The Official D'Angelo Russell Thread II

[kamaze]

just spent a few minutes on the GB reading Russell comments.

there's a good thread debating if he deserves the max or not. That's fine, it's a good topic to discuss. What's laughable though is the dislike for the guy coming in, and the grasping people are doing on why he's such a bad player. It's clear half of them are salty ass Laker fans, or people who've already made their mind up on him based upon previous seasons and don't care how much he's changed and improved. So much ignorance and evidence that none of those people have watched them play and are going based upon what they hear.

*rolls up sleeves*

I wanted to through all the comments and respond to some of the most ignorant ones, but I just don't have the time to deal with the trolls. I'd rather have objective discussions with you guys who "get it" in terms of being a fan of this franchise.

Again I have no problem with everyone debating if he's max-worthy or not, it's just the stupid ass "he's a chucker" and "he's the kind of guy who'd get a max and then go full scrub on his team" that got me clearly just none of these guys have been following the progress this franchise has made. They're stuck in 2015.

I have been following this team and agree with some of those posts. You'll probably say I'm a troll because I have a different opinion than you. You're on crack if you'd give a restricted free agent a max contract that's why they have restricted and unrestricted free agency. I doubt other teams would give him the max if the Nets do they'll regret it.

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[MrDollarBills]

*rolls up sleeves*

I wanted to through all the comments and respond to some of the most ignorant ones, but I just don't have the time to deal with the trolls. I'd rather have objective discussions with you guys who "get it" in terms of being a fan of this franchise.

Again I have no problem with everyone debating if he's max-worthy or not, it's just the stupid ass "he's a chucker" and "he's the kind of guy who'd get a max and then go full scrub on his team" that got me clearly just none of these guys have been following the progress this franchise has made. They're stuck in 2015.

I have been following this team and agree with some of those posts. You'll probably say I'm a troll because I have a different opinion than you. You're on crack if you'd give a restricted free agent a max contract that's why they have restricted and unrestricted free agency. I doubt other teams would give him the max if the Nets do they'll regret it.

oh my god...what!????

[kamaze]

Do you not understand what a restricted free agent is?

[kamaze]

Why pay more money if you don't have to.

[LKIRNets]

Why pay more money if you don't have to.

what the hell are you talking about, bruh what is wrong wit ya?

Do you not understand what a restricted free agent is?

Bills does, but ya seriously dont know what an RFA is.

[NetSymptom]

Why pay more money if you don't have to.

what the hell are you talking about, bruh what is wrong wit ya?

Do you not understand what a restricted free agent is?

Bills does, but ya seriously dont know what an RFA is.

I think Kamaze is just trying to communicate that the Nets should not proactively offer the max, but should let the market dictate the market instead. At least, that’s what I’m thinking he is saying.

While this is technically correct, I think it overlooks the point and assumptions of the debates, which isn’t really should the Nets offer the max, but should they match if they are forced to.

[LKIRNets]

Why pay more money if you don't have to.

what the hell are you talking about, bruh what is wrong wit ya?

Do you not understand what a restricted free agent is?

Bills does, but ya seriously dont know what an RFA is.

I think Kamaze is just trying to communicate that the Nets should not proactively offer the max, but should let the market dictate the market instead. At least, that’s what I’m thinking he is saying.

While this is technically correct, I think it overlooks the point and assumptions of the debates, which isn’t really should the Nets offer the max, but should they match if they are forced to.

. You're on crack if you'd give a restricted free agent a max contract that's why they have restricted and unrestricted free agency. I doubt other teams would give him the max if the Nets do they'll regret it.

This is a 22 year old who's about to be 23 and playing elite PG level in the Eastern Conference. He's only going to get better. And in the clutch has the tendency to put teams away. He said we shouldn't match.

Yet we should go after 27 or 29 year old Kyrie wit that knee or Kemba who is spotty and falling off at 28. You get what I'm saying?

Russell is 22. 23 this summer. He played himself into earning that.

Keep it real wit ya. K, dont like Russell. He's hated him ever since his favorite player was dropped off to ATL and now in TOR.

The fact he thinks teams wont max Russell or how we'd regret it, yo I cant wit dat dude.

[MrDollarBills]

The idea that Russell isn't going to be paid fair market value is asinine. If the Nets don't pay him, someone else will, guarunteed. You just don't let 22 year olds averaging 20/4/7 walk in the NBA. The hate for Russell is to the point where people become 100% illogical.

I don't know whether kamaze is trolling or being serious, because he has done nothing but troll this board regarding Russell non stop, but the idea that restricted free agency is somehow a method to keep Russell from getting max dollars is completely wrong and a gross misunderstanding of what RFA actually is. Otto Porter is out there in Chicago filthy stinking rich right now thanks to Sean Marks, you think D'Angelo Russell who is a superior player isn't going to get his cash?

and I 100% agree with LKIR about the general sentiment of running to pay Kyrie Irving 35 million a year with what we're seeing from him this season but dudes are hand wringing over going above the cap to resign Russell to a lesser deal that is agreeable to both him and ownership.

[MGrand15]

Nothing about our team has indicated that we'll tell Russell to go find an offer so we can match. We most likely come to an agreement right away below the max and everyone is happy. We get some flexibility and Russell gets a ton of money. This is the benefit of creating a culture where everyone is happy AND everyone improves. Now that we're winning and Russell is an all star, this is a no brainer. He knows how bad organizations work.

I don't think the team was expecting to pay him this much so it'll be interesting to see how that effects the FA dominos.

[vincecarter4pres]

Nothing about our team has indicated that we'll tell Russell to go find an offer so we can match. We most likely come to an agreement right away below the max and everyone is happy. We get some flexibility and Russell gets a ton of money. This is the benefit of creating a culture where everyone is happy AND everyone improves. Now that we're winning and Russell is an all star, this is a no brainer. He knows how bad organizations work.

I don't think the team was expecting to pay him this much so it'll be interesting to see how that effects the FA dominos.

Unless he takes a hometown discount, the most likely scenario in my eyes is they ask him to wait on free agency to take advantage of his cap hold with the promise of a max.

[Prokorov]

*rolls up sleeves*

I wanted to through all the comments and respond to some of the most ignorant ones, but I just don't have the time to deal with the trolls. I'd rather have objective discussions with you guys who "get it" in terms of being a fan of this franchise.

Again I have no problem with everyone debating if he's max-worthy or not, it's just the stupid ass "he's a chucker" and "he's the kind of guy who'd get a max and then go full scrub on his team" that got me clearly just none of these guys have been following the progress this franchise has made. They're stuck in 2015.

I have been following this team and agree with some of those posts. You'll probably say I'm a troll because I have a different opinion than you. You're on crack if you'd give a restricted free agent a max contract that's why they have restricted and unrestricted free agency. I doubt other teams would give him the max if the Nets do they'll regret it.

we dont care that you have a different opinion... we care that you are an imbecile who doest understand the game and hates on russell because you are butthurt he ended lins nets career and continues to shove 30 point games in your face leading the nets to wins. we know you hate when the nets win.

[kamaze]

what the hell are you talking about, bruh what is wrong wit ya?




Bills does, but ya seriously dont know what an RFA is.

I think Kamaze is just trying to communicate that the Nets should not proactively offer the max, but should let the market dictate the market instead. At least, that’s what I’m thinking he is saying.

While this is technically correct, I think it overlooks the point and assumptions of the debates, which isn’t really should the Nets offer the max, but should they match if they are forced to.

. You're on crack if you'd give a restricted free agent a max contract that's why they have restricted and unrestricted free agency. I doubt other teams would give him the max if the Nets do they'll regret it.

This is a 22 year old who's about to be 23 and playing elite PG level in the Eastern Conference. He's only going to get better. And in the clutch has the tendency to put teams away. He said we shouldn't match.

Yet we should go after 27 or 29 year old Kyrie wit that knee or Kemba who is spotty and falling off at 28. You get what I'm saying?

Russell is 22. 23 this summer. He played himself into earning that.

Keep it real wit ya. K, dont like Russell. He's hated him ever since his favorite player was dropped off to ATL and now in TOR.

The fact he thinks teams wont max Russell or how we'd regret it, yo I cant wit dat dude.

You're a funny guy overpay when you don't have to. Good thing Sean Marks makes the decisions.

Who's better a former champion and perennial all star (Kyrie Irving) or a first time all star (D'Angelo Russell)? Ask 10 people and 9 out of 10 would take the former only you would take DLo. Or do others here agree with him...Would you pay $156 million for DLO?
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[kamaze]

Why pay more money if you don't have to.

what the hell are you talking about, bruh what is wrong wit ya?

Do you not understand what a restricted free agent is?

Bills does, but ya seriously dont know what an RFA is.

I think Kamaze is just trying to communicate that the Nets should not proactively offer the max, but should let the market dictate the market instead. At least, that’s what I’m thinking he is saying.

While this is technically correct, I think it overlooks the point and assumptions of the debates, which isn’t really should the Nets offer the max, but should they match if they are forced to.

Bingo.

[Prokorov]

I think Kamaze is just trying to communicate that the Nets should not proactively offer the max, but should let the market dictate the market instead. At least, that’s what I’m thinking he is saying.

While this is technically correct, I think it overlooks the point and assumptions of the debates, which isn’t really should the Nets offer the max, but should they match if they are forced to.

. You're on crack if you'd give a restricted free agent a max contract that's why they have restricted and unrestricted free agency. I doubt other teams would give him the max if the Nets do they'll regret it.

This is a 22 year old who's about to be 23 and playing elite PG level in the Eastern Conference. He's only going to get better. And in the clutch has the tendency to put teams away. He said we shouldn't match.

Yet we should go after 27 or 29 year old Kyrie wit that knee or Kemba who is spotty and falling off at 28. You get what I'm saying?

Russell is 22. 23 this summer. He played himself into earning that.

Keep it real wit ya. K, dont like Russell. He's hated him ever since his favorite player was dropped off to ATL and now in TOR.

The fact he thinks teams wont max Russell or how we'd regret it, yo I cant wit dat dude.

You're a funny guy overpay when you don't have to. Good thing Sean Marks makes the decisions.

Who's better a former champion and perennial all star (Kyrie Irving) or a first time all star (D'Angelo Russell)? Ask 10 people and 9 out of 10 would take the former only you would take DLo. Or do others here agree with him...Would you pay $156 million for DLO?
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its not surprising you are so wrong here since you have admitted several times you know nothing about the cap.

Russell will agree to terms for a near max contract with marks prior to free agency. there is no worse scenario then russell signing an offer sheet, because we have only a few days to match and once we do it eats into our cap space limiting what we can do as far as signing other free agents.

Dlo wants to be here. like dinwiddie and harris he will take a few million less. like harris he will agree day 1 and wait until after all other moves are made before officially signing.

Russell will get something like 5/130

[kamaze]

The idea that Russell isn't going to be paid fair market value is asinine. If the Nets don't pay him, someone else will, guarunteed. You just don't let 22 year olds averaging 20/4/7 walk in the NBA. The hate for Russell is to the point where people become 100% illogical.

I don't know whether kamaze is trolling or being serious, because he has done nothing but troll this board regarding Russell non stop, but the idea that restricted free agency is somehow a method to keep Russell from getting max dollars is completely wrong and a gross misunderstanding of what RFA actually is. Otto Porter is out there in Chicago filthy stinking rich right now thanks to Sean Marks, you think D'Angelo Russell who is a superior player isn't going to get his cash?

and I 100% agree with LKIR about the general sentiment of running to pay Kyrie Irving 35 million a year with what we're seeing from him this season but dudes are hand wringing over going above the cap to resign Russell to a lesser deal that is agreeable to both him and ownership.

In all seriousness bruh I don't have faith in him. He started playing great AFTER the team gave an extension to LeVert and gave Dinwidde a contract.

That being said I do want him back next year I just don't want to overpay him.

Marks screwed up Washington's cap by giving Porter that contract he knew that if Washington kept him at that price it would screw up their cap and it did.

There's a difference between Otto Porter being overpaid and DLO being on the Nets at a ridiculous amount. The difference is Washington or Chicago are 11th and 13th in the standings.

I don't want to give him a Devin Booker type contract that can make them not bring a player like Demmare Carroll back. DeMarre's a part of the reason this team is over .500. They wouldn't be as good if they chose to overpay DLO and had to let a good role player walk.

[kamaze]

This is a 22 year old who's about to be 23 and playing elite PG level in the Eastern Conference. He's only going to get better. And in the clutch has the tendency to put teams away. He said we shouldn't match.

Yet we should go after 27 or 29 year old Kyrie wit that knee or Kemba who is spotty and falling off at 28. You get what I'm saying?

Russell is 22. 23 this summer. He played himself into earning that.

Keep it real wit ya. K, dont like Russell. He's hated him ever since his favorite player was dropped off to ATL and now in TOR.

The fact he thinks teams wont max Russell or how we'd regret it, yo I cant wit dat dude.

You're a funny guy overpay when you don't have to. Good thing Sean Marks makes the decisions.

Who's better a former champion and perennial all star (Kyrie Irving) or a first time all star (D'Angelo Russell)? Ask 10 people and 9 out of 10 would take the former only you would take DLo. Or do others here agree with him...Would you pay $156 million for DLO?
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1806262

its not surprising you are so wrong here since you have admitted several times you know nothing about the cap.

Russell will agree to terms for a near max contract with marks prior to free agency. there is no worse scenario then russell signing an offer sheet, because we have only a few days to match and once we do it eats into our cap space limiting what we can do as far as signing other free agents.

Dlo wants to be here. like dinwiddie and harris he will take a few million less. like harris he will agree day 1 and wait until after all other moves are made before officially signing.

Russell will get something like 5/130

Kawhi won't come back to Toronto...Kyrie will leave Boston,...Dlo will sign for less...What about Anthony Davis what's going to happen with him?

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[Prokorov]

You're a funny guy overpay when you don't have to. Good thing Sean Marks makes the decisions.

Who's better a former champion and perennial all star (Kyrie Irving) or a first time all star (D'Angelo Russell)? Ask 10 people and 9 out of 10 would take the former only you would take DLo. Or do others here agree with him...Would you pay $156 million for DLO?
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1806262

its not surprising you are so wrong here since you have admitted several times you know nothing about the cap.

Russell will agree to terms for a near max contract with marks prior to free agency. there is no worse scenario then russell signing an offer sheet, because we have only a few days to match and once we do it eats into our cap space limiting what we can do as far as signing other free agents.

Dlo wants to be here. like dinwiddie and harris he will take a few million less. like harris he will agree day 1 and wait until after all other moves are made before officially signing.

Russell will get something like 5/130

Kawhi won't come back to Toronto...Kyrie will leave Boston,...Dlo will sign for less...What about Anthony Davis what's going to happen with him?

https://media1.tenor.com/images/06681b2ec4eb5ac1873c90d01f9a097e/tenor.gif?itemid=5865944

Hard to say until we know who the new GM will be in new orleans. But it certainly seems like Rich Paul and Davis are doing all they can to get to the Lakers. will the new GM play nice with the agents and take the lakers best offer or will they get a GM with bigger balls who tells them to kick rocks and take a bigger offer from the knicks or celtics?

I think either way he is traded before next seasons tip off

[kamaze]

Sarcasm boy it was sarcasm.

[LKIRNets]

You're a funny guy overpay when you don't have to. Good thing Sean Marks makes the decisions.

Who's better a former champion and perennial all star (Kyrie Irving) or a first time all star (D'Angelo Russell)? Ask 10 people and 9 out of 10 would take the former only you would take DLo. Or do others here agree with him...Would you pay $156 million for DLO?
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You don't understand RFA. Good thing ya aint ever taken serious here.

Kyrie has won nothing wit out Lebron. He on a Celtics roster that is underachieving. Ask 9 out of 10 if Kyrie's knee and hips arent an issue? Bruh Dlo is averaging 20-6 at 22 wit out pieces and in the flow of the offense. He's not getting more than $20-21M on RFA cap hold. Teams can't offer more than 25. To answer your question. 156 for 6 would be 26M for a 23 year old. Would probably start 19-20-21-22-37-37. Russell is playing ELITE. Why would ya dumb self give Kyrie on his knee that contract when Russell right there? especially when he running from a team underachieving? just dumb. That's worst case scenario for Russell's contract. 22-23 year old who flipped the switch and is probably the 2nd best scoring PG in the NBA East. There's no way you turn it down.

Now seeing that no team would go Houston Rockets mode and I doubt PHX is that insane for Russell's RFA offer, his offer is looking more like

19-19-20-20-25-25 that would give him until age 29 for his final major contract. Russell knows this business, he's seen bad flexibility on the Lakers and seen good on the Nets. The Nets Sean Marks who scouted him and praised work ethic and attitude per quote even understands his game is becoming elite is realizing he's a max guard and worth it boy.