you think that Lakers offer is the best offer NO will get? I can assure you it won't be.

So your saying that in the modern league its unprecedented for a superstar to be traded and thus a unprecedented return is in order? What did Kareem pull? Wilt?

I know Davis is good. He has great numbers. But zero final appearances, zero times you legit thought he could drag a team there.

Dont forget the zero mvps, also one thing everyone really ignoring is he is a walking injury. Worse than Irving and Irving takes his fair share of games off.

Celtic fans are throwing the pels everything and not doing the smart thing and negotiating from a position of strength.

If they want 4 first round picks at number 28 with that trio of trash then the deal is already done, today, not in July.

So they value Tatum above those guys? Great, they should. Does that mean we give them what they want? Ya, I tend to say hell no.

You are being sensible and acting like a businessman. That doesn’t fly here and frankly it shouldn’t because we are all fans and can believe what you want. I know that Wyc, Zarren and Ainge are smarter that and will do the best deal they can do without screwing up the future. If Danny trades the farm for AD and AD leaves? It negates the Nets trade and he likely would lose his job. So a lot is riding om this that most can't see. At some point you will get burned and if there was any player that looked like he will burn you it is AD.

[The Corey's]

Tatum will not be traded. For davis.

NOT CAUSE DANNY WOULDNT DO IT BUT BECAUSE HE DOESNT HAVE TO.

I dont get why anyone cant see that.

[ViperGTS]

I argued this with ViperGTS when he said staying the course like the Warriors or Spurs did is the smart play. They could afford to stay the course because they both had or have guys that will go down as top 15 players ever.

I don't mean to be a dick about it, and everyone knows how i feel about Smart and Tatum....but it's a no brainer for AD. That said, I would love to trade Morris/Rozier for Isaac/Augustin then use their contracts alomg with Tatum/Jaylen, that way we can keep Smart.

Duncan with the Spurs fine. But yeah,the Dubs with Curry, Draymond, Klay et al were ticketed to have top 15 all time players out of that group right? I mean when they were drafted the everyone said, watch out! HoFers were just drafted right? You just don’t ever know, but with Stevens and this ownership group they may not have HoFers but they just might have title teams.

Ws guys are the exception, not the rule. For every guy that out plays their draft status, there's a dozen that never come close to reaching expectations.

Agreed. My initial premise was SA and GS did it organically. Then it was spun to make it seem like they knew they had top 15 All Time players. They didn’t.

[JHTruth]

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LMAO at what AD thinks or likes ... so ready to see the NBA make an example of his brittle arse with regard to new ZERO tolerance tampering policies, let that be his legacy

WHAT A CHUMP

Yeah LMAO at what AD thinks.

Until he gets traded to Boston, Ainge blows his load and then AD bolts to LA in the offseason. Then people will care about what AD thinks as the reality of dark times ahead become reality. Now he is liking LA trade offers. And yet still, people here will trade everything for the dude. I haven't ever seen anything quite like it.

It is almost like these people are in denial. Might he change his mind? Sure anything can happen. Anything can happen also isn’t great and not what gets you to trade the farm.

IDK Celtics fans are SOOOOOO invested in AD at this point that they will literally do anything. I get it, he's a great player on paper and the kind of asset you save up pieces for. But literally no one considers the down-side risk, that he really DOESN'T want to come here and wants to go to LAL 150%.

I mean he's not a basketball playing robot that you just put some batteries into and he goes out onto the court for whichever team he's on. He's a real guy with real wants, feelings, and desires to exercise his power. I mean if guys like Kyrie can force their way to a better situation, why couldn't AD, one of the best players in the league?

[ViperGTS]

Tatum will not be traded. For davis.

NOT CAUSE DANNY WOULDNT DO IT BUT BECAUSE HE DOESNT HAVE TO.

I dont get why anyone cant see that.

Because the same people wanted to trade the same basic package for PG or Butler. I even said back then when AD comes available it will be like groundhog day.

They can’t see it because they don’t want to see it. They just want the player a to hell with the cost.

[Homerclease]

Tatum will not be traded. For davis.

NOT CAUSE DANNY WOULDNT DO IT BUT BECAUSE HE DOESNT HAVE TO.

I dont get why anyone cant see that.

Because he has to.

[Turgon]

I think the time is now to deal Morris for someone with 2 years left on their deal to include in this trade. Only way they keep Smart on the roster

Can also use MLE on a slob and make next year non-guaranteed. Big tax hit, though.

Not that much... Yet. It will grow worse with the repeater tax, but if we are going to be over the luxury tax this year it's not a couple million more that will make much difference. It's certainly worth it if it means we're able to keep Smart.

It honestly came to this for me: I'm comfortable with trading Brown and don't like but accept that we trade Tatum. But I really really would hate to lose Smart. That's the one guy I wouldn't want to see traded.

[CavemanDoctor]

Tatum will not be traded. For davis.

NOT CAUSE DANNY WOULDNT DO IT BUT BECAUSE HE DOESNT HAVE TO.

I dont get why anyone cant see that.

This summer Tatum will be a Pelican and AD will be a Celtic.

[ViperGTS]

LMAO at what AD thinks or likes ... so ready to see the NBA make an example of his brittle arse with regard to new ZERO tolerance tampering policies, let that be his legacy

WHAT A CHUMP

Yeah LMAO at what AD thinks.

Until he gets traded to Boston, Ainge blows his load and then AD bolts to LA in the offseason. Then people will care about what AD thinks as the reality of dark times ahead become reality. Now he is liking LA trade offers. And yet still, people here will trade everything for the dude. I haven't ever seen anything quite like it.

It is almost like these people are in denial. Might he change his mind? Sure anything can happen. Anything can happen also isn’t great and not what gets you to trade the farm.

IDK Celtics fans are SOOOOOO invested in AD at this point that they will literally do anything. I get it, he's a great player on paper and the kind of asset you save up pieces for. But literally no one considers the down-side risk, that he really DOESN'T want to come here and wants to go to LAL 150%.

I mean he's not a basketball playing robot that you just put some batteries into and he goes out onto the court for whichever team he's on. He's a real guy with real wants, feelings, and desires to exercise his power. I mean if guys like Kyrie can force their way to a better situation, why couldn't AD, one of the best players in the league?

I know. Thats the perfect analysis. “But wait until he gets to Boston! We will win him over!”. Maybe he will, maybe he won’t. That isn’t worth the risk of trading everything. NO can want whatever they want. It isn’t Ainges job to make them look good or give them what they want.

[Edug27]

Tatum will not be traded. For davis.

NOT CAUSE DANNY WOULDNT DO IT BUT BECAUSE HE DOESNT HAVE TO.

I dont get why anyone cant see that.

0% chance AD ever ends up on the same team as Tatum next year.... Zero