Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox

stuporman · Post #41 » by **stuporman** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:28 pm

People say that sports fans from New York are some of the most knowledgeable fans around but then those New York sports fans open their mouths and prove them wrong.

cgmw · Post #42 » by **cgmw** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:29 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:People giving up on a 19 yr old late lottery pick? who says you can't rebuild in NY?

It’s absolutely absurd. It’s also highly likely that the FO deals him (no matter how good he looks) for the first chance at a veteran to complement whichever FAs they bring in.

SmoothLefty21 · Post #43 » by **SmoothLefty21** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:42 pm

stuporman wrote:People say that sports fans from New York are some of the most knowledgeable fans around but then those New York sports fans open their mouths and prove them wrong.

The NY metropolitan area has over 20 million residents, not to mention all of the transplants who left. Our fanbase is huge; there's no way they're all going to be smart cookies. :lol:

Knicks Byke · Post #44 » by **Knicks Byke** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:43 pm

idk guys, wiggins was scouted to have a weak motor and it’s def still showing.

SmoothLefty21 · Post #45 » by **SmoothLefty21** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:57 pm

Knicks Byke wrote:idk guys, wiggins was scouted to have a weak motor and it’s def still showing.

Him being Charmin-soft is the real issue.

darkling · Post #46 » by **darkling** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:05 pm

Knox is soft and shook. Doesn't have anything except height on NBA level, don't fool yourselves. Same with Frank but atleast Frank can defend. 19 or not he doesn't flash anything either, stop with the homerism.

Post #47 » by **DOT** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:16 pm

darkling wrote:Knox is soft and shook. Doesn't have anything except height on NBA level, don't fool yourselves. Same with Frank but atleast Frank can defend. 19 or not he doesn't flash anything either, stop with the homerism.

darkling · Post #48 » by **darkling** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:21 pm

K-DOT wrote:
darkling wrote:Knox is soft and shook. Doesn't have anything except height on NBA level, don't fool yourselves. Same with Frank but atleast Frank can defend. 19 or not he doesn't flash anything either, stop with the homerism.

You're living in denial if you think thats a bait.

CharlesOakley · Post #49 » by **CharlesOakley** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:51 pm

Knox has one skill which is very advanced for his age; the floater in the lane. Based on that one shot alone, plus his age and physical skills, I'd like to develop him some more. I also find it hard to fault a rookie playing on the worst team in the league without any veteran leadership or a point guard. His coach hasn't even attempted to implement an offense. I'll judge the rookies when we have a coach and are trying to win.

knickstape4ever · Post #50 » by **knickstape4ever** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:56 pm

isiah_thomas wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
knickstape4ever wrote:He's no Mitchell Robinson. Knox will be a solid pro in a few years...but I dont think he'll ever be a star. He's just so inefficient; his shot selection is poor, he doesn't make plays for others, and he's bad on defense

But at least we got Mitch who IMO could be a all-star. He's so incredibly efficient and he's perfect for today's NBA as a rim protector/rim runner. I can't believe he is so good so quickly, despite not playing college bball. Mitch was the deal gem of the draft and if it came down to it I'd keep him in a heartbeat over Knox. IMO it'd be a mistake to trade Mitch b/c he can be a all-star. I'm excited to see what's to come from him as he gets more comfortable and fills out his frame.

....and to think he'd be so good after seeing that DX interview when he was asked what kinda player he was and he responded...."probably...be like chill...kinda." I love the kid, he's gold

Love Mitch but he's as limited offensively right now nearly as much as Knox is defensively.

Well...maybe not, but they're both projects. Mitch has the benefit of being good defensively while being offensively limited is no longer as bad a thing as it used to be, from the C position.

NBA sort of interesting now. In lots of 19 year olds getting drafted, and soon 18 year olds, teams are going to draft projects who quite often aren't getting their sh*t together until the time their contract is up - and possibly not even the finished product, even then.

So, they'll be some guessing/analysis around guys like KP level guys, where "Is this basically what he is, or will he be a lot more" and is the max cat deal worth it or not.

Lower level guys like Knox or Frank etc there's gambles a well, but I guess the financial implications aren't as bad.
Then again, the Knicks basically were the team to take the incorrect flyer on THJr at that time - more or less. Not exactly the same.

Scouting and philosophy of system matters as much or more than ever.

I wonder if the CBA will change, driven as much by owners, as players. I mean, all good for the owners in that they get 4 or 5 cheap years, but interesting if there's any thoughts around it, especially with the soon to be influx of 18 year olds.

Thing is even though though I would like to see Mitch get a jumper he doesn't need it to be a good NBA center. Defense is way more iimportant at that position than offense

Knox is terrible on both ends

exactly. all he needs to do is play good defense, rebound, and catch lobs

Post #51 » by **GONYK** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:04 pm

KOA wrote:It's amazing to me that people keep pointing to his age as if that means anything. There's players who are young, have a strong skill-set, and continuously improve and get better. Then there are players like Kevin Knox. I doubt he gets a contract past his rookie deal. He's that bad...

The amount of declarations made that player X won't get another NBA contract after his rookie deal is hilarious. It's such a lazy thing to say.

This is a league where Bruno Caboclo is still getting chances. Youth and potential will yield contracts.

taj2133 · Post #52 » by **taj2133** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:01 pm

Watch on YouTube

Fat · Post #53 » by **Fat** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:19 pm

he’s a Rookie it’s easy to get frustrated with his play but it’s foolish to write him off yet. He’s got ideal size and the body frame to transform into something solid to go along with a nice shooting form (not consistent yet) but can clearly score on all 3 levels with plenty room to grow

Defense Is where he must make the most strides I’m not worried about the rest of knox game.

Post #54 » by **Thugger HBC** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:32 pm

Knox really does talk well, I really like his interviews. Crazy how all these players know each other.

Clyde_Style · Post #55 » by **Clyde_Style** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:53 am

They didn't whiff on the draft.

Mitch at 36 ended up being our true top 10 player so I'm OK with everything about the 2018 draft.

Knox could still become something if he has the brain for the game to learn and adapt. If not, he'll settle into being a decent scorer off the bench for somebody.

And he'll still be a legit asset if Perry pulls off a big trade.

KOA · Post #56 » by **KOA** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:41 am

GONYK wrote:
KOA wrote:It's amazing to me that people keep pointing to his age as if that means anything. There's players who are young, have a strong skill-set, and continuously improve and get better. Then there are players like Kevin Knox. I doubt he gets a contract past his rookie deal. He's that bad...

The amount of declarations made that player X won't get another NBA contract after his rookie deal is hilarious. It's such a lazy thing to say.

This is a league where Bruno Caboclo is still getting chances. Youth and potential will yield contracts.

And saying a player has potential because they are 19 years old is not lazy? I can't remember the last time I've seen our fan base actually be realistic with any of our prospects.... especially when they are "young"

We have several players on our roster that show promise and potential, but they don't get anywhere near as much hype because they are in their early 20's.

Youth does not yield contracts... Skill-sets on the other hand do.
Bruno received a contract because of his defensive prowess, not because of his youth.

Post #57 » by **GONYK** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:47 am

KOA wrote:
GONYK wrote:
KOA wrote:It's amazing to me that people keep pointing to his age as if that means anything. There's players who are young, have a strong skill-set, and continuously improve and get better. Then there are players like Kevin Knox. I doubt he gets a contract past his rookie deal. He's that bad...

The amount of declarations made that player X won't get another NBA contract after his rookie deal is hilarious. It's such a lazy thing to say.

This is a league where Bruno Caboclo is still getting chances. Youth and potential will yield contracts.

And saying a player has potential because they are 19 years old is not lazy? I can't remember the last time I've seen our fan base actually be realistic with any of our prospects.... especially when they are "young"

We have several players on our roster that show promise and potential, but they don't get anywhere near as much hype because they are in their early 20's.

Youth does not yield contracts... Skill-sets on the other hand do.
Bruno received a contract because of his defensive prowess, not because of his youth.

Knox is scoring at 3 levels as a 19 year old.

He'll be in the NBA way past his rookie deal.

robillionaire · Post #58 » by **robillionaire** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:21 am

ChaosHamster wrote:The issue with Knox is he needs to improve immensely to see any significant time next season. With KD there is no time for rebuilding and developing.

no issue there, KD is his favorite player, let him play 15-20 mins a night off the bench and have KD mentor him

Post #59 » by **dakomish23** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:02 am

GONYK wrote:
KOA wrote:It's amazing to me that people keep pointing to his age as if that means anything. There's players who are young, have a strong skill-set, and continuously improve and get better. Then there are players like Kevin Knox. I doubt he gets a contract past his rookie deal. He's that bad...

The amount of declarations made that player X won't get another NBA contract after his rookie deal is hilarious. It's such a lazy thing to say.

This is a league where Bruno Caboclo is still getting chances. Youth and potential will yield contracts.

Exhibit A: Knicks roster. We are loving the 2nd draft.

Spoiler:

Post #60 » by **dakomish23** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:06 am

Stannis wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Oh, he's goink to NOLA. I hope he likes crayfish and jazz.

NOLA wants picks not low tier prospects. They didn't pull the trigger on the LAL trade even though they were getting loads of "prospects".

Where would you rank Knox on this list amongst the 3 likely suitors list of prospects?

Ball
Ingram
Kuzma
Hart
Tatum
Brown
Rozier
Williams
DSJ
Frank
Knox
Mitch