2019 Packers Off Season Thread - Cut Day Saturday

Wisky4life · Post #241 » by **Wisky4life** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:13 pm

I would like us to trade for AB but I know when one thing turns the tide, our coaches won't be able to handle him.

AB to the Pats would probably break him, Moss seemed fine there.

Treebeard · Post #242 » by **Treebeard** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:33 pm

New Head Coach, new staff. How much babysitting do they want to undertake to keep AB on point? They've got plenty of other high maintenance issues to work through. It's not the same situation as Belicheck. Mike Tomlin's not at his first rodeo, and look how much fun they're having in Pittsburgh, with all the drama. (not just AB, to be sure)

MAC1987 · Post #243 » by **MAC1987** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:32 pm

Wisky4life wrote:I would like us to trade for AB but I know when one thing turns the tide, our coaches won't be able to handle him.

AB to the Pats would probably break him, Moss seemed fine there.

What exactly is AB's request for his contract? Does he want more money or just the money on his current contract guaranteed?

AROD is 35.

We need to go for it. And we need to get AROD more than 1 elite weapon (Davante). So if the Packers think thats AB, then I'm ok with it. But it shouldn't take more than a 2nd?? round pick for what he is demanding.

Ron Swanson · Post #244 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:20 pm

Beyond the fact that he seems like a garbage teammate and a diva, Brown's gonna be 31 when the season starts, and there's no way in hell that I both give up high draft picks to acquire him, and make him the highest paid WR in the league going into his mid-30s. This isn't a Khalil Mack type scenario.

crkone · Post #245 » by **crkone** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:10 pm

Read on Twitter

Perfect fit.

Treebeard · Post #246 » by **Treebeard** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:48 pm

Dougherty's chat from this afternoon

http://live.packersnews.com/Event/Packers_chat_with_Pete_Dougherty_92

On Antonio Brown:

Hi Pete I know you don't want Brown to wear green and gold but lets say it happens. Statisticly they get a great all pro receiver and a huge play maker on offense. This would bring a smile to Aaron and get pressure off Adams. I disagree with you about Brown. Years ago they (the press) said the same things about Risen and he never fell into the horror story that was given to him. Pete we need play makers and a receiver of his stature would unfurl an offense that would be hard to handle. I know your thoughts but tell me why your opposed TO getting Brown and turning Aaron loose on the NFL. This would also assist our younger players giving them more options to develope and get in sync with molding their carreers. Imagine what they could learn with 2 all pros on their team. by Bradin 1:10 PM

Brown is a very talented guy and by all accounts a real hard worker. But he also wants a new contract with a lot of guaranteed money, which only empowers him. It sounds to me like he changed over time as he became more successful and made more money. I just wouldn't do it. I don't think the Rison example helps your argument much. The Packers picked him up after he'd been cut late in the season. He was with them only a handful of games and then the playoffs, and then they let him walk, didn't even try to re-sign him. So he was only a couple months rental. Brown would be a much more significant financial investment. No question he's a talented player and on paper it would be a good move, he and Adams would be a really, really talented receiving duo. But Brown had issues last year feeling underappreciated with Smith-Schuster catching more passes than him. How would he handle Adams getting more targets than he gets? I'd be really considered that he'd be an outburst waiting to happen. He was late for meetings in Pittsburgh routinely, according to reports. The Packers want to ramp up accountability, so if he continued to do so if traded to GB that would undermine LaFleur's efforts in that regard. Maybe it would work out great and he'd be a good locker-room citizen, but I just wouldn't take that chance on a guy who's going to be 31 in July and could begin his decline at any time. I see why he's intriguing to you, he's definitely gifted, but especially because he wants a new contract I just wouldn't take the risk if I were the Packers.
by Pete Dougherty 1:18 PM

On the draft:

I think there are two positions of need that are not talked about as much as edge rusher, and safety (safety could be the biggest need on the team) and that's inside linebacker and right guard. Finding a fast, dynamic inside linebacker could transform the front 7. Look at what Roquan Smith did for the Bears. Right guard was a mess last year. What are your thoughts on the Packers addressing these two positions very early in the draft--linebacker as early as the first round, guard as early as the second or third round?
by mark 1:44 PM

Those are both big needs. They drafted Burks last year for that role, but after one season it's unclear whether he's going to be the answer. Not saying he isn't -- he flashed some explosiveness in training camp -- but he played his way off the field as a rookie. We'll see what kind of jump he makes. It's pretty rare for an ILB to be worth taking in the top 12, I don't know if there are any ILBs worth picking that high this year. But second round, third round, for an ILB or a guard? Sure. I could even see them taking a tackle with their second first-rounder, and if they bring Bulaga back, then the draft pick might play guard as a rookie. It's just a little tough to say they're going to pick this or that with their first few picks, they have so many needs they could take almost any position. Though I have to think they'll be taking a pass rusher early. Pretty hard to see how they wouldn't.
by Pete Dougherty 1:49 PM

Wisky4life · Post #247 » by **Wisky4life** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:22 am

I would sign Bell before Brown

Then sign a healthy Earl Thomas over Landon Collins or just get both guys!!

Post #248 » by **MickeyDavis** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:46 pm

Can Brown or Bell play defense?

Wisky4life · Post #249 » by **Wisky4life** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:04 am

MickeyDavis wrote:Can Brown or Bell play defense?

If Bell can run like he used to, he would basically be playing defense for this team in time of possession.

Wisky4life · Post #250 » by **Wisky4life** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:20 am

2019 Roster
(51 Total Players Listed)

QB: Rodgers, Kizer, Boyle
RB: Williams, Jones, Bibbs
WR: Adams, Allison, Moore, V-S, St-Brown, Kumerow
TE: Graham, Tonyan, (DRAFT)
OL: Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Linsley, Taylor, Spriggs, McCray, Patrick, McCann, (DRAFT)

DL: Daniels, Clark, Adams, Lowry, Lancaster
MLB: Ryan, Martinez, Morrison, (DRAFT)
OLB: Fackrell, Burks, (DRAFT), (DRAFT)
CB: Alexander, King, Jackson, Breeland, Brown, Williams
S: Jones, Brice, Campbell, Thomas, Collins

ST: Crosby, Scott, Bradley
................................................................................................
Re-sign: Ryan, Breeland, Brice, Campbell, McCray, Patrick, Tonyan and Allison

Cut: Perry

Sign: Guard AJ McCann and 2 Safeties.....Landon Collins and Earl Thomas

DrWood · Post #251 » by **DrWood** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:42 am

Treebeard wrote:Sometimes a malcontent is just going to be a malcontent.... If he's bitching about how many times hes' being targeted in Pitt what's he going to do when Adams gets the lions share in GB? Or will he bitch that Rogers spreads the ball around to the other recievers and RB's (new system....). I'd rather they looked elsewhere

Antonio Brown is MUCH better than Adams. Antonio Brown is much better than any WR AR has thrown to. Davante gets all those catches because there was no one better on the roster.

I'd load up to maximize wins over the next 2-3 seasons and blow the MFer up after Aaron can't play at an elite level any more.

Treebeard · Post #252 » by **Treebeard** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:25 pm

DrWood wrote:
Treebeard wrote:Sometimes a malcontent is just going to be a malcontent.... If he's bitching about how many times hes' being targeted in Pitt what's he going to do when Adams gets the lions share in GB? Or will he bitch that Rogers spreads the ball around to the other recievers and RB's (new system....). I'd rather they looked elsewhere

Antonio Brown is MUCH better than Adams. Antonio Brown is much better than any WR AR has thrown to. Davante gets all those catches because there was no one better on the roster.

I'd load up to maximize wins over the next 2-3 seasons and blow the MFer up after Aaron can't play at an elite level any more.

They weren't going to pay the price for Kahlil Mack, who would have filled a bigger need, so I'd be very surprised to see Gute pony up for Brown, unless it's a bargain by anyone's standard. I'd rather they use what draft capital they have to fix the holes on the defense first.

neiLz · Post #253 » by **neiLz** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:54 pm

I don't think brown is going to give Pitt a haul in return. Maybe a late 1st or early mid round pick. I have a question, if Pitt trades him this off season, doesn't his signing bonus go on Pitt's cap this year? the next 3 years there are prorated bonuses from his signing bonus of over 7 mil. If so then the team trading for him are only due his base contract and any roster/incentives, correct? if so his cap hit for the team is basically 12 mil per year... which isn't bad. If he can be had for a 2nd/3rd+mid round i may do it if im the packers.

Ron Swanson · Post #254 » by **Ron Swanson** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:00 pm

Again, for me you just can't overlook the fact that he turns 31 in a couple months. There are maybe a handful of guys in NFL history that I make the highest paid WR at that age. Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson, Jerry Rice and.......maybe Julio Jones once he gets there? And outside of Rice, those other guys are just absolute physical freaks whom I'd feel way more comfortable in their durability and ability to retain their athleticism that deep into their career. Brown just isn't in that class of athlete for me.

M-C-G · Post #255 » by **M-C-G** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:46 pm

Absolutely no to Brown, I like too many WR in this draft that can be cost controlled. Use our second first round pick on his cousin Hollywood Brown instead.

I like this safety FA class and dislike this safety draft class.

I love this edge draft class, and kind of ho hum on the FA class.

I like this TE draft class, don't like the FA class that much, but might take a one or two year deal on Eifert

OL seems like we can find some good depth in the middle of this draft, but won't even pretend to be able to scout OL.

Lots of ways this particular offseason to put this team over the top.

UWM_Brew_Buck · Post #256 » by **UWM_Brew_Buck** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:07 am

ArodpwnsFavre wrote:I don't think brown is going to give Pitt a haul in return. Maybe a late 1st or early mid round pick. I have a question, if Pitt trades him this off season, doesn't his signing bonus go on Pitt's cap this year? the next 3 years there are prorated bonuses from his signing bonus of over 7 mil. If so then the team trading for him are only due his base contract and any roster/incentives, correct? if so his cap hit for the team is basically 12 mil per year... which isn't bad. If he can be had for a 2nd/3rd+mid round i may do it if im the packers.

I would easily take Brown if his cap hit is only 12M, not sure if those numbers are correct though.

Post #257 » by **humanrefutation** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:37 am

I'm not trading two firsts for Brown. The Mack situation was much different to me for a variety of reasons.

But I don't think Brown is going to fetch two firsts. I don't think he's going to even cost one first. I see him going for a second or a third. The contract, age, and diva history will all drive the price down.

And at that price, I'm pulling the trigger.

Post #258 » by **humanrefutation** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:43 am

UWM_Brew_Buck wrote:
ArodpwnsFavre wrote:I don't think brown is going to give Pitt a haul in return. Maybe a late 1st or early mid round pick. I have a question, if Pitt trades him this off season, doesn't his signing bonus go on Pitt's cap this year? the next 3 years there are prorated bonuses from his signing bonus of over 7 mil. If so then the team trading for him are only due his base contract and any roster/incentives, correct? if so his cap hit for the team is basically 12 mil per year... which isn't bad. If he can be had for a 2nd/3rd+mid round i may do it if im the packers.

I would easily take Brown if his cap hit is only 12M, not sure if those numbers are correct though.

The Steelers will have $21M of his contract escalate onto their cap if they trade him. I think that's the balance of his bonuses and restructured salary. We'd be on the hook for annual salary, which is ~$12m for two years with an opt-out after 2020.

Mags FTW · Post #259 » by **Mags FTW** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:56 am

I just don't think that a team with a first year head coach is a good place for a guy with locker room and off the field issues.

Post #260 » by **humanrefutation** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:17 am

Mags FTW wrote:I just don't think that a team with a first year head coach is a good place for a guy with locker room and off the field issues.

I share that concern about LaFleur. But I look at the way a young coach like McVay was able to keep guys like Peters, Talib, and Suh in check and I'm hoping LaFleur has that quality in him. Any good coach will have to figure out how to do that one way or another because even the best teams have to manage challenging personalities in order to win.

It's a risk, without question. But the potential reward is quite high and is far from implausible, as Brown has managed to be a huge on-the-field contributor despite his ego and some of the other drama in Pittsburgh.