Non-threadworthy MMA Rumors/Quotes/Tweets/Etc., Vol. 5

Susan · Post #521 » by **Susan** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:04 am

Jesus that fight was insane.

REDDzone · Post #522 » by **REDDzone** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:08 am

Susan wrote:Jesus that fight was insane.

Spoiler:

Bernman · Post #523 » by **Bernman** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:09 am

That was a bold prediction to project Barbarena to win that fight. I was shocked he was in it. Luque is a killer. Hung in there on heart, volume, and huge head. But couldn't ultimately survive that rapid double knee combo as he was going down. You saw how Luque thinks ahead in there with that combo as well as leaping to the back and sinking the choke in right after Barbarena hurt him. Sky is the limit.

Leon Edwards managed to beat him. His run is crazy, and maybe crazier is I don't ever remember seeing him fight because they put him on almost all international/FP cards. UFC needs a next big thing show where they profile guys like that and display their old fights. He's really relevant and I don't have much context on him. Till was the same for me before the Wonderboy fight. If I don't know how is the casual supposed to pay handsomely to watch them fight?

Post #524 » by **spykelee** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:17 am

This Phoenix crowd is complete garbage. Even booing fights that are full on standup for fifteen minutes, like, wtf do you want?

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Bernman · Post #525 » by **Bernman** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:32 am

spykelee wrote:This Phoenix crowd is complete garbage. Even booing fights that are full on standup for fifteen minutes, like, wtf do you want?

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Yeah, I was going to mention that too. They pretty much need a slobberknocker like Luque-Barbarena to not boo at some point (even then I felt like they were very subdued relative to the level of action). Super impatient to withstand any sort of lull like in even Lentz-Holtzmann which was a good fight. Booed Lentz afterward. Booed the ladies. They aren't MMA fans.

Post #526 » by **spykelee** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:50 am

Yea you probably shouldn't take on a killer like francis after 3 years off.

REDDzone · Post #527 » by **REDDzone** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:50 am

Spoilers...

I said it before I fight and I say it now...Cain is the biggest myth in MMA history. And he owes it mostly to Rogan.

Post #528 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:51 am

REDDzone wrote:Spoilers...

I said it before I fight and I say it now...Cain is the biggest myth in MMA history. And he owes it mostly to Rogan.

He’s definitely overrated, but we learned nothing except that his body is totally shot.

Bernman · Post #529 » by **Bernman** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:52 am

Ngannou is back atop the GOAT of the moment list, displacing Pico and Walker.

Who needs technique at hw when you're that powerful and ferocious.

That's a wrap for Cain. Injures knee again seemingly. Salute for a great career. Another what if situation though, like Shogun.

REDDzone · Post #530 » by **REDDzone** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:53 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:
REDDzone wrote:Spoilers...

I said it before I fight and I say it now...Cain is the biggest myth in MMA history. And he owes it mostly to Rogan.

He’s definitely overrated, but we learned nothing except that his body is totally shot.

This is what people said after he got KOed by JDS in 2011. But, k.

Bernman · Post #531 » by **Bernman** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:57 am

REDDzone wrote:
NO-KG-AI wrote:
REDDzone wrote:Spoilers...

I said it before I fight and I say it now...Cain is the biggest myth in MMA history. And he owes it mostly to Rogan.

He’s definitely overrated, but we learned nothing except that his body is totally shot.
This is what people said after he got KOed by JDS in 2011. But, k.

That makes it more likely to be true. It's indicative he has reoccurring knee problems. That time he had suffered it recently. He's too tough for his own good. And in keeping with that tendency, he went too hard with his rehab. Ever see those videos of him doing leg lifts with max torque? He did murder JDS twice in-between when he had a chance to recover, Brock, Big Foot twice, Big Nog. Then he suffered even more injuries and probably hit the tipping point to where he was no longer a contender. I don't know what would be the myth here other than the idea that an athlete doesn't require knee ligaments to be effective.

goodboy · Post #532 » by **goodboy** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:58 am

Very sad to see Cain's body give out. Has the mind/skill but the body wants none of it.

goodboy · Post #533 » by **goodboy** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:59 am

spykelee wrote:Yea you probably shouldn't take on a killer like francis after 3 years off.

Yeah this was a strange match up, an exciting one but shoudn't have fed Francis who has fought 3 times the past half a year?

Would've liked to see Cain/Blades

REDDzone · Post #534 » by **REDDzone** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:05 am

Bernman wrote:
REDDzone wrote:
NO-KG-AI wrote:
He’s definitely overrated, but we learned nothing except that his body is totally shot.
This is what people said after he got KOed by JDS in 2011. But, k.

That makes it more likely to be true. It's indicative he has reoccurring knee problems. That time he had suffered it recently. He's too tough for his own good. And in keeping with that tendency, he went too hard with his rehab. Ever see those videos of him doing leg lifts with max torque? He did murder JDS twice in-between when he had a chance to recover, Brock, Big Foot twice, Big Nog. Then he suffered even more injuries and probably hit the tipping point to where he was no longer a contender. I don't know what would be the myth here other than the idea that an athlete doesn't require knee ligaments to be effective.

Hm no Brock and Nog were before the JDS loss. He has only beaten JDS, Bigfoot, and Travis Browne since 2010.

The myth is that it's even possible for a guy who gets finished ~1 in every 5 fights to be the GOAT. Also is annoys me that there is a whole host of excuses for every brutal loss he's ever suffered. He was injured in the JDS loss (forget the fact that JDS was too). He had to fight at elevation in the Werdum loss (I guess Werdum was fighting at sea level somehow?). And now tonight obviously knee injury.

It just annoys me that a guy like Rogan was giving Cain more praise during Stipe's run than he was Stipe as Stipe broke all of Cain's records. I posted about this at the time. Prime Cain was great, but he wasn't unbeatable, hell just look at his record.

Post #535 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:10 am

REDDzone wrote:
NO-KG-AI wrote:
REDDzone wrote:Spoilers...

I said it before I fight and I say it now...Cain is the biggest myth in MMA history. And he owes it mostly to Rogan.

He’s definitely overrated, but we learned nothing except that his body is totally shot.
This is what people said after he got KOed by JDS in 2011. But, k.

Uh what. JDS knocked him the **** out. His knee just buckled and gave out and Francis jumped on his head. He was probably going to get KO’d anyway because he’s sloppy, but I don’t think he even got punched in the exchange where he fell.

Jasen777 · Post #536 » by **Jasen777** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:10 am

REDDzone wrote:Spoilers...

I said it before I fight and I say it now...Cain is the biggest myth in MMA history. And he owes it mostly to Rogan.

He just looked really good beating Bigfoot and JDS and Bigfoot and JDS. But shows just how tough it is to clear out a division like GSP did.

Bernman · Post #537 » by **Bernman** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:13 am

REDDzone wrote:Hm no Brock and Nog were before the JDS loss. He has only beaten JDS, Bigfoot, and Travis Browne since 2010.

The myth is that it's even possible for a guy who gets finished ~1 in every 5 fights to be the GOAT. Also is annoys me that there is a whole host of excuses for every brutal loss he's ever suffered. He was injured in the JDS loss (forget the fact that JDS was too). He had to fight at elevation in the Werdum loss (I guess Werdum was fighting at sea level somehow?). And now tonight obviously knee injury.

It just annoys me that a guy like Rogan was giving Cain more praise during Stipe's run than he was Stipe as Stipe broke all of Cain's records. I posted about this at the time. Prime Cain was great, but he wasn't unbeatable, hell just look at his record.

The Brock and Nog fights were before the JDS loss. So it's when he was at his healthiest. Then he recovered from the first injury after a year or two like most athletes. Then declined after the second one (I think he's had more). He's followed a natural career course. It's not excuses, it's reasons. It's reality. I didn't excuse him for the Werdum loss. Gassing at elevation was a mistake he made in his training whereas Werdum was smartly acclimatized. Cain didn't get ko'ed by someone of Struve's ilk or lose to a then diminished JDS (because of Cain himself) with no caveats to deservedly lose mystique. It was indeed insane how Cain would dominate in the boxing, clinch, and wrestling; while going hard for 5 rounds at heavyweight.

I make the same considerations for Shogun. Relatively short run for a great, then ups and downs.

Post #538 » by **Duke4life831** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:14 am

REDDzone wrote:
Bernman wrote:
REDDzone wrote:This is what people said after he got KOed by JDS in 2011. But, k.

That makes it more likely to be true. It's indicative he has reoccurring knee problems. That time he had suffered it recently. He's too tough for his own good. And in keeping with that tendency, he went too hard with his rehab. Ever see those videos of him doing leg lifts with max torque? He did murder JDS twice in-between when he had a chance to recover, Brock, Big Foot twice, Big Nog. Then he suffered even more injuries and probably hit the tipping point to where he was no longer a contender. I don't know what would be the myth here other than the idea that an athlete doesn't require knee ligaments to be effective.

Hm no Brock and Nog were before the JDS loss. He has only beaten JDS, Bigfoot, and Travis Browne since 2010.

The myth is that it's even possible for a guy who gets finished ~1 in every 5 fights to be the GOAT. Also is annoys me that there is a whole host of excuses for every brutal loss he's ever suffered. He was injured in the JDS loss (forget the fact that JDS was too). He had to fight at elevation in the Werdum loss (I guess Werdum was fighting at sea level somehow?). And now tonight obviously knee injury.

It just annoys me that a guy like Rogan was giving Cain more praise during Stipe's run than he was Stipe as Stipe broke all of Cain's records. I posted about this at the time. Prime Cain was great, but he wasn't unbeatable, hell just look at his record.

Ya this always bugged me. Whenever Rogan would talk about Stipe during his reign he would always bring up Cain and how Stipe wasn't as impressive as Cain.

I think Cain and Stipe are the two best HWs the UFC has seen. Just always thought Joe never gave enough credit to Stipe while probably overrating Cain.

RalphWiggum · Post #539 » by **RalphWiggum** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:14 am

Jasen777 wrote:
REDDzone wrote:Spoilers...

I said it before I fight and I say it now...Cain is the biggest myth in MMA history. And he owes it mostly to Rogan.

He just looked really good beating Bigfoot and JDS and Bigfoot and JDS. But shows just how tough it is to clear out a division like GSP did.

The heavyweight division is such a different animal than all the others.

A guy ranked 15th beating the top ranked heavyweight is way more likely than in any other division.

There's a reason nobody has ever had a long run.

Post #540 » by **Duke4life831** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:16 am

RalphWiggum wrote:
Jasen777 wrote:
REDDzone wrote:Spoilers...

I said it before I fight and I say it now...Cain is the biggest myth in MMA history. And he owes it mostly to Rogan.

He just looked really good beating Bigfoot and JDS and Bigfoot and JDS. But shows just how tough it is to clear out a division like GSP did.
The heavyweight division is such a different animal than all the others.

A guy ranked 15th beating the top ranked heavyweight is way more likely than in any other division.

There's a reason nobody has ever had a long run.

And the guy that did have the longest run in the UFC ever, didn't even get an immediate rematch. Dana has never had any love for Stipe.