Instead of a draft why not hold a live auction for NBA prospects

[FlyingArrow]

It would have to be an auction for draft positions as opposed to players for multiple reasons.

* As everyone has stated, an auction for people is simply a bad idea. For the same reason "live" doesn't work either. And probably needs another name besides auction, too. Probably "strategic draft" or something like that.
* Different teams would want different players with different picks. Thus there is no predetermined order if it's players. But there is a predetermined order for draft picks.

And, as mentioned previously, you can't just let rookies start making the max. It messes up a lot of stuff with the salary cap and the potential to handicap teams for years. So just stick with the current salary setup. Then give teams "ping pong balls" just like they get now (but also give some to the playoff teams), but instead of holding a lottery let teams bid ping pong balls for the right to draft position #1, then #2, etc. The team that would naturally get #5 (based on number of ping pong balls) might decide they'd rather lose the auction for #5, win the #7 auction (paying a lower salary for cap purposes) and save some ping pong balls to try to win the bid for #19, too. Or maybe save up for next year. Allow a certain number of ping pong balls to carry over, but cap it so that every team has to spend at least some, and the championship winner can't save up to get the #1 pick in 4 or 5 years.

[GiggitySmalls]

Can you imagine white owners sitting in their chairs holding their bid while announcers calls black mans to enters the stage and we held auction. And announcer goes "We have now young 19 year old, healthy, perfect white teeth, good strenght etc. Let's go 1st offer 1M, we have 1 M, can we get 2M. "

Are you nuts. Are you ok in your head?

I can imagine it just fine. I don’t see race so I don’t see what the problem is. I’m sure racists would have a problem with it though.

That is the most "WOKE" thing I have ever read on here...

Back to the OP... bidding on people sounds gross.

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[JohnnyNightrain]

If people like you are against it it's probably a fantastic idea.

That doesn't even begin to make sense.

Why not?

Well, I have a master's degree in public relations, extensive training in PR and I do it for a living... so, I think I might have a little bit of knowledge on the subject. That would be like saying "Well, if a doctor says it's a bad idea to drink gasoline, it's probably a fantastic idea." I'm not sure why this needs explanation.

[antonac]

why not just let players enter the league in to free agency.

[KDBG]

Nothing tops the NFL combine feeling like a slave auction. A bunch of black dudes running around in their underwear, being analyzed by white guys. And then the white QBs comfortably just throw a few balls and do interviews. I don't care how much money they make. That's degrading as hell.

[Stavrogin]

That doesn't even begin to make sense.

Why not?

Well, I have a master's degree in public relations, extensive training in PR and I do it for a living... so, I think I might have a little bit of knowledge on the subject. That would be like saying "Well, if a doctor says it's a bad idea to drink gasoline, it's probably a fantastic idea." I'm not sure why this needs explanation.

What's public relations got to do with whether it's a good idea or not? Your concern is perception, not reality.

[JohnnyNightrain]

Why not?

Well, I have a master's degree in public relations, extensive training in PR and I do it for a living... so, I think I might have a little bit of knowledge on the subject. That would be like saying "Well, if a doctor says it's a bad idea to drink gasoline, it's probably a fantastic idea." I'm not sure why this needs explanation.

What's public relations got to do with whether it's a good idea or not? Your concern is perception, not reality.

If that is actually a serious question, you shouldn't be in this thread.

[Stavrogin]

Well, I have a master's degree in public relations, extensive training in PR and I do it for a living... so, I think I might have a little bit of knowledge on the subject. That would be like saying "Well, if a doctor says it's a bad idea to drink gasoline, it's probably a fantastic idea." I'm not sure why this needs explanation.

What's public relations got to do with whether it's a good idea or not? Your concern is perception, not reality.

If that is actually a serious question, you shouldn't be in this thread.

It's 100% serious. Tell me why I shouldn't be in this thread.

[SpeedyG]

I had thought of an auction method, but basing it off cap space or money is not what I would do. Rather, I would base it off assets and capital.

You want Zion? Give up 5 first round picks. Someone else wants him more? They can give up 6 frp. A third team wants to join in? they can throw more picks.

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[CptCrunch]

Idea is brilliant, but you know unimplementable to the specters of slavery in the US

[FlyingArrow]

I had thought of an auction method, but basing it off cap space or money is not what I would do. Rather, I would base it off assets and capital.

You want Zion? Give up 5 first round picks. Someone else wants him more? They can give up 6 frp. A third team wants to join in? they can throw more picks.

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Can't do it quite that way. A LeBron-level player is worth a TON. A player who you think is a LeBron level player will garner a TON but letting a team give up that many FRPs for a bust cripples them forever. That's why a team has to always have at least one FRP every other year. They aren't able to trade away more than that, and can't mortgage the future beyond... 5 years is it? Totally reasonable to prevent teams from shooting themselves in the foot too much, for the sake of the fans of those franchises as well as the potential future owner.

And once you put those restrictions on, almost any team would bid the max for the top level talent. But I do like the idea of bidding resources - that's why I mentioned the ping pong balls. It's a finer granularity so you don't just wind up with everyone bidding the same thing (3frps or whatever), and some teams will have more than others.

[InsideOut]

I put my services up for bid / auction all the time and I never thought of myself as a slave. In fact I love it when more people are bidding at once as that drives the price up and I make more. To compare this to slavery is an insult to the memory of slaves.

[Nuntius]

Why not?

Well, I have a master's degree in public relations, extensive training in PR and I do it for a living... so, I think I might have a little bit of knowledge on the subject. That would be like saying "Well, if a doctor says it's a bad idea to drink gasoline, it's probably a fantastic idea." I'm not sure why this needs explanation.

What's public relations got to do with whether it's a good idea or not? Your concern is perception, not reality.

I redirect you to FlyingArrow's post at the start of page 3. The idea as the OP tried to presented it is just not something that can be implemented. Make it about draft positions, brand it a different way and then it can work. As it was presented, it just will never work.

[JohnnyNightrain]

What's public relations got to do with whether it's a good idea or not? Your concern is perception, not reality.

If that is actually a serious question, you shouldn't be in this thread.

It's 100% serious. Tell me why I shouldn't be in this thread.

So, you really don't see an issue with a professional sports league in America - a league in which roughly 75% of its players are black - having a "live auction" of its players? Really? It would, literally, be one of the biggest PR disasters in modern history. How this is lost on anyone, I do not know. Unless you, literally, have zero knowledge of American history, I don't know what to say.

[Stavrogin]

Well, I have a master's degree in public relations, extensive training in PR and I do it for a living... so, I think I might have a little bit of knowledge on the subject. That would be like saying "Well, if a doctor says it's a bad idea to drink gasoline, it's probably a fantastic idea." I'm not sure why this needs explanation.

What's public relations got to do with whether it's a good idea or not? Your concern is perception, not reality.

I redirect you to FlyingArrow's post at the start of page 3. The idea as the OP tried to presented it is just not something that can be implemented. Make it about draft positions, brand it a different way and then it can work. As it was presented, it just will never work.

Sure thing. I'm not really speaking about the OP's proposal specifically, but generally critiquing the notion that an idea that may have a positive impact may be dismissed on the grounds that it is perceived as insensitive. Btw love Agalloch.

[wade44]

**** give me tens of millions to play a kid's game for a living I'll be a slave. Everyone is too damn sensitive

[Stavrogin]

I don't question the fact that it would be a PR nightmare but you seem to be unable to fathom that I don't give a S*#t about something as dumb as PR.

[Nuntius]

If that is actually a serious question, you shouldn't be in this thread.

It's 100% serious. Tell me why I shouldn't be in this thread.

So, you really don't see an issue with a professional sports league in America - a league in which roughly 75% of its players are black - having a "live auction" of its players? Really? It would, literally, be one of the biggest PR disasters in modern history. How this is lost on anyone, I do not know. Unless you, literally, have zero knowledge of American history, I don't know what to say.

Even if you ignore this whole race issue (which, let me be clear, is not something that should be ignored), it still wouldn't work. Can you imagine putting a player up in a podium and have someone going "here, here, we present this 6'8 athletic forward with a sweet-looking stroke, bidding starts at 800k, who wants to top it"? That, in itself, would be enough to create backlash. Human beings aren't commodities to be sold on an auction.

Make it about the draft picks instead of the players, brand it something other than an auction and then we can talk about the merits of the idea. I still wouldn't be a big fan of it but you can at least make an argument now.

[SpeedyG]

I had thought of an auction method, but basing it off cap space or money is not what I would do. Rather, I would base it off assets and capital.

You want Zion? Give up 5 first round picks. Someone else wants him more? They can give up 6 frp. A third team wants to join in? they can throw more picks.

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Can't do it quite that way. A LeBron-level player is worth a TON. A player who you think is a LeBron level player will garner a TON but letting a team give up that many FRPs for a bust cripples them forever. That's why a team has to always have at least one FRP every other year. They aren't able to trade away more than that, and can't mortgage the future beyond... 5 years is it? Totally reasonable to prevent teams from shooting themselves in the foot too much, for the sake of the fans of those franchises as well as the potential future owner.

And once you put those restrictions on, almost any team would bid the max for the top level talent. But I do like the idea of bidding resources - that's why I mentioned the ping pong balls. It's a finer granularity so you don't just wind up with everyone bidding the same thing (3frps or whatever), and some teams will have more than others.

Bad teams will shoot themselves in the foot regardless. And you can limit it to the 10 worst teams similar to the lottery now to prevent contenders from loading up.

Instead of just frps, you can expand the asset to roster too (combining trades with auction concepts). Say team A is willing to forfeit 5 frps to have the #1 pick, team B can "match" that forfeiture but also offer up a player in their roster for team A not to match.

While 5 frps sounds absurd, I think you have to remember how egotistical gms are and how much they value frps.

While a Zion or LeBron level prospect will garner high biddings, I don't think it will be too crazy.

LeBron had a Carmelo in his draft. Oden had a Durant.

Teams would hesitate to bet the farm when there is an alternative.

it's one thing to trade 5 frp for a veteran Anthony Davis, it's another to do so for a young unproven rookie.

And if no one bids, the picks just goes by record.

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[Nuntius]

What's public relations got to do with whether it's a good idea or not? Your concern is perception, not reality.

I redirect you to FlyingArrow's post at the start of page 3. The idea as the OP tried to presented it is just not something that can be implemented. Make it about draft positions, brand it a different way and then it can work. As it was presented, it just will never work.

Sure thing. I'm not really speaking about the OP's proposal specifically, but generally critiquing the notion that an idea that may have a positive impact may be dismissed on the grounds that it is perceived as insensitive. Btw love Agalloch.

Perception matters, though. It is based on our natural instincts. We can't ignore it.

PS: Agalloch are indeed awesome.

PPS: Agalloch would probably disagree with you on perception. Music, like most artistic endeavors, is based on perception and instincts after all