Andrew Wiggins and the wolves future

[life_saver]

KAT couldn't win with butler, rubio. lavine couldn't do his thing (not enough ball). teague goes from borderline all star to trade filler. maybe towns is the problem.

Wiggins apologists are just a freaking joke...I do think u r a troll or Double account though

[Jedzz]

In a perfect world, i'd go after an aggressive scoring PG, but doesn't have tunnel vision. A guy like Kemba would be a dream, Jrue Holiday would be good too if we had Tyus run point.

I didn't want to get into the Dario things you spoke of so I deleted it. Jrue is interesting if you can get him. If you can't get him, look for players that think like him. Players mentally prepared to bring it each game, who understand both offense and defense are part of it. Players with enough game IQ to be versatile against different opponents. Players that learn to play with their teammates whoever they may be and who can adjust to others.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/jrue-holidays-job-is-to-do-everything-for-the-pelicans-and-he-absolutely-relishes-it/

[Jedzz]

On Wiggins I think there are things the team can do if they are forced to keep/play him. I think there is evidence Wiggins is holding the other players back chewing up his 38 minutes of clock and taking 16-20 innefficient shots per game. If the ball gets to him, it dies with him and whatever shot he dreams up in that moment. It's not getting moved around afterwards, and you can't use him to draw defenders while off ball for others since he's not moving, not slashing or cutting.

If there is no other option then drop his minutes to a max of 20. This gives others a chance to play without him more and I think as a team they need that. Drop his minutes even more on nights he's proving he has no shot and his head is not in it. Let him have his 20 minutes when his game is showing average or above. Some people want to ride with him when he's hot, but again, it just hurts everyone else since he's a one man show. This leaves 28 minutes to let the team surface while still getting something out of Wiggins and his contract. This isn't a temporary idea or punishment. This is a just the way it is plan. If Wiggins doesn't like it, starts to sulk, so be it. If however he finds it easier to perform focusing only on 20 minutes then great. But don't increase the minutes. Maybe he can earn himself a trade out to a team that will give him more time.

[Araxen]

http://www.startribune.com/andrew-wiggins-has-maxed-out-his-welcome-as-a-wolves-starter/506612172/

Star Tribune calling for WIggins to be benched now.

[Grubie024]

On Wiggins I think there are things the team can do if they are forced to keep/play him. I think there is evidence Wiggins is holding the other players back chewing up his 38 minutes of clock and taking 16-20 innefficient shots per game. If the ball gets to him, it dies with him and whatever shot he dreams up in that moment. It's not getting moved around afterwards, and you can't use him to draw defenders while off ball for others since he's not moving, not slashing or cutting.

If there is no other option then drop his minutes to a max of 20. This gives others a chance to play without him more and I think as a team they need that. Drop his minutes even more on nights he's proving he has no shot and his head is not in it. Let him have his 20 minutes when his game is showing average or above. Some people want to ride with him when he's hot, but again, it just hurts everyone else since he's a one man show. This leaves 28 minutes to let the team surface while still getting something out of Wiggins and his contract. This isn't a temporary idea or punishment. This is a just the way it is plan. If Wiggins doesn't like it, starts to sulk, so be it. If however he finds it easier to perform focusing only on 20 minutes then great. But don't increase the minutes. Maybe he can earn himself a trade out to a team that will give him more time.

I like this post. As I was reading I was thinking to myself, don't put in place a 20 minute cap. What if he's feeling it that night? But you're right, even if he has the hot hand, in the grand scheme of things (the whole season, not just one game) he is a detriment to the team.
We need the ball to be moving, developing good habits and chemistry. That ain't happening with Wiggins on the floor. Perhaps if there's a dearth of shooting and Wiggins is having that one in ten game, he is allowed to exceed 20 minutes, but he's just hurting the team in so many ways. This guy needs to be on a short leash.

[minimus]

http://www.startribune.com/andrew-wiggins-has-maxed-out-his-welcome-as-a-wolves-starter/506612172/

Star Tribune calling for WIggins to be benched now.

It looks not very smart, first not consider to trade AW, second bench him. But it is so familiar in MIN.

[Jedzz]

I like this post. As I was reading I was thinking to myself, don't put in place a 20 minute cap. What if he's feeling it that night? But you're right, even if he has the hot hand, in the grand scheme of things (the whole season, not just one game) he is a detriment to the team.
We need the ball to be moving, developing good habits and chemistry. That ain't happening with Wiggins on the floor. Perhaps if there's a dearth of shooting and Wiggins is having that one in ten game, he is allowed to exceed 20 minutes, but he's just hurting the team in so many ways. This guy needs to be on a short leash.

Appreciate the positive vote. Some people will argue he's not as bad as we all claim, that it's just his contract that makes it look worse. But if it's true that he is at all serviceable then at least correct the mistake by forgetting the contract and use him like you would normally use someone of his ability and limitations. He's a bench player and having a better chance to play against other bench players might help him seem more positive.

[Jedzz]

He needs a change of scenery and short of that, if the contract precludes that, this team has to think of itself a little more. Wiggins had made more in his rookie deal than most busts have ever. Then he got the max bump so he's taken care of for life as far as most people are concerned. I would hope everyone can start talking about his play or no play and stop defending anything about him as a person as that isn't the point. Nothing I've ever said about him is talking about him as a person, and I don't think any one person should get this much hate directed at him. He is what he is as a player and there are plenty that aren't even his level. The money paid is a root of evil here, along with the team that refuses to correct the problem to stop the hate from building. As a bench player, people will relax on him. When it becomes financially viable, they can cut the cord and be done. Until then a quick 11 points from him in a hot moment off the bench can be seen as useful microwave scoring instead of 11 pts over 38 minutes in a loss.

[shangrila]

I think Saric is fine. Having a low usage, high IQ floor stretcher next to Towns is ideal. It allows Towns' versatility to be used to it's fullest extent without having someone else stepping on his toes. Given how cheap he is and our financial issues too our best bet is to roll with him for now and make a decision when he hits RFA.

Okogie needs to improve his shooting, that's it. If he does that he's a starter. His defensive effort is already there and he's shown enough BBIQ so far to make me think he won't cause any issues operating in a team environment or with more talented players. It all just boils down to the shooting. His splits are already nice with 43% of his shots from deep and another 30% from 0-3ft (essentially at the rim) with almost none (roughly 14%) of his shots coming from between 10ft and the 3pt line (long 2s). That's the anti-Wiggins shot chart and what you need from a role player.

I agree that PG is the issue though. Teague is just...average, I guess? I'm not sure how to describe it exactly but he's like the baseline for a starting NBA guard; not good enough to be considered good but not bad enough to be considered bad either. Given that we have a star big in Towns we really need a PG that can move the ball and make quick decisions, something Teague doesn't seem to be able to do. His perfect role is probably similar to what he was in Indiana; a 2nd option to a star wing, where his ability to handle and also play off the ball helps to take pressure off said star. That isn't here (and I'm not sure if he's good enough to be a 2nd option anyway).

Tyus is a fine backup and capable spot starter but anymore than that and his warts start to show. He's a quick and good decision maker, which is great, and defence is surprisingly good considering his physical tools. But his offence has dropped off a cliff and without it he's basically a discount Rubio. I mean, he can't be shooting 29% from 3. He just can't.

And Rose isn't a full time starter anymore. The days of him playing big minutes is done, you can see it just looking at the game logs earlier in the season; he plays 30+ minutes and he needs games off, something that's likely built up as the season progressed too given he's still missing time here and there. I also wonder about his value now that his shooting has dropped like a rock (he's shot 19% and 7% the last two months and, no, that last one wasn't a typo. SEVEN PERCENT from 3 in Feb) which will inevitably hurt his driving efficiency if it hasn't already. But either way he's a backup or 25mpg starter at best and so I don't think he can be planned around.

[GopherIt!]

If you don't think Glen Taylor isn't forcing his employees to try to make his 150 million dollar investment work I don't know what to tell you. There's a reason why some franchises do well over the long term and why some don't and it's usually linked to the owner and their philosophy on how to run a franchise. The only reason this franchise made the playoffs was that the owner TOOK HIMSELF OUT OF THE EQUATION to hire a coach/FO by going to a consultant, but once that was done Glen once again pushed his ideas onto his employees(FO/Coaching staff). A franchise just doesn't have over a decade plus of bad luck, there's someone driving too many different decisions to cause that to happen.

The best thing this franchise can hope for is that Ryan(if he's retained as head coach) or the next FO/coaching staff can make Glen Taylor believe in their ideas, sell him on what needs to be done but I'm not sure that can be done(although Thibs being hard headed did get somethings done, Taylor seemed very much against D.Rose on the minimum last year and of course as some have mentioned, allowing Rubio to be moved). Taylor not only took Wiggins out of trade talks when Chicago wanted him when trying to trade for Butler, he went to the media to basically beg Wiggins to sit down and sign a max contract, not the GM, not the POBO, not the coach, the owner did this. Not to mention Taylor telling owners to bring offers to him if they didn't think the FO was being fair when trading Butler. Minnesota's #1 problem isn't Wiggins, it's Taylor.

well of course taylor is. i’m not disputing that. this team will suck donkey butt as long as Glen is in control.

[Neeva]

He’s too comfortable here from the time
When he was handed the reins as a rookie and given the roty award for a very average rookie season. The wolves went about it all wrong with his personality type and that stupid award gave clueless Glen false hope.
Maybe Glen really does like him
But he needs to think of it like having a looser mooch son living at home you need to kick them out for them to prosper and the home to be better.

[dred926]

Wiggins doesnt have it, i am one of the believers and defended wiggins to death but if he said to KG that next year he would be an all star then there should be a sense of improvement. Wiggins is like a regular employee who thinks as long as he logs the hours under his belt is enough, in other words he doesnt strive to be promoted. He would show up once in a while probably because he had a good rest or a good weekend and goes back to cruise mode.

This dude needs an awakening like his fellow canadian anthony bennett atleast bennett has shown improvement even if he is in the D- League, Wiggins on the other hand SMFH

[mplsfonz23]

Wiggins doesnt have it, i am one of the believers and defended wiggins to death but if he said to KG that next year he would be an all star then there should be a sense of improvement. Wiggins is like a regular employee who thinks as long as he logs the hours under his belt is enough, in other words he doesnt strive to be promoted. He would show up once in a while probably because he had a good rest or a good weekend and goes back to cruise mode.

This dude needs an awakening like his fellow canadian anthony bennett atleast bennett has shown improvement even if he is in the D- League, Wiggins on the other hand SMFH

Yeah,
It's almost like he's going to wait until next year to prove it.
I just don't think you can improve your heart. He hasn't got it. And I so much wanted him to prove people wrong.
I have officially removed myself from his wagon. And it really sucks.

[mplsfonz23]

Should change the title to Andrew Wiggins has no Wolves future.

[beezy]

I know it's extremely hard because of his contract but I think the only good outcome is getting rid of him. His whole demeanor and energy saps this team. Addition by subtraction even though it will be painful with little in return.

[mplsfonz23]

I know it's extremely hard because of his contract but I think the only good outcome is getting rid of him. His whole demeanor and energy saps this team. Addition by subtraction even though it will be painful with little in return.

I don't think it would be painful for us. For the other team maybe.

[McHalesBurner]

If we can't trade him, buy him out. He needs to go.

[Folklore]

I know it's extremely hard because of his contract but I think the only good outcome is getting rid of him. His whole demeanor and energy saps this team. Addition by subtraction even though it will be painful with little in return.

I don't think it would be painful for us. For the other team maybe.

Just Glen's pockets. More people will show at the games when they see players that actually give sh$#. Teague and Saric are two other players who show horrible body language.

[mplsfonz23]

I know it's extremely hard because of his contract but I think the only good outcome is getting rid of him. His whole demeanor and energy saps this team. Addition by subtraction even though it will be painful with little in return.

I don't think it would be painful for us. For the other team maybe.

Just Glen's pockets. More people will show at the games when they see players that actually give sh$#. Teague and Saric are two other players who show horrible body language.

I haven't noticed Saric or JT show that, but if so, it would seem more of disappointment as opposed to lack of effort. Wiggins turns the ball over, misses a shot, gets beat down court, and he never seems to be upset. At some point emotion has to come out even if it's frustration. I have a little hope he really does try to improve this summer, but I really don't think he can. His heart isn't in BBall IMO.

Maybe in several years there will be a 30 for 30 on him and some sort of depression issues he's dealing with. Then everybody will say Ahhhhh, that's why he sucked.

[Calinks]

Maybe Silver will bring the Amnesty clause back