Trade Thread: Armchair GMs welcomed

[PrimzyBulls81]

It will really depend on draft luck and pick,what we do in FA I think.. If we get Zion, we go hard after big name PG FA -- if we draft Morant, we most likely ,go after vet PG,to help him in rookie years.. but otherwise I would try to get Lopez back for backup C,also
I like the energy and hustle JaKarr brings for backup PF.

X? , Lavine, Porter, Markannen, Carter
Lemon, Arci, Harrison, Selden, TLC, Hutchinson, J.Sampson, Lopez

PG : rookie or vet, Lemon, Arcidiacono
SG : Lavine, Harrison, Selden, Alkins
SF : Porter, Hutchinson, TLC
PF : Markannen, Porter, Hutchinson, J.Sampson
C : Carter, Lopez, Markannen

trade Dunn, Valentine, Felicio, Blakeney for cash,late picks,whatever.. clean up the house a little bit

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Miami is paying luxury tax for mediocrity. I could see them looking to dump salary and attach the 14 pick to do it.

Miami trades: 14, Olynyk, James Johnson
Bulls trade: 37, Dunn

Bulls take on a ton of salary for the next 2 years, but gets another asset and at least the guys they’re getting can be role players. Bulls then draft Morant and Bol Bol.

Morant, Archi,
Lavine, Valentine
OPJ, Johnson, Hutch
Lauri, Olynyk
WCJ, Bol Bol

[League Circles]

This might sound insane but would anyone consider trading our pick in principle (plus Felicio and other filler) to NO for Jrue Holiday? He's a really good two way PG and is still just 28. He's been durable and an all star and can do a bit of everything. Has good size. IMO it's unlikely we can get him without sending our pick, and unlikely we'll draft a better player for the next 4 years.

[Nate3carp]

This might sound insane but would anyone consider trading our pick in principle (plus Felicio and other filler) to NO for Jrue Holiday? He's a really good two way PG and is still just 28. He's been durable and an all star and can do a bit of everything. Has good size. IMO it's unlikely we can get him without sending our pick, and unlikely we'll draft a better player for the next 4 years.

Holiday’s last 6 season (oldest to latest) games played: 34, 40, 65, 67, 81, 67. I’m not sure I’d call that durable. Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s great, and NO should definitely get a 1st round pick for him. But I don’t think he should fetch a top 4 pick, particularly with the contract he’s on.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

This might sound insane but would anyone consider trading our pick in principle (plus Felicio and other filler) to NO for Jrue Holiday? He's a really good two way PG and is still just 28. He's been durable and an all star and can do a bit of everything. Has good size. IMO it's unlikely we can get him without sending our pick, and unlikely we'll draft a better player for the next 4 years.

The salary is what makes it a no for me. It’s a top pick and losing out on 20+ million for free agency. The Bulls can’t get close to Holidays salary.

I like the idea of a pick swap. 4, Dunn, Hutchinson for 10, Holiday.

[TheSuzerain]

We should acquire Alex Caruso.

[Dan Z]

Miami is paying luxury tax for mediocrity. I could see them looking to dump salary and attach the 14 pick to do it.

Miami trades: 14, Olynyk, James Johnson
Bulls trade: 37, Dunn

Bulls take on a ton of salary for the next 2 years, but gets another asset and at least the guys they’re getting can be role players. Bulls then draft Morant and Bol Bol.

Morant, Archi,
Lavine, Valentine
OPJ, Johnson, Hutch
Lauri, Olynyk
WCJ, Bol Bol

That's too much money to take on with the main prize being Bol Bol. But that's just my two cents.

[Dan Z]

It will really depend on draft luck and pick,what we do in FA I think.. If we get Zion, we go hard after big name PG FA -- if we draft Morant, we most likely ,go after vet PG,to help him in rookie years.. but otherwise I would try to get Lopez back for backup C,also
I like the energy and hustle JaKarr brings for backup PF.

X? , Lavine, Porter, Markannen, Carter
Lemon, Arci, Harrison, Selden, TLC, Hutchinson, J.Sampson, Lopez

PG : rookie or vet, Lemon, Arcidiacono
SG : Lavine, Harrison, Selden, Alkins
SF : Porter, Hutchinson, TLC
PF : Markannen, Porter, Hutchinson, J.Sampson
C : Carter, Lopez, Markannen

trade Dunn, Valentine, Felicio, Blakeney for cash,late picks,whatever.. clean up the house a little bit

I'm torn on Valentine. His ability to play a few positions plus his three point shooting might be a good thing to have off the bench. Unfortunately he got hurt this year and we weren't able to see if he improved.

[kodo]

Miami is paying luxury tax for mediocrity. I could see them looking to dump salary and attach the 14 pick to do it.

Miami trades: 14, Olynyk, James Johnson
Bulls trade: 37, Dunn

Bulls take on a ton of salary for the next 2 years, but gets another asset and at least the guys they’re getting can be role players. Bulls then draft Morant and Bol Bol.

Morant, Archi,
Lavine, Valentine
OPJ, Johnson, Hutch
Lauri, Olynyk
WCJ, Bol Bol

Very possible, Riley has stated the Miami plan is going all in on Free Agency in 2020 and he'll need cap space. He said he'll clear that space no matter what, and pointed out the Knicks as an example of how easy it was to clear space even though they gave up Porzingis.

Sounds like he's fully ready to give up on youth for cap space.

[StunnerKO]

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[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

This might sound insane but would anyone consider trading our pick in principle (plus Felicio and other filler) to NO for Jrue Holiday? He's a really good two way PG and is still just 28. He's been durable and an all star and can do a bit of everything. Has good size. IMO it's unlikely we can get him without sending our pick, and unlikely we'll draft a better player for the next 4 years.

**** no. How is that even a question?

[League Circles]

This might sound insane but would anyone consider trading our pick in principle (plus Felicio and other filler) to NO for Jrue Holiday? He's a really good two way PG and is still just 28. He's been durable and an all star and can do a bit of everything. Has good size. IMO it's unlikely we can get him without sending our pick, and unlikely we'll draft a better player for the next 4 years.

**** no. How is that even a question?

Because Holiday is substantially better than a #4 pick in a bad draft projects to be, and is young enough that he probably will be for another 4 or 5 years.

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

This might sound insane but would anyone consider trading our pick in principle (plus Felicio and other filler) to NO for Jrue Holiday? He's a really good two way PG and is still just 28. He's been durable and an all star and can do a bit of everything. Has good size. IMO it's unlikely we can get him without sending our pick, and unlikely we'll draft a better player for the next 4 years.

**** no. How is that even a question?

Because Holiday is substantially better than a #4 pick in a bad draft projects to be, and is young enough that he probably will be for another 4 or 5 years.

Uh - no he's not. Holiday isn't some world beater. I'd rather roll the dice on several other players outside of Zion and Morant than trade for Jrue.

Would gladly gamble on whoever at #4 for AT BEST a borderline allstar PG that is 28 and cant string together a season where he isnt injured.

[League Circles]

**** no. How is that even a question?

Because Holiday is substantially better than a #4 pick in a bad draft projects to be, and is young enough that he probably will be for another 4 or 5 years.

Uh - no he's not. Holiday isn't some world beater. I'd rather roll the dice on several other players outside of Zion and Morant than trade for Jrue.

Would gladly gamble on whoever at #4 for AT BEST a borderline allstar PG that is 28 and cant string together a season where he isnt injured.

Maybe you're not that familiar with how infrequently even top 5 picks pan out, and this is a bad draft. You're a LOT more likely to draft the next Kris Dunn, Michael Carter Williams, Jamal Crawford etc than the next Chris Paul. A LOT.

It's not particularly a comment on how good Holiday is, but the reality of how many bad high draft picks there are.

Also, Holiday is actually pretty durable. He's played most of 8/10 seasons in the league.

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

Because Holiday is substantially better than a #4 pick in a bad draft projects to be, and is young enough that he probably will be for another 4 or 5 years.

Uh - no he's not. Holiday isn't some world beater. I'd rather roll the dice on several other players outside of Zion and Morant than trade for Jrue.

Would gladly gamble on whoever at #4 for AT BEST a borderline allstar PG that is 28 and cant string together a season where he isnt injured.

Maybe you're not that familiar with how infrequently even top 5 picks pan out, and this is a bad draft. You're a LOT more likely to draft the next Kris Dunn, Michael Carter Williams, Jamal Crawford etc than the next Chris Paul. A LOT.

It's not particularly a comment on how good Holiday is, but the reality of how many bad high draft picks there are.

Cool - but we're not talking about Chris Paul, we're talking Jrue Holiday. The likelihood that we draft someone with a top 4 pick that is better or as good as him is much higher.

Maybe you're not that familiar with how good/not good Jrue Holiday is. How do you know this is a bad draft when that can only be said retrospectively. You even start your argument with "This might sound insane". So dont be offended when you get called insane, maybe?

[League Circles]

Uh - no he's not. Holiday isn't some world beater. I'd rather roll the dice on several other players outside of Zion and Morant than trade for Jrue.

Would gladly gamble on whoever at #4 for AT BEST a borderline allstar PG that is 28 and cant string together a season where he isnt injured.

Maybe you're not that familiar with how infrequently even top 5 picks pan out, and this is a bad draft. You're a LOT more likely to draft the next Kris Dunn, Michael Carter Williams, Jamal Crawford etc than the next Chris Paul. A LOT.

It's not particularly a comment on how good Holiday is, but the reality of how many bad high draft picks there are.

Cool - but we're not talking about Chris Paul, we're talking Jrue Holiday. The likelihood that we draft someone with a top 4 pick that is better or as good as him is much higher.

Maybe you're not that familiar with how good/not good Jrue Holiday is. How do you know this is a bad draft when that can only be said retrospectively. You even start your argument with "This might sound insane". So dont be offended when you get called insane, maybe?

I'm not offended. I used the preface comment because fans (and thus GMs) drastically, drastically overrate the projected return on "top picks".

Holiday is a little closer to Paul IMO than he is to scrubs commonly taken in the top 5. Such as Dunn.

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

Maybe you're not that familiar with how infrequently even top 5 picks pan out, and this is a bad draft. You're a LOT more likely to draft the next Kris Dunn, Michael Carter Williams, Jamal Crawford etc than the next Chris Paul. A LOT.

It's not particularly a comment on how good Holiday is, but the reality of how many bad high draft picks there are.

Cool - but we're not talking about Chris Paul, we're talking Jrue Holiday. The likelihood that we draft someone with a top 4 pick that is better or as good as him is much higher.

Maybe you're not that familiar with how good/not good Jrue Holiday is. How do you know this is a bad draft when that can only be said retrospectively. You even start your argument with "This might sound insane". So dont be offended when you get called insane, maybe?

I'm not offended. I used the preface comment because fans (and thus GMs) drastically, drastically overrate the projected return on "top picks".

Holiday is a little closer to Paul IMO than he is to scrubs commonly taken in the top 5. Such as Dunn.

You need to stop using Dunn as an example and several players drafted after him were better in the same draft. Lauri and WCJ were both picked 7th btw - and their draft classes weren't lauded to be that much better than this one.

Think you're not appreciating that it is much more attractive to take the gamble on a 19 year old with potential than it is to trade for someone like Jrue Holiday -- who isn't good enough to even entertain why you would do this AND paying him north of $100M the next 4 years. Its ludicrous.

[League Circles]

Cool - but we're not talking about Chris Paul, we're talking Jrue Holiday. The likelihood that we draft someone with a top 4 pick that is better or as good as him is much higher.

Maybe you're not that familiar with how good/not good Jrue Holiday is. How do you know this is a bad draft when that can only be said retrospectively. You even start your argument with "This might sound insane". So dont be offended when you get called insane, maybe?

I'm not offended. I used the preface comment because fans (and thus GMs) drastically, drastically overrate the projected return on "top picks".

Holiday is a little closer to Paul IMO than he is to scrubs commonly taken in the top 5. Such as Dunn.

You need to stop using Dunn as an example and several players drafted after him were better in the same draft. Lauri and WCJ were both picked 7th btw - and their draft classes weren't lauded to be that much better than this one.

Think you're not appreciating that it is much more attractive to take the gamble on a 19 year old with potential than it is to trade for someone like Jrue Holiday -- who isn't good enough to even entertain why you would do this AND paying him north of $100M the next 4 years. Its ludicrous.

WCJ's draft was rated WAY higher than this year's. I can't recall Lauri's.

There are usually only 3-5 important players taken in any draft. Of course typically one or more are taken outside the top 5. Doesn't change the odds of actually chosing one at 4 or whatever.

IMO it's not even debatable that Holiday is better than a typical #4 pick. It's clear. This is a question of upside vs floor. IMO, Holidays floor is enough higher than the floors of the non-Zion guys to outweigh his lower ceiling (especially their respective ceilings within the next 4 years) to justify trading for him if nothing better develops. Also, he has three years left not 4.

[League Circles]

I just looked at the history of #4 in this era. You have about a 20-30% of drafting a player at 4 who is better than Jrue Holiday.

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

I just looked at the history of #4 in this era. You have about a 20-30% of drafting a player at 4 who is better than Jrue Holiday.

That is such an arbitrary thing, limiting yourself to the #4 slot only. You're better off looking at if there are 4 players in the lottery better than Jrue Holiday. That's almost yes every time, and sometimes by a lot, and again worth the gamble.

I dont get how you could think that trading our pick for an injury prone, mediocre PG who has 4 years left on his deal and gets paid $26M+ each year is a good idea. It's not, and you probably have realized that but want to keep arguing about it.