D-Lo's max for the Nets is 5/156...do you pay it?

[TheBrooklynKidd]

If Brooklyn even gets a 3rd tier free agent this offseason without having to overpay them, I'll eat both of my hands.

Save this comment until July.

Getting a free agent has nothing to do with your ridiculous comment about Brooklyn, NY being a small market. The Knicks are in Manhattan and have whiffed on free agents and yet they are still the #1 team in the league value wise and market wise.

We can save this comment, but as I've learned, most times when someone on here talks out of their ass and gets called out on it later down the line, that person usually avoids the thread when it gets upped (see: the "Josh Hart is better than D'Angelo Russell" thread for details).

I'm making a bet that Brooklyn won't get any marque free agents, I'm not betting the life of my first born child. Jesus Christ. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. We'll see in July.

No but you did bet that you'd eat both of your hands if they sign a 3rd tier FA. Not sure how you would define 3rd tier but dont forget to post a video when it happens.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Hell no. He's a solid starting PG who plays no defense. Don't let making an All-Star game in the Leastern Conference cloud your view.

That's underselling him IMO. But by no means does he deserve 5/156.

However he does deserve to be in the All-Star game. He's been better than Middleton, Lowry and Oladipo this year, there's no denying that.

[yanuary]

He is the best point guard prospect since Irving(in my opinion he is better). SS potential (just compare him to other crafty point guards like Nash or Curry, when they were 22y).
There is no bad offer for him, 5y max (locked him for 5 not for 4 years) is also good.
He made huge progress during 2018/19 season, around 25/8 efficency player with much better defense in 2019.

[LakersSoul]

He is the best point guard prospect since Irving(in my opinion he is better). SS potential (just compare him to other crafty point guards like Nash or Curry, when they were 22y).
There is no bad offer for him, 5y max (locked him for 5 not for 4 years) is also good.
He made huge progress during 2018/19 season, around 25/8 efficency player with much better defense in 2019.

Wow!!

Now I have heard everything.

[LakersSoul]

He is the best point guard prospect since Irving(in my opinion he is better). SS potential (just compare him to other crafty point guards like Nash or Curry, when they were 22y).
There is no bad offer for him, 5y max (locked him for 5 not for 4 years) is also good.
He made huge progress during 2018/19 season, around 25/8 efficency player with much better defense in 2019.

Hello!!

Lillard. Oladipo.

Hello!! McFly!!

There is a guy named Ben Simmons. And no way is he better than Irving

[NBARocks]

The smarter move would be to flip him for assets and let some other team pay him the max. The Nets have no trouble scrounging late 1st and 2nd rounders for players to develop. They have a great development team, so finding replacements is not a problem. You don't want to hamstring your team to a max for a player that is a 3rd option and not a true superstar. They should just continue what they're doing, scrounging the bottom of the barrel and turning those lead into gold and then selling high those reformed players to get more assets.

[yanuary]

He is the best point guard prospect since Irving(in my opinion he is better). SS potential (just compare him to other crafty point guards like Nash or Curry, when they were 22y).
There is no bad offer for him, 5y max (locked him for 5 not for 4 years) is also good.
He made huge progress during 2018/19 season, around 25/8 efficency player with much better defense in 2019.

Hello!!
Lillard. Oladipo.
Hello!! McFly!!
There is a guy named Ben Simmons. And no way is he better than Irving

I dont know who is McFly

per36
Russell (entire season) 24.2/7.9 54ts
Russell (in 2019) 27.8/8.6 57ts
Lillard (22y old) 17.8/6.0 55ts
Oladipo (22y old) 18.1/4.1 53ts
Irving (22y old) 21.5/5.1 58ts
Simmons (22y old) 17.8/8.4 59ts

Ben is completely different player tbh (no shoot - always will be exposed in PO hard).
Russell has literally unlimited potential with his amazing skillset - just remember that Harden, Curry, Nash also had to develop with similar skillset. I always told you guys that Magic Johnson should be immediately fired after this trade.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

He is the best point guard prospect since Irving(in my opinion he is better). SS potential (just compare him to other crafty point guards like Nash or Curry, when they were 22y).
There is no bad offer for him, 5y max (locked him for 5 not for 4 years) is also good.
He made huge progress during 2018/19 season, around 25/8 efficency player with much better defense in 2019.

Hello!!

Lillard. Oladipo.

Hello!! McFly!!

There is a guy named Ben Simmons. And no way is he better than Irving

I agree he went a little too far with this one.

However, so far he is the best PG drafted since Lillard (2012). But I think Fox will end up being better than D'Lo and Trae Young has a decent chance as well.

I don't consider Simmons to be a PG. IMO you play the position that you guard and he guards SF.

Gun to my head I would match a Max offer for D'Lo from another team, but I sure as hell wouldn't be the one who offers it.

[LakersSoul]

He is the best point guard prospect since Irving(in my opinion he is better). SS potential (just compare him to other crafty point guards like Nash or Curry, when they were 22y).
There is no bad offer for him, 5y max (locked him for 5 not for 4 years) is also good.
He made huge progress during 2018/19 season, around 25/8 efficency player with much better defense in 2019.

Hello!!

Lillard. Oladipo.

Hello!! McFly!!

There is a guy named Ben Simmons. And no way is he better than Irving

I agree he went a little too far with this one.

However, so far he is the best PG drafted since Lillard (2012). But I think Fox will end up being better than D'Lo and Trae Young has a decent chance as well.

I don't consider Simmons to be a PG. IMO you play the position that you guard and he guards SF.

Gun to my head I would match a Max offer for D'Lo from another team, but I sure as hell wouldn't be the one who offers it.

Wow!! You would really max out Dlo?
I remember last year when most Nets fans disliked Dlo and the trade. Now, a max offer?

[NatiboyB]

D'LO isn't a max worthy player I'd see what he gets on the market and match it unless its a max.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Hello!!

Lillard. Oladipo.

Hello!! McFly!!

There is a guy named Ben Simmons. And no way is he better than Irving

I agree he went a little too far with this one.

However, so far he is the best PG drafted since Lillard (2012). But I think Fox will end up being better than D'Lo and Trae Young has a decent chance as well.

I don't consider Simmons to be a PG. IMO you play the position that you guard and he guards SF.

Gun to my head I would match a Max offer for D'Lo from another team, but I sure as hell wouldn't be the one who offers it.

Wow!! You would really max out Dlo?
I remember last year when most Nets fans disliked Dlo and the trade. Now, a max offer?

I was a huge DLo hater even as recently as November and now I have to eat a ton of crow. He's made a huge leap that I never expected. Honestly he looks like a totally different player and a legitimate Floor General.

To clarify I wouldn't offer him the max, but if another team did I would rather match it than let him walk, especially if the other star FAs are off the market.

[Chi town]

Hell to the NO.

No one else will offer him that. He’s worth 25m per though.

[LakersSoul]

Hell to the NO.

No one else will offer him that. He’s worth 25m per though.

A few teams that miss-out on a star will use those bucks towards Dlo. If we think he could get $22-25, then 1-2 so-called wise-men of nba GMs will fork out a few more and give a rising all-star that might or might not fade a near $30 million per year contract.

Will the Nets stand their ground and set a limit or buckle and sign him to upwards of $30 million off of one superb offensive year? We shall see.

[ChampionRed]

A lot of these responses are written as if the Nets have already offered him this 5/156 contract...The new Nets regime has created a culture where players WANT to take less to stay in Brooklyn (Spencer Dinwiddie and Joe Harris). Knowing the Nets, they sign him to a fair team-friendly deal on July 1st. If I'm Sean Marks, there is no WAY I take the risk of another team signing him to a max offer and then being forced into a tough decision.

As much as posters here are in love with their teams having cap space and flexibility, teams eventually do have to sign players and take chances on young guys who are playing well. A lot more goes into it than just getting rid of players if they aren't immediately superstars and then wait it out year after year until you find the player who is the savior for the franchise. More and more as fans we are seeing how a system and franchises with good development programs are releasing the potential of these players. THAT is how you get your team an All-Star/Super-Star Player(s).

It's also amazing to me how a lot of posters here completely dismiss the notion that Russell can develop into a perennial all-star and "1st Option" type player. Based on a lot of the posts I've seen over the past several years, Russell should be out of the league by now and starting a career in China. I know there are a lot of younger posters on here nowadays but does anyone remember the jump Curry and Irving made (just to name a couple)?

They were relatively off the map for several years with Irving being on the Cavs Post-Lebron and Curry being injury prone. Neither were wowing and showing signs of championship players. Even Oladipo was a letdown until he got to Indy. I bet we can dig up posts about all three of them being trashed with posters claiming they will never be a first option.

D'Angelo Russell is 22 years old and is playing fantastic basketball this season. Is he perfect? No. Can he improve? Yes. Is he in the perfect system to take it to the next level? YES. It's simply amazing how posters here are so dismissive of his talent and work-ethic. To reiterate, I would absolutely expect Marks to offer him a deal on July 1st that is beneficial to the Nets and fair to Russell.

[Vae Victus]

Hahahaha... oh man, DLo developing this fast WASNT supposed to happen THIS year.

Im 100% sure the BRK plan was to tank (since they have their pick), low key develop DLo, yank around his mins to keep his stats low, and then try to keep him on some value deal like 5/75 if BRK whiffs on FAs. Then when DLo is under a value contract, develop him fully to be a future cornerstone piece or good trade bait on a value deal. Instead DLo developed faster than anyone expected, helping the team win games, and basically forcing the issue on being forced to pay top dollar to retain him.

The treatment of DLo at the beginning of the season was mind boggling, as he was yanked for any little mistake, and wasnt given the greenlight to chuck, unlike other high lotto picks in their early careers. Hell there were games where it looked like BRK was straight up tanking as they were PULLING DLo when he was rolling and **** didnt make any sense.

Instead of getting down on himself, DLo manned up, and just balled out. Sure injuries to Levert and Dimwiddie, kinda force Atkinson to give DLo more shots, but he's been making the most of the them and his past 30 or so games have been a HUGE improvement compared to the first 10-20 all across the board. Im pretty sure BRK was banking on DLo's much maligned reputation to try to keep him on the cheap.

It's funny but BRK got too good too quickly and its gonna hurt their long term development oddly enough. Instead of having a high pick, a cheap DLo locked in, and alot of cap space. Theyre gonna have a mid low pick, near max DLo, and less cap space to play with.

Luckily for BRK they have a top notch FO that'll still make things work. Their player development is excellent and theyre more than capable of getting/gaining value at most draft slots. Just with the new lotto odds, if they had been top 8 worst record, theyd have a great chance of jumping up and getting another high end talent to work with.

Maxxing out DLo is a mistake, he's just not worth it right now, maybe in 3-4 years as his body matures and he comes more into his own, but right now, for his production, its just not worth it. If BRK can come to some sort of compromise deal like 5/100 or 4/90, that'd be best for them, but with DLo's strong play, im sure he and his agent have different plans.

If another team (like ORL or something) throws a 4 year max, 4th year player option, loaded down with poison pills (trade kickers etcs), is it worth matching? That's a TOUGH question to answer. But if BRK makes it into the playoffs and DLo has a great showing, well that'll definitely help clarify things.

[LakersSoul]

A lot of these responses are written as if the Nets have already offered him this 5/156 contract...The new Nets regime has created a culture where players WANT to take less to stay in Brooklyn (Spencer Dinwiddie and Joe Harris). Knowing the Nets, they sign him to a fair team-friendly deal on July 1st. If I'm Sean Marks, there is no WAY I take the risk of another team signing him to a max offer and then being forced into a tough decision.

As much as posters here are in love with their teams having cap space and flexibility, teams eventually do have to sign players and take chances on young guys who are playing well. A lot more goes into it than just getting rid of players if they aren't immediately superstars and then wait it out year after year until you find the player who is the savior for the franchise. More and more as fans we are seeing how a system and franchises with good development programs are releasing the potential of these players. THAT is how you get your team an All-Star/Super-Star Player(s).

It's also amazing to me how a lot of posters here completely dismiss the notion that Russell can develop into a perennial all-star and "1st Option" type player. Based on a lot of the posts I've seen over the past several years, Russell should be out of the league by now and starting a career in China. I know there are a lot of younger posters on here nowadays but does anyone remember the jump Curry and Irving made (just to name a couple)?

They were relatively off the map for several years with Irving being on the Cavs Post-Lebron and Curry being injury prone. Neither were wowing and showing signs of championship players. Even Oladipo was a letdown until he got to Indy. I bet we can dig up posts about all three of them being trashed with posters claiming they will never be a first option.

D'Angelo Russell is 22 years old and is playing fantastic basketball this season. Is he perfect? No. Can he improve? Yes. Is he in the perfect system to take it to the next level? YES. It's simply amazing how posters here are so dismissive of his talent and work-ethic. To reiterate, I would absolutely expect Marks to offer him a deal on July 1st that is beneficial to the Nets and fair to Russell.

I doubt Dlo is willing to take less to stay in Brooklyn. I never knew taking less to stay in Brooklyn was a thing.

[ChampionRed]

A lot of these responses are written as if the Nets have already offered him this 5/156 contract...The new Nets regime has created a culture where players WANT to take less to stay in Brooklyn (Spencer Dinwiddie and Joe Harris). Knowing the Nets, they sign him to a fair team-friendly deal on July 1st. If I'm Sean Marks, there is no WAY I take the risk of another team signing him to a max offer and then being forced into a tough decision.

As much as posters here are in love with their teams having cap space and flexibility, teams eventually do have to sign players and take chances on young guys who are playing well. A lot more goes into it than just getting rid of players if they aren't immediately superstars and then wait it out year after year until you find the player who is the savior for the franchise. More and more as fans we are seeing how a system and franchises with good development programs are releasing the potential of these players. THAT is how you get your team an All-Star/Super-Star Player(s).

It's also amazing to me how a lot of posters here completely dismiss the notion that Russell can develop into a perennial all-star and "1st Option" type player. Based on a lot of the posts I've seen over the past several years, Russell should be out of the league by now and starting a career in China. I know there are a lot of younger posters on here nowadays but does anyone remember the jump Curry and Irving made (just to name a couple)?

They were relatively off the map for several years with Irving being on the Cavs Post-Lebron and Curry being injury prone. Neither were wowing and showing signs of championship players. Even Oladipo was a letdown until he got to Indy. I bet we can dig up posts about all three of them being trashed with posters claiming they will never be a first option.

D'Angelo Russell is 22 years old and is playing fantastic basketball this season. Is he perfect? No. Can he improve? Yes. Is he in the perfect system to take it to the next level? YES. It's simply amazing how posters here are so dismissive of his talent and work-ethic. To reiterate, I would absolutely expect Marks to offer him a deal on July 1st that is beneficial to the Nets and fair to Russell.

I doubt Dlo is willing to take less to stay in Brooklyn. I never knew taking less to stay in Brooklyn was a thing.

Regarding your first sentence - You could be right. No one knows what D-lo is thinking. However, it helps that he credits the Nets with his development, mentions that they believed in him and helped him get to this level.

Regarding your second sentence - I referenced two examples of players (Joe Harris and Spencer Dinwiddie) who so far have taken less than they were or would have been worth on the open market to stay with Brooklyn.

[Zombiesonics]

Watching the nets he is quite important to their franchise and Atkinson’s system but he should not get the full “max”. Booker getting that was a not comparable as the nets are competing and can’t be handicapped going forward (their overall depth and coaching are just as instrumental as Dlo).

I would try and sign him for 16-18 mill a year, if someone puts a max offer sheet out there, Marks will let him walk.

[LakersSoul]

A lot of these responses are written as if the Nets have already offered him this 5/156 contract...The new Nets regime has created a culture where players WANT to take less to stay in Brooklyn (Spencer Dinwiddie and Joe Harris). Knowing the Nets, they sign him to a fair team-friendly deal on July 1st. If I'm Sean Marks, there is no WAY I take the risk of another team signing him to a max offer and then being forced into a tough decision.

As much as posters here are in love with their teams having cap space and flexibility, teams eventually do have to sign players and take chances on young guys who are playing well. A lot more goes into it than just getting rid of players if they aren't immediately superstars and then wait it out year after year until you find the player who is the savior for the franchise. More and more as fans we are seeing how a system and franchises with good development programs are releasing the potential of these players. THAT is how you get your team an All-Star/Super-Star Player(s).

It's also amazing to me how a lot of posters here completely dismiss the notion that Russell can develop into a perennial all-star and "1st Option" type player. Based on a lot of the posts I've seen over the past several years, Russell should be out of the league by now and starting a career in China. I know there are a lot of younger posters on here nowadays but does anyone remember the jump Curry and Irving made (just to name a couple)?

They were relatively off the map for several years with Irving being on the Cavs Post-Lebron and Curry being injury prone. Neither were wowing and showing signs of championship players. Even Oladipo was a letdown until he got to Indy. I bet we can dig up posts about all three of them being trashed with posters claiming they will never be a first option.

D'Angelo Russell is 22 years old and is playing fantastic basketball this season. Is he perfect? No. Can he improve? Yes. Is he in the perfect system to take it to the next level? YES. It's simply amazing how posters here are so dismissive of his talent and work-ethic. To reiterate, I would absolutely expect Marks to offer him a deal on July 1st that is beneficial to the Nets and fair to Russell.

I doubt Dlo is willing to take less to stay in Brooklyn. I never knew taking less to stay in Brooklyn was a thing.

Regarding your first sentence - You could be right. No one knows what D-lo is thinking. However, it helps that he credits the Nets with his development, mentions that they believed in him and helped him get to this level.

Regarding your second sentence - I referenced two examples of players (Joe Harris and Spencer Dinwiddie) who so far have taken less than they were or would have been worth on the open market to stay with Brooklyn.

Dinwiddie was a bench guy getting less than $2 million per year. Last year he averaged 12+ points and this year when he signed he was averaging just under 17 ppg as a bench guy. Why would he refuse $11 million for 3 years when Lou Williams signed for $7 million/per? That wasn’t an under pay.

As for Harris,he got $16/2 years when he averaged less than 11 points per game. GSW wanted him but at $5+ exception and possibly not full use of it. He didn’t give the Nets no discount.

Where is the Nets discount that you speak of?

[Zion Wembanyama]

D-Lo for Ball, after no top FA signs with LAL.