Official Frank Ntilikina Thread

[thebuzzardman]

I still don't understand people backing up Frank.

The only thing this guy will do positive on the court is make a good pass or two, an open three, & maybe a steal.

And the whole play defense better than any other Knick not named Mitch.

Obviously he'd need to add at least a consistent jumper to be an effective rotation player, but you ignored his positives. Also, one of the few Knicks that seems to understand how to play team defense. I'm not even calling him some all world defender. But it's pretty hard not to notice he's a good defender, unless you aren't watching the games or just don't care about defense that much.

"maybe a steal". Do you watch the games or read the stat lines?

[BLACKFEET 2010]

I'd trade Frank to the Cleveland Cavaliers for their second pick.

No frank will get trade for late first to teams such as thunder,suns,jazz, spurs, blazers, pacers and piston.

I could see Frank netting the Jazz first rounder this year. It’ll likely be around 20th. He’s Donovan Mitchell’s guy. And he’s French so with Gobert, boom, Frank walks into a ready made comfort level.

[Knickgm2190]

I'd trade Frank to the Cleveland Cavaliers for their second pick.

No frank will get trade for late first to teams such as thunder,suns,jazz, spurs, blazers, pacers and piston.

I could see Frank netting the Jazz first rounder this year. It’ll likely be around 20th. He’s Donovan Mitchell’s guy. And he’s French so with Gobert, boom, Frank walks into a ready made comfort level.

Please tell me you don't believe what you typed to be true. Everyone's opinion on this forum is important. No ones opinion on here is greater than or less than the next person. Saying that the Utah Jazz a billion dollar company will trade a first round pick for Frank because 1. He is Donovan Mitchell's guy and 2. He happens to be french sounds ridiculous.

[Phish Tank]

It doesn’t look good on Perry and Flat if frank is traded for scraps. Another international player that they couldn’t get to work out. Flat already got a bad rap. Don’t want Perry associated with that.


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[Thugger HBC]

It doesn’t look good on Perry and Flat if frank is traded for scraps. Another international player that they couldn’t get to work out. Flat already got a bad rap. Don’t want Perry associated with that.


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KP was sour way before they got here, so he really don't count to their ledger.

Frank never seemed to be in their plans, but making this an international thing is reaching. They signed Mario, he seems to like it here even though he hasn't played all well.

[Jscratch1200]

No frank will get trade for late first to teams such as thunder,suns,jazz, spurs, blazers, pacers and piston.

I could see Frank netting the Jazz first rounder this year. It’ll likely be around 20th. He’s Donovan Mitchell’s guy. And he’s French so with Gobert, boom, Frank walks into a ready made comfort level.

Please tell me you don't believe what you typed to be true. Everyone's opinion on this forum is important. No ones opinion on here is greater than or less than the next person. Saying that the Utah Jazz a billion dollar company will trade a first round pick for Frank because 1. He is Donovan Mitchell's guy and 2. He happens to be french sounds ridiculous.

You literally just told somebody that their opinion is important in the first sentence, then you told him his opinion ain't worth a damn the very next sentence.

[thebuzzardman]

It doesn’t look good on Perry and Flat if frank is traded for scraps. Another international player that they couldn’t get to work out. Flat already got a bad rap. Don’t want Perry associated with that.


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KP was sour way before they got here, so he really don't count to their ledger.

Frank never seemed to be in their plans, but making this an international thing is reaching. They signed Mario, he seems to like it here even though he hasn't played all well.

The org really batting a 1.000 on the foreign guys, eh?
WHG - meh
KP - attitude
Frank - sorta sucks
Mario - see above
Noah - honorary foreigner, not good as a Knick
Mudiay - technically a foreigner, not technically good
Gallo - brokeback, then achieved some success elsewhere

Who was the last foreign player they really hit on? Prigioni?

I know I'm missing a few.
Does Copeland count, even though he wasn't any good anyway?

Who can forget N'Dour and an extra unnecessary win. Or the great Alexi Shved.

[Newyorknick94]

That's your opinion and can't be based on any facts. Frank may perform slightly better on another team can't get any worse. His defense is also overrated. He is 30th in defensive real plus minus while Dejounte Murray is number 1 in the league. That huge differential is not just because Dejounte plays on the Spurs.

That's your opinion and can't be based on any facts. Frank may perform slightly better on another team can't get any worse. His defense is also overrated. He is 30th in defensive real plus minus while Dejounte Murray is number 1 in the league. That huge differential is not just because Dejounte plays on the Spurs.

You've spent most of this discussion dismissing statistical comparisons in favor of your opinions. Interesting that you want to pull out stats now.

Defensive RPM is also a very interesting stat to use to make your case, because it is directly correlated to the quality of your teammates. It's a terrible stat to hang your hat on as an individual metric.

So yes, the differential is heavily influenced by one playing on the 4th best defensive team in the league and the other playing on the 23rd ranked defensive team.

Here are some fun stats though. When Frank shared the floor with KP, we were, by far, the best defensive team in the league. A lot of that is because Frank was the best defensive PnR guard in the league.

This season, when Mitch and Frank shared the floor, we were a top 10 defense, even with our complete lack of talent.

If you have to mention other players names with your player to try to prove a point then the player you are defending ain't that good. You should be able to make Franks case without the mention of anyone else. Again this is about Frank and his ability. Not that of Porzingas or anyone else.

Well he’s saying with frank and kp or Mitch we had a top 10 defense in the league kp or Mitch with any other guard like Mudiay for example we are top 10 worst defense in the league

[Newyorknick94]

It doesn’t look good on Perry and Flat if frank is traded for scraps. Another international player that they couldn’t get to work out. Flat already got a bad rap. Don’t want Perry associated with that.


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KP was sour way before they got here, so he really don't count to their ledger.

Frank never seemed to be in their plans, but making this an international thing is reaching. They signed Mario, he seems to like it here even though he hasn't played all well.

The org really batting a 1.000 on the foreign guys, eh?
WHG - meh
KP - attitude
Frank - sorta sucks
Mario - see above
Noah - honorary foreigner, not good
Mudiay - technically a foreigner, not technically good

WHG-was a second rounder
Kp-was an all star
Frank- was supposed to take a few years to develop and everyone got impatient after 20 games
Mario-was a vet minimum signing
Noah- isn’t even euro
Mudiay-is the worst basketball player I’ve ever seen in my life I’ll give you that one

[Phish Tank]

It doesn’t look good on Perry and Flat if frank is traded for scraps. Another international player that they couldn’t get to work out. Flat already got a bad rap. Don’t want Perry associated with that.


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KP was sour way before they got here, so he really don't count to their ledger.

Frank never seemed to be in their plans, but making this an international thing is reaching. They signed Mario, he seems to like it here even though he hasn't played all well.

The org really batting a 1.000 on the foreign guys, eh?
WHG - meh
KP - attitude
Frank - sorta sucks
Mario - see above
Noah - honorary foreigner, not good as a Knick
Mudiay - technically a foreigner, not technically good
Gallo - brokeback, then achieved some success elsewhere

Who was the last foreign player they really hit on? Prigioni?

I know I'm missing a few.
Does Copeland count, even though he wasn't any good anyway?

Who can forget N'Dour and an extra unnecessary win. Or the great Alexi Shved.

to be fair, Fiz didn't come here on a clean state with regards to dealing with international players and still hasn't reached that point in my opinion.

Perry had to deal with the WHG & KP drama and neither were pretty.

Perry's team in Orlando mainly avoided international players... not sure if it's negligence, ignorance, or just some other priorities.

[DOT]

KP was sour way before they got here, so he really don't count to their ledger.

Frank never seemed to be in their plans, but making this an international thing is reaching. They signed Mario, he seems to like it here even though he hasn't played all well.

The org really batting a 1.000 on the foreign guys, eh?
WHG - meh
KP - attitude
Frank - sorta sucks
Mario - see above
Noah - honorary foreigner, not good as a Knick
Mudiay - technically a foreigner, not technically good
Gallo - brokeback, then achieved some success elsewhere

Who was the last foreign player they really hit on? Prigioni?

I know I'm missing a few.
Does Copeland count, even though he wasn't any good anyway?

Who can forget N'Dour and an extra unnecessary win. Or the great Alexi Shved.

to be fair, Fiz didn't come here on a clean state with regards to dealing with international players and still hasn't reached that point in my opinion.

Perry had to deal with the WHG & KP drama and neither were pretty.

Perry's team in Orlando mainly avoided international players... not sure if it's negligence, ignorance, or just some other priorities.

They did draft Mario while he was there, and they did want to take KP but we got him first

Plus, Vuc.

I don't think Perry is anti Euro, I think he got dealt a bad hand with KP and WHG, and his mehness on Frank doesn't have to do with nationality

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[louisorr]

if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck then it's probably a duck. If a team with a late first wants a defender who can't shoot there will be guys like Thybull available. the difference is he doesn't have deer in headlights issues and can probe the court with his passing rather than just swinging it around the top like a hot potato. I want to believe in frank but the proof is starting to show.

[2010]

The org really batting a 1.000 on the foreign guys, eh?
WHG - meh
KP - attitude
Frank - sorta sucks
Mario - see above
Noah - honorary foreigner, not good as a Knick
Mudiay - technically a foreigner, not technically good
Gallo - brokeback, then achieved some success elsewhere

Who was the last foreign player they really hit on? Prigioni?

I know I'm missing a few.
Does Copeland count, even though he wasn't any good anyway?

Who can forget N'Dour and an extra unnecessary win. Or the great Alexi Shved.

to be fair, Fiz didn't come here on a clean state with regards to dealing with international players and still hasn't reached that point in my opinion.

Perry had to deal with the WHG & KP drama and neither were pretty.

Perry's team in Orlando mainly avoided international players... not sure if it's negligence, ignorance, or just some other priorities.

They did draft Mario while he was there, and they did want to take KP but we got him first

Plus, Vuc.

I don't think Perry is anti Euro, I think he got dealt a bad hand with KP and WHG, and his mehness on Frank doesn't have to do with nationality

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Phish Tank really looking like he is trying to manufacture a narrative here where none should exist.

He detests Berman, but this is straight out of the Berman school of fake news on a slow day if I ever saw it.

But you and Thugger have countered with non-agenda driven facts so hopefully no one else tries to parrot and regurgitate this Euro-bias nonsense.

[thebuzzardman]

The org really batting a 1.000 on the foreign guys, eh?
WHG - meh
KP - attitude
Frank - sorta sucks
Mario - see above
Noah - honorary foreigner, not good as a Knick
Mudiay - technically a foreigner, not technically good
Gallo - brokeback, then achieved some success elsewhere

Who was the last foreign player they really hit on? Prigioni?

I know I'm missing a few.
Does Copeland count, even though he wasn't any good anyway?

Who can forget N'Dour and an extra unnecessary win. Or the great Alexi Shved.

to be fair, Fiz didn't come here on a clean state with regards to dealing with international players and still hasn't reached that point in my opinion.

Perry had to deal with the WHG & KP drama and neither were pretty.

Perry's team in Orlando mainly avoided international players... not sure if it's negligence, ignorance, or just some other priorities.

They did draft Mario while he was there, and they did want to take KP but we got him first

Plus, Vuc.

I don't think Perry is anti Euro, I think he got dealt a bad hand with KP and WHG, and his mehness on Frank doesn't have to do with nationality

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True. None of this has to do with Fiz or Perry.

Just the Knicks really not doing too well with Euro's. Gallo was value as at least he was something Denver wanted as part of the price of Melo. In that regard, I should include Mozgov. Who of course, got better after the Knicks got rid of him.

And KP was a solid pick. Of course, they completely alienated him somehow, to the tune of having to trade him.

Noah I was kidding about.

[knicks94]

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Frank is some type of holy prophet back in his home land or if news broke out that he is related to one of the Rockefellers. In my years as a Knicks fan I've never seen a player develop so much heated discussion over the mention of his name. You have to practically walk on egg shells when you give an opinion regarding him. If you talk about trading him, people will get on you for giving up on a player with a very high ceiling. But if you talk about retaining him for the foreseeable future your opinion will be countered with "Frank has very little value to offer the Knicks and must be done with". Frank Ntilikina is a modern day catch 22, it is a no win situation with him.

[robillionaire]

Frank isn't getting you a late first, you'd be lucky to get a second rounder for him like the Nuggets did with Mudiay

[BBALLER4FR]

KP was sour way before they got here, so he really don't count to their ledger.

Frank never seemed to be in their plans, but making this an international thing is reaching. They signed Mario, he seems to like it here even though he hasn't played all well.

The org really batting a 1.000 on the foreign guys, eh?
WHG - meh
KP - attitude
Frank - sorta sucks
Mario - see above
Noah - honorary foreigner, not good
Mudiay - technically a foreigner, not technically good

WHG-was a second rounder
So was 48th overall Marc Gasol, the guy everyone panned WHG to be. Willy was, and still is lazy

Kp-was an all star
And he brought over and followed a brother who was nothing short of a Soap Opera...and I liked KP

Frank- was supposed to take a few years to develop and everyone got impatient after 20 games
20 games? 20 GAMES? He played well last season and EVERYONE was willing to give him a chance feeling Hornaceck did him no favors. He came back this season WORSE than last season, having upped no part of his game. After preseason and 20 games people have every right to be leery. At that point if he does nothing to dispel the murmurs, then fugg him. No one is obligated to wait years and pray this kid accepts the American game of basketball when all signs point to the opposite. He is just not aggressive offensively, and I don't mean jacking up shots or scoring 20ppg. I mean being a penetration or low post threat, hell, how about a shooting threat. Your PG is responsible for something on the offensive side as well. People were willing to give him years of a pass on the strength of last years defense only, defense that appears to have taken a hit this season.

Mario-was a vet minimum signing
Playing the same way he did last year - stinking it up all year then coming on when only a few games remain. He stinks.

Noah- isn’t even euro
Correct. Plus we got him way past his shelf life. We kinda deserved that.

Mudiay-is the worst basketball player I’ve ever seen in my life I’ll give you that one
He has a few good games here and there, but I would not be happy with him even as a backup. I'd much prefer Kadeem Allen.

[HarthorneWingo]

It doesn’t look good on Perry and Flat if frank is traded for scraps. Another international player that they couldn’t get to work out. Flat already got a bad rap. Don’t want Perry associated with that.


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KP was sour way before they got here, so he really don't count to their ledger.

Frank never seemed to be in their plans, but making this an international thing is reaching. They signed Mario, he seems to like it here even though he hasn't played all well.

The org really batting a 1.000 on the foreign guys, eh?
WHG - meh
KP - attitude
Frank - sorta sucks
Mario - see above
Noah - honorary foreigner, not good as a Knick
Mudiay - technically a foreigner, not technically good
Gallo - brokeback, then achieved some success elsewhere

Who was the last foreign player they really hit on? Prigioni?

I know I'm missing a few.
Does Copeland count, even though he wasn't any good anyway?

Who can forget N'Dour and an extra unnecessary win. Or the great Alexi Shved.

Don’t leave out Tasha’s B’s problems with Gasol. Hornacek was a Euro hater too. Kept on calling them “pussies” lol.

[BBALLER4FR]

KP was sour way before they got here, so he really don't count to their ledger.

Frank never seemed to be in their plans, but making this an international thing is reaching. They signed Mario, he seems to like it here even though he hasn't played all well.

The org really batting a 1.000 on the foreign guys, eh?
WHG - meh
KP - attitude
Frank - sorta sucks
Mario - see above
Noah - honorary foreigner, not good as a Knick
Mudiay - technically a foreigner, not technically good
Gallo - brokeback, then achieved some success elsewhere

Who was the last foreign player they really hit on? Prigioni?

I know I'm missing a few.
Does Copeland count, even though he wasn't any good anyway?

Who can forget N'Dour and an extra unnecessary win. Or the great Alexi Shved.

Don’t leave out Tasha’s B’s problems with Gasol. Hornacek was a Euro hater too. Kept on calling them “pussies” lol.

Shved was actually decent. I don't know why we let him walk. Sasha was a fugging Phil gift. We got him waaaay past his finer days.

[Richard4444]

Knicks arent a anti euro organization. Others reasons can explain the hard time with the euros. Besides, we have a hard time with the majority of americans we sign.

WHG - second round pick. We could not expect much from him. Offensive bigs are easily replaced.

KP - great pick at the draft. Its easily to explain his behavior. First FO have upseted his friends. Have denied playing time to WHG and try forced Melo to be traded. Second FO have made KP franchise player too soon (when he dont have the skills, durabiluly and emotional strength to handle the responsabily). After promised him to max him by FA time, FO tried to send him to a small market team. KP had motives to not trust the FO. But at the same time, the WHG and Melo trades and the failure trade to NO may be considered the right moves at the time.

Frank - Was a good triangle PG prospect. Trying too hard to play triangle was a bad move. Consequently, to pick such raw project at lottery pick was a bad move.

Mario - He was sort of waived from a bad team. We could not expect much from him.

Noah - He was a reserve in a bad team at the time. We could see his was not in his prime. He got a too great deal and only want to party after getting here.

Mudiay - Second round pick value. We could not expect much from him.

Gallo - Didnt see much future with Melo in the team if he was not traded. They both used to play as SF.

Bargnani - Draft Bust. Stupid FO signing. We could not expect much from him.

Kuz - Undrafted. We could not expect much from him.

Thenasis - Undrafted. We could not expect much from him.