Official Frank Ntilikina Thread

[2010]

It sure is. Clearly he was scared to be aggressive all season because of it. My guess is that he re-aggravated it back in December and wasn’t the same since


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You are such an unabashed Frank apologist that KoC's sarcasm flew way over your head

No you’re obsessed with me. Find another obsession in life


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Damn, you not even gonna offer an excuse on how you took KoC's statement as a serious defense of Frank

[Thugger HBC]

Frank was picked within where most experts had him, quite a few had us drafting Monk as well.

Of course in hindsight, yeah he was definitely the wrong pick especially when the team actually worked out a player drafted a few spots later that looks like a star in the making in D. Mitchell.

It happens, not upset by that. I'm at the point where Frank himself has to determine how good he'll be or if he'll be a good player at all.

Frank has solid defense, but that pegs him at best a role player. Knicks need more bang for their buck than that.

Time flies, Knicks will soon have to decide if the are gonna invest in Frank. Current Frank would get the bushes. He has to make real steps forward.

[2010]

Frank was picked within where most experts had him, quite a few had us drafting Monk as well.

Of course in hindsight, yeah he was definitely the wrong pick especially when the team actually worked out a player drafted a few spots later that looks like a star in the making in D. Mitchell.

It happens, not upset by that. I'm at the point where Frank himself has to determine how good he'll be or if he'll be a good player at all.

Frank has solid defense, but that pegs him at best a role player. Knicks need more bang for their buck than that.

Time flies, Knicks will soon have to decide if the are gonna invest in Frank. Current Frank would get the bushes. He has to make real steps forward.

I honestly don't think he's gonna get the opportunity. I'd be surprised if he makes it out of this offseason still in a Knicks uniforms.

[Phish Tank]

You are such an unabashed Frank apologist that KoC's sarcasm flew way over your head

No you’re obsessed with me. Find another obsession in life


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Damn, you not even gonna offer an excuse on how you took KoC's statement as a serious defense of Frank

I won’t because I don’t see any sarcasm on my tablet or my phone. So there’s no green font or sarcasm in my eyes.

I don’t need to offer an excuse. I hope you’re enjoying your eddy curry, Nate Robinson, and Al Harrington posters in your home.... seems like the type of players you love.


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[Thugger HBC]

Frank was picked within where most experts had him, quite a few had us drafting Monk as well.

Of course in hindsight, yeah he was definitely the wrong pick especially when the team actually worked out a player drafted a few spots later that looks like a star in the making in D. Mitchell.

It happens, not upset by that. I'm at the point where Frank himself has to determine how good he'll be or if he'll be a good player at all.

Frank has solid defense, but that pegs him at best a role player. Knicks need more bang for their buck than that.

Time flies, Knicks will soon have to decide if the are gonna invest in Frank. Current Frank would get the bushes. He has to make real steps forward.

I honestly don't think he's gonna get the opportunity. I'd be surprised if he makes it out of this offseason still in a Knicks uniforms.

He probably wont, I cant say I'd be upset with it. He'd be interesting to watch his projectory.

[2010]

No you’re obsessed with me. Find another obsession in life


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Damn, you not even gonna offer an excuse on how you took KoC's statement as a serious defense of Frank

I won’t because I don’t see any sarcasm on my tablet or my phone. So there’s no green font or sarcasm in my eyes.

I don’t need to offer an excuse. I hope you’re enjoying your eddy curry, Nate Robinson, and Al Harrington posters in your home.... seems like the type of players you love.


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I think the groin is where the offense originates from. It's just Frank's offense trying to drop.

The punchline is actually very funny. The fact you took at as a sincere excuse for Frank makes it even that much more hilarious.

Spoiler:

[Billy Goat]

Except it wasn’t a groin pull, it’s a groin strain. Why did LeBron’s physical therapist suggest bron wasn’t fully recovered yet?

It’s not even an issue of age, look at baseball. A ton of players suffered groin strains and missed more than 2 months because of it, look at Gary Sanchez... and that guy in Cincinnati will miss 8-12 weeks because of it


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Gary Sanchez isnt exactly in pristine shape himself. Frank's young and always hurt. At some point, you have to play through it a bit. I think it's already over here though anyways.

Before this season, he missed 4 games. Unless you care to count the summer leagues and preseason - which don’t really matter anyways.

He’s played more games than some of the other PGs in that draft.

But sure he’s “always hurt” when it’s been one injury that kept him out the chunk of the season.

It’s bizarre but DSJ has only played about 6 more games than frank this season. It’s weird.

Talent and skill is a separate issue. But if you think you should play through groin strains, then you’d be the worst person to have running a team medical staff.

Same thing with DSJ and his back


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Fair enough. However, with his NBA career basically slipping away, I'd expect him to fight through a bit more. Or he's just not good and it really doesnt matter, which seems to be the more obvious answer here.

[drekwins]

Frank was picked within where most experts had him, quite a few had us drafting Monk as well.

Of course in hindsight, yeah he was definitely the wrong pick especially when the team actually worked out a player drafted a few spots later that looks like a star in the making in D. Mitchell.

It happens, not upset by that. I'm at the point where Frank himself has to determine how good he'll be or if he'll be a good player at all.

Frank has solid defense, but that pegs him at best a role player. Knicks need more bang for their buck than that.

Time flies, Knicks will soon have to decide if the are gonna invest in Frank. Current Frank would get the bushes. He has to make real steps forward.

I honestly don't think he's gonna get the opportunity. I'd be surprised if he makes it out of this offseason still in a Knicks uniforms.

That's my biggest issue.. opportunity. I don't get why he never really gave Ntikikina a fair shake. The Knicks minutes leaders this year are:

1) Knox - 1891
2) Dotson - 1743
3) Vonleh - 1722
4) THJ- 1499
5) Mudiay - 1471
6) Trier - 1459
7) Kanter - 1128
8) Mitch - 1102
9) Hezojna - 1053
10) Ntilikina - 904

I understand that Ntilikina has been hurt but he played just about the same amount of games as THJr (3 less). Why is Mudiay 5th on this team in minutes? Why does Kadeem Allen average more minutes per game than Ntilikina? Don't give me winning as an excuse. If we were trying to win, Knox would not have the most minutes this year. Bottom line, Fiz plays favorites and is wildly inconsistent with his message. He wrote Ntilikina off before the year even began.

[Thugger HBC]

Frank was picked within where most experts had him, quite a few had us drafting Monk as well.

Of course in hindsight, yeah he was definitely the wrong pick especially when the team actually worked out a player drafted a few spots later that looks like a star in the making in D. Mitchell.

It happens, not upset by that. I'm at the point where Frank himself has to determine how good he'll be or if he'll be a good player at all.

Frank has solid defense, but that pegs him at best a role player. Knicks need more bang for their buck than that.

Time flies, Knicks will soon have to decide if the are gonna invest in Frank. Current Frank would get the bushes. He has to make real steps forward.

I honestly don't think he's gonna get the opportunity. I'd be surprised if he makes it out of this offseason still in a Knicks uniforms.

That's my biggest issue.. opportunity. I don't get why he never really gave Ntikikina a fair shake. The Knicks minutes leaders this year are:

1) Knox - 1891
2) Dotson - 1743
3) Vonleh - 1722
4) THJ- 1499
5) Mudiay - 1471
6) Trier - 1459
7) Kanter - 1128
8) Mitch - 1102
9) Hezojna - 1053
10) Ntilikina - 904

I understand that Ntilikina has been hurt but he played just about the same amount of games as THJr (3 less). Why is Mudiay 5th on this team in minutes? Why does Kadeem Allen average more minutes per game than Ntilikina? Don't give me winning as an excuse. If we were trying to win, Knox would not have the most minutes this year. Bottom line, Fiz plays favorites and is wildly inconsistent with his message. He wrote Ntilikina off before the year even began.

Frank missed 20+ games. If he got his average minutes that's at least another 400 he might have played.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I honestly don't think he's gonna get the opportunity. I'd be surprised if he makes it out of this offseason still in a Knicks uniforms.

That's my biggest issue.. opportunity. I don't get why he never really gave Ntikikina a fair shake. The Knicks minutes leaders this year are:

1) Knox - 1891
2) Dotson - 1743
3) Vonleh - 1722
4) THJ- 1499
5) Mudiay - 1471
6) Trier - 1459
7) Kanter - 1128
8) Mitch - 1102
9) Hezojna - 1053
10) Ntilikina - 904

I understand that Ntilikina has been hurt but he played just about the same amount of games as THJr (3 less). Why is Mudiay 5th on this team in minutes? Why does Kadeem Allen average more minutes per game than Ntilikina? Don't give me winning as an excuse. If we were trying to win, Knox would not have the most minutes this year. Bottom line, Fiz plays favorites and is wildly inconsistent with his message. He wrote Ntilikina off before the year even began.

Frank missed 20+ games. If he got his average minutes that's at least another 400 he might have played.

averages would be a much better statistic here

[drekwins]

I honestly don't think he's gonna get the opportunity. I'd be surprised if he makes it out of this offseason still in a Knicks uniforms.

That's my biggest issue.. opportunity. I don't get why he never really gave Ntikikina a fair shake. The Knicks minutes leaders this year are:

1) Knox - 1891
2) Dotson - 1743
3) Vonleh - 1722
4) THJ- 1499
5) Mudiay - 1471
6) Trier - 1459
7) Kanter - 1128
8) Mitch - 1102
9) Hezojna - 1053
10) Ntilikina - 904

I understand that Ntilikina has been hurt but he played just about the same amount of games as THJr (3 less). Why is Mudiay 5th on this team in minutes? Why does Kadeem Allen average more minutes per game than Ntilikina? Don't give me winning as an excuse. If we were trying to win, Knox would not have the most minutes this year. Bottom line, Fiz plays favorites and is wildly inconsistent with his message. He wrote Ntilikina off before the year even began.

Frank missed 20+ games. If he got his average minutes that's at least another 400 he might have played.

If you read what I said, he played similar games as THJ and has 600 less minutes. What makes you think he would have received 400 more? Kadeem Allen averages more minutes per game. Frank was getting DNPs... Truth is, if THJr and Burke didn't get traded, Dotson and Trier would be under 1200 minutes. Mudiay has no business being 5th on this team in minutes.

[drekwins]

That's my biggest issue.. opportunity. I don't get why he never really gave Ntikikina a fair shake. The Knicks minutes leaders this year are:

1) Knox - 1891
2) Dotson - 1743
3) Vonleh - 1722
4) THJ- 1499
5) Mudiay - 1471
6) Trier - 1459
7) Kanter - 1128
8) Mitch - 1102
9) Hezojna - 1053
10) Ntilikina - 904

I understand that Ntilikina has been hurt but he played just about the same amount of games as THJr (3 less). Why is Mudiay 5th on this team in minutes? Why does Kadeem Allen average more minutes per game than Ntilikina? Don't give me winning as an excuse. If we were trying to win, Knox would not have the most minutes this year. Bottom line, Fiz plays favorites and is wildly inconsistent with his message. He wrote Ntilikina off before the year even began.

Frank missed 20+ games. If he got his average minutes that's at least another 400 he might have played.

averages would be a much better statistic here

Not really, the point is that Frank received 900 minutes all year. We're closing the book on a 20 year old after 900 minutes this year when he wasn't even given a fair shake. Coming into the season, Fiz wanted him to play the 4 more than the 1... 900 minutes is not even a third of the season for a guy who plays 35 MPG. Point is, how is that enough to evaluate and give up on a guy?

[Thugger HBC]

That's my biggest issue.. opportunity. I don't get why he never really gave Ntikikina a fair shake. The Knicks minutes leaders this year are:

1) Knox - 1891
2) Dotson - 1743
3) Vonleh - 1722
4) THJ- 1499
5) Mudiay - 1471
6) Trier - 1459
7) Kanter - 1128
8) Mitch - 1102
9) Hezojna - 1053
10) Ntilikina - 904

I understand that Ntilikina has been hurt but he played just about the same amount of games as THJr (3 less). Why is Mudiay 5th on this team in minutes? Why does Kadeem Allen average more minutes per game than Ntilikina? Don't give me winning as an excuse. If we were trying to win, Knox would not have the most minutes this year. Bottom line, Fiz plays favorites and is wildly inconsistent with his message. He wrote Ntilikina off before the year even began.

Frank missed 20+ games. If he got his average minutes that's at least another 400 he might have played.

If you read what I said, he played similar games as THJ and has 600 less minutes. What makes you think he would have received 400 more? Kadeem Allen averages more minutes per game. Frank was getting DNPs... Truth is, if THJr and Burke didn't get traded, Dotson and Trier would be under 1200 minutes. Mudiay has no business being 5th on this team in minutes.

Frank has been injured for 20 games. Are you thinking he would be dnp'ed those 20? I'm giving him credit of the minutes lost due to injury, that's where the 400 comes from. frank wasn't that far down the list when he was healthy as far as guards were concerned.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Frank missed 20+ games. If he got his average minutes that's at least another 400 he might have played.

averages would be a much better statistic here

Not really, the point is that Frank received 900 minutes all year. We're closing the book on a 20 year old after 900 minutes this year when he wasn't even given a fair shake. Coming into the season, Fiz wanted him to play the 4 more than the 1... 900 minutes is not even a third of the season for a guy who plays 35 MPG. Point is, how is that enough to evaluate and give up on a guy?

i get that. but you're comparing totals against players who were active for significantly more games.

[Billy Goat]

Frank missed 20+ games. If he got his average minutes that's at least another 400 he might have played.

averages would be a much better statistic here

Not really, the point is that Frank received 900 minutes all year. We're closing the book on a 20 year old after 900 minutes this year when he wasn't even given a fair shake. Coming into the season, Fiz wanted him to play the 4 more than the 1... 900 minutes is not even a third of the season for a guy who plays 35 MPG. Point is, how is that enough to evaluate and give up on a guy?

Clock starts once you get drafted. He's not on scholarship. Holding on to guys too long is a bigger issue than letting them go too early. Im done with the excuses. Put up or on to the next.

[2010]

Frank was picked within where most experts had him, quite a few had us drafting Monk as well.

Of course in hindsight, yeah he was definitely the wrong pick especially when the team actually worked out a player drafted a few spots later that looks like a star in the making in D. Mitchell.

It happens, not upset by that. I'm at the point where Frank himself has to determine how good he'll be or if he'll be a good player at all.

Frank has solid defense, but that pegs him at best a role player. Knicks need more bang for their buck than that.

Time flies, Knicks will soon have to decide if the are gonna invest in Frank. Current Frank would get the bushes. He has to make real steps forward.

I honestly don't think he's gonna get the opportunity. I'd be surprised if he makes it out of this offseason still in a Knicks uniforms.

That's my biggest issue.. opportunity. I don't get why he never really gave Ntikikina a fair shake. The Knicks minutes leaders this year are:

1) Knox - 1891
2) Dotson - 1743
3) Vonleh - 1722
4) THJ- 1499
5) Mudiay - 1471
6) Trier - 1459
7) Kanter - 1128
8) Mitch - 1102
9) Hezojna - 1053
10) Ntilikina - 904

I understand that Ntilikina has been hurt but he played just about the same amount of games as THJr (3 less). Why is Mudiay 5th on this team in minutes? Why does Kadeem Allen average more minutes per game than Ntilikina? Don't give me winning as an excuse. If we were trying to win, Knox would not have the most minutes this year. Bottom line, Fiz plays favorites and is wildly inconsistent with his message. He wrote Ntilikina off before the year even began.

Considering Frank's injury I think total minutes played is a poor metric to use. MPG tells a truer story.

Frank averaged 21.0 mpg this season and 21.9 mpg last season.

Mudiay averaged 26.7 mpg this season and 22.4 mpg last season (after being traded to the Knicks).

In comparison, there really isn't some huge difference in the mpg if you look at this without bias. Kind of disproves the narrative that Frank has never been given a real chance in a Knicks uniform.

Last season Mudiay played 0.5 minutes more than Frank. This season Mudiay has played 5.7 more minutes than Frank.

Mudiay simply has been the more productive player.

In conclusion, I don't think the Knicks organization and coaches have been unfair to Frank. At some point the accountability has to rest with Frank for simply not being very good.

[drekwins]

Frank missed 20+ games. If he got his average minutes that's at least another 400 he might have played.

If you read what I said, he played similar games as THJ and has 600 less minutes. What makes you think he would have received 400 more? Kadeem Allen averages more minutes per game. Frank was getting DNPs... Truth is, if THJr and Burke didn't get traded, Dotson and Trier would be under 1200 minutes. Mudiay has no business being 5th on this team in minutes.

Frank has been injured for 20 games. Are you thinking he would be dnp'ed those 20? I'm giving him credit of the minutes lost due to injury, that's where the 400 comes from. frank wasn't that far down the list when he was healthy as far as guards were concerned.

I'm not saying that he would have DNPed all 20 but he's still not receiving the minutes of Knox or Mudiay... which makes zero sense. He didn't even receive the MPG of Kadeem Allen. If Allen played 43 games, he'd be at 1,105 minutes. If he received Knox's minutes, he'd be at 1,212.6 at 43 games. The point is, 900 minutes is not enough to evaluate him IMO. It's just a tragically low amount, injury or not. We needed him to play 2,300 or 2,400 plus minutes this year. It's sad how it has turned out.

[Thugger HBC]

I don't really delve this far, but I'm curious about this....

How many minutes has frank played per position, compared to lets say burke and mudiay?

[Thugger HBC]

If you read what I said, he played similar games as THJ and has 600 less minutes. What makes you think he would have received 400 more? Kadeem Allen averages more minutes per game. Frank was getting DNPs... Truth is, if THJr and Burke didn't get traded, Dotson and Trier would be under 1200 minutes. Mudiay has no business being 5th on this team in minutes.

Frank has been injured for 20 games. Are you thinking he would be dnp'ed those 20? I'm giving him credit of the minutes lost due to injury, that's where the 400 comes from. frank wasn't that far down the list when he was healthy as far as guards were concerned.

I'm not saying that he would have DNPed all 20 but he's still not receiving the minutes of Knox or Mudiay... which makes zero sense. He didn't even receive the MPG of Kadeem Allen. If Allen played 43 games, he'd be at 1,105 minutes. If he received Knox's minutes, he'd be at 1,212.6 at 43 games. The point is, 900 minutes is not enough to evaluate him IMO. It's just a tragically low amount, injury or not. We needed him to play 2,300 or 2,400 plus minutes this year. It's sad how it has turned out.

Dude has been injured, and allegedly was playing some while injured. You're ignoring this some odd reason.

The large is laughable. Your asking Frank to play the same amount of minutes as KD has so far this year?

[drekwins]

I honestly don't think he's gonna get the opportunity. I'd be surprised if he makes it out of this offseason still in a Knicks uniforms.

That's my biggest issue.. opportunity. I don't get why he never really gave Ntikikina a fair shake. The Knicks minutes leaders this year are:

1) Knox - 1891
2) Dotson - 1743
3) Vonleh - 1722
4) THJ- 1499
5) Mudiay - 1471
6) Trier - 1459
7) Kanter - 1128
8) Mitch - 1102
9) Hezojna - 1053
10) Ntilikina - 904

I understand that Ntilikina has been hurt but he played just about the same amount of games as THJr (3 less). Why is Mudiay 5th on this team in minutes? Why does Kadeem Allen average more minutes per game than Ntilikina? Don't give me winning as an excuse. If we were trying to win, Knox would not have the most minutes this year. Bottom line, Fiz plays favorites and is wildly inconsistent with his message. He wrote Ntilikina off before the year even began.

Considering Frank's injury I think total minutes played is a poor metric to use. MPG tells a truer story.

Frank averaged 21.0 mpg this season and 21.9 mpg last season.

Mudiay averaged 26.7 mpg this season and 22.4 mpg last season (after being traded to the Knicks).

In comparison, there really isn't some huge difference in the mpg if you look at this without bias. Kind of disproves the narrative that Frank has never been given a real chance in a Knicks uniform.

Last season Mudiay played 0.5 minutes more than Frank. This season Mudiay has played 5.7 more minutes than Frank.

Mudiay simply has been the more productive player.

In conclusion, I don't think the Knicks organization and coaches have been unfair to Frank. At some point the accountability has to rest with Frank for simply not being very good.

See... that's where the inconsistency is an issue. Knox, as a whole, has been terrible this year. The Knicks could certainly, without a second thought, find a more productive player to fill his minutes. Gulp, Hezojna is more productive than Knox. Yet, Knox plays in order to develop. There is zero consistency.

Mudiay and Burke played over Frank (although they have plenty of experience and have proven that they're terrible over a large sample size) because they're currently more productive. THJr played over Dotson and Trier for the same reasons.

Is Mudiay any different than Hezojna? How?