Season speculation, free agency, and trade ideas: #ValleyBoyz rise up

[darmani]

Corey Joseph is exactly the type of player I expected/hope Okobo becomes.

He's also a Rich Paul client.

[nevetsov]

Knicks get Zion, trade him for Davis. Sign 2 premier FAs (including KD) and form a big 3.

Suns have the option of picking Ja, Pels are intrigued by the prospect of pairing Zion and Ja. We flip Tyler, Warren and Ja for Jrue.

Jrue, Melton, Okobo
Booker, Bridges
Oubre, Jackson
FA, Bender (re-signed)
Ayton, Holmes (re-signed)

[alamin330]

For me it is:

1. Zion
2. Morant

Barrett would be really tempting at #3. We have so many wings already, but we could really use that to our advantage.

If we get 4 or less, we better trade the pick + other assets for a PG.

Would be nice to trade 3 for Boston 9 and 12 if we could get Clarke and (coby or Garland )

Why though?

[alamin330]

Knicks get Zion, trade him for Davis. Sign 2 premier FAs (including KD) and form a big 3.

Suns have the option of picking Ja, Pels are intrigued by the prospect of pairing Zion and Ja. We flip Tyler, Warren and Ja for Jrue.

Jrue, Melton, Okobo
Booker, Bridges
Oubre, Jackson
FA, Bender (re-signed)
Ayton, Holmes (re-signed)

But why? Ja > jrue and you’re adding 2 starters as well. Geez. Nba teams would love making deals with some of you guys

[BobbieL]

Knicks get Zion, trade him for Davis. Sign 2 premier FAs (including KD) and form a big 3.

Suns have the option of picking Ja, Pels are intrigued by the prospect of pairing Zion and Ja. We flip Tyler, Warren and Ja for Jrue.

Jrue, Melton, Okobo
Booker, Bridges
Oubre, Jackson
FA, Bender (re-signed)
Ayton, Holmes (re-signed)

But why? Ja > jrue and you’re adding 2 starters as well. Geez. Nba teams would love making deals with some of you guys

On what planet is Ja Morant better than Jrue Holiday? If Ja Morant becomes Jrue Holiday at the NBA level - he will be a pretty successful draft pick. Jrue Holiday is a good player in the NBA> Ja Morant is a very good player in the Ohio Valley Conference or wherever the hell he played.

In the scenario above - I think most fans would take that type of deal because the Suns would have a boatload of cap space left. They would have 37m going out for 27m coming in obstensibly. Would be able to sign a guy like Aminu at PF

So for me, getting the 2nd pick is not about ADDING Ja Morant to the roster - its about TRADING Ja Morant and improving the roster with veterans.

[BobbieL]

Corey Joseph is exactly the type of player I expected/hope Okobo becomes.

He's also a Rich Paul client.

I like Collison actually. I have moved from Rubio. Collisons ability to shoot better behind the arc is the bigger factor.

[WeekapaugGroove]

If Leonard leaves Toronto but they still want to compete I wonder if they would do a Warren for Van Vleet deal. TJ would slot in at the 3 and make up for scoring lost by kawhi.

Van Vleet would be a solid starting PG. Only under contract for a year but the suns would have his bird rights next summer so could go over the cap to keep him.

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[Crives]

For me it is:

1. Zion
2. Morant

Barrett would be really tempting at #3. We have so many wings already, but we could really use that to our advantage.

If we get 4 or less, we better trade the pick + other assets for a PG.

Would be nice to trade 3 for Boston 9 and 12 if we could get Clarke and (coby or Garland )

Why though?

We already have 4 wings and I’m not sold RJ/Culver will be the real deal at 3. Clarke’s defense would be a perfect fit at pf, and we would be able to pick up another high potential prospect.

[Crives]

Knicks get Zion, trade him for Davis. Sign 2 premier FAs (including KD) and form a big 3.

Suns have the option of picking Ja, Pels are intrigued by the prospect of pairing Zion and Ja. We flip Tyler, Warren and Ja for Jrue.

Jrue, Melton, Okobo
Booker, Bridges
Oubre, Jackson
FA, Bender (re-signed)
Ayton, Holmes (re-signed)

But why? Ja > jrue and you’re adding 2 starters as well. Geez. Nba teams would love making deals with some of you guys

On what planet is Ja Morant better than Jrue Holiday? If Ja Morant becomes Jrue Holiday at the NBA level - he will be a pretty successful draft pick. Jrue Holiday is a good player in the NBA> Ja Morant is a very good player in the Ohio Valley Conference or wherever the hell he played.

In the scenario above - I think most fans would take that type of deal because the Suns would have a boatload of cap space left. They would have 37m going out for 27m coming in obstensibly. Would be able to sign a guy like Aminu at PF

So for me, getting the 2nd pick is not about ADDING Ja Morant to the roster - its about TRADING Ja Morant and improving the roster with veterans.

If we trade #2 for Jrue, we should be able to get back the pels 1st

[alamin330]

Would be nice to trade 3 for Boston 9 and 12 if we could get Clarke and (coby or Garland )

Why though?

We already have 4 wings and I’m not sold RJ/Culver will be the real deal at 3. Clarke’s defense would be a perfect fit at pf, and we would be able to pick up another high potential prospect.

So you want to add two more rookies in a weak draft to an already young and inexperienced team that lost 63 games. RJ Barrett would be number 1 pick if not for Zion and either him or Ja will be there at 3 and Ja will be a superstar in the nba.

[nevetsov]

But why? Ja > jrue and you’re adding 2 starters as well. Geez. Nba teams would love making deals with some of you guys

On what planet is Ja Morant better than Jrue Holiday? If Ja Morant becomes Jrue Holiday at the NBA level - he will be a pretty successful draft pick. Jrue Holiday is a good player in the NBA> Ja Morant is a very good player in the Ohio Valley Conference or wherever the hell he played.

In the scenario above - I think most fans would take that type of deal because the Suns would have a boatload of cap space left. They would have 37m going out for 27m coming in obstensibly. Would be able to sign a guy like Aminu at PF

So for me, getting the 2nd pick is not about ADDING Ja Morant to the roster - its about TRADING Ja Morant and improving the roster with veterans.

If we trade #2 for Jrue, we should be able to get back the pels 1st

Good thinking- if it sticks in the 7-10 range we might be able to land Clarke after all. Gladly throw in the MIL pick or whatever other minor assets they want.

[alamin330]

Knicks get Zion, trade him for Davis. Sign 2 premier FAs (including KD) and form a big 3.

Suns have the option of picking Ja, Pels are intrigued by the prospect of pairing Zion and Ja. We flip Tyler, Warren and Ja for Jrue.

Jrue, Melton, Okobo
Booker, Bridges
Oubre, Jackson
FA, Bender (re-signed)
Ayton, Holmes (re-signed)

But why? Ja > jrue and you’re adding 2 starters as well. Geez. Nba teams would love making deals with some of you guys

On what planet is Ja Morant better than Jrue Holiday? If Ja Morant becomes Jrue Holiday at the NBA level - he will be a pretty successful draft pick. Jrue Holiday is a good player in the NBA> Ja Morant is a very good player in the Ohio Valley Conference or wherever the hell he played.

In the scenario above - I think most fans would take that type of deal because the Suns would have a boatload of cap space left. They would have 37m going out for 27m coming in obstensibly. Would be able to sign a guy like Aminu at PF

So for me, getting the 2nd pick is not about ADDING Ja Morant to the roster - its about TRADING Ja Morant and improving the roster with veterans.

On every planet including earth. Ja Morant is probably already a better distributor than jrue and more athletic as well. Jrue is also injury prone with an ungodly contract. Ja > jrue in the future. Jrue might give the suns 1-2 good years and then have injury riddled seasons until he’s a role player coming off the bench. Unless it’s Ja for jrue straight with pelicans sending us back their pick that is a terrible idea to trade Ja, Warren and Tyler Johnson for jrue holiday. That’s the type of deal you make for a superstar not a starter.

[Qwigglez]

But why? Ja > jrue and you’re adding 2 starters as well. Geez. Nba teams would love making deals with some of you guys

On what planet is Ja Morant better than Jrue Holiday? If Ja Morant becomes Jrue Holiday at the NBA level - he will be a pretty successful draft pick. Jrue Holiday is a good player in the NBA> Ja Morant is a very good player in the Ohio Valley Conference or wherever the hell he played.

In the scenario above - I think most fans would take that type of deal because the Suns would have a boatload of cap space left. They would have 37m going out for 27m coming in obstensibly. Would be able to sign a guy like Aminu at PF

So for me, getting the 2nd pick is not about ADDING Ja Morant to the roster - its about TRADING Ja Morant and improving the roster with veterans.

On every planet including earth. Ja Morant is probably already a better distributor than jrue and more athletic as well. Jrue is also injury prone with an ungodly contract. Ja > jrue in the future. Jrue might give the suns 1-2 good years and then have injury riddled seasons until he’s a role player coming off the bench. Unless it’s Ja for jrue straight with pelicans sending us back their pick that is a terrible idea to trade Ja, Warren and Tyler Johnson for jrue holiday. That’s the type of deal you make for a superstar not a starter.

Not sure about all that. Ja is 160lbs soaking wet. Jrue is probably one of the top 5 perimeter defenders in the league, not to mention his passing has been better than average. He might not possess the creativity and craftiness that Ja has displayed in college, but he’s gotten the job done distributing the ball in the NBA.

I’m not against Ja, and I have him pegged in my number two slot. Hopefully he becomes as good as Jrue has throughout his career.

Also, you’re right though that I wouldn’t trade Johnson and Warren along with our pick. But I wouldn’t be opposed if it was Johnson, our pick, and Jackson. I’d prefer if it was just Johnson and our pick though.

[Qwigglez]

If Leonard leaves Toronto but they still want to compete I wonder if they would do a Warren for Van Vleet deal. TJ would slot in at the 3 and make up for scoring lost by kawhi.

Van Vleet would be a solid starting PG. Only under contract for a year but the suns would have his bird rights next summer so could go over the cap to keep him.

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I’d much rather keep Warren than trade him for VanVleet. I feel like the Raptors are getting a huge deal in their favor here. Prefer an Ibaka for Warren and Bucks pick, though it probably doesn’t get it done. Maybe add in our 2022 heavily protected pick too. Ibaka should be the exact type of mentor we should be looking for Ayton.

[WeekapaugGroove]

If Leonard leaves Toronto but they still want to compete I wonder if they would do a Warren for Van Vleet deal. TJ would slot in at the 3 and make up for scoring lost by kawhi.

Van Vleet would be a solid starting PG. Only under contract for a year but the suns would have his bird rights next summer so could go over the cap to keep him.

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I’d much rather keep Warren than trade him for VanVleet. I feel like the Raptors are getting a huge deal in their favor here. Prefer an Ibaka for Warren and Bucks pick, though it probably doesn’t get it done. Maybe add in our 2022 heavily protected pick too. Ibaka should be the exact type of mentor we should be looking for Ayton.

I think that's way too for ibaka. He'll be on a 1 year 23 mil contract and his improved play this season has been largley from them moving him to C full time where his quickness is an advantage.

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[BobbieL]

But why? Ja > jrue and you’re adding 2 starters as well. Geez. Nba teams would love making deals with some of you guys

On what planet is Ja Morant better than Jrue Holiday? If Ja Morant becomes Jrue Holiday at the NBA level - he will be a pretty successful draft pick. Jrue Holiday is a good player in the NBA> Ja Morant is a very good player in the Ohio Valley Conference or wherever the hell he played.

In the scenario above - I think most fans would take that type of deal because the Suns would have a boatload of cap space left. They would have 37m going out for 27m coming in obstensibly. Would be able to sign a guy like Aminu at PF

So for me, getting the 2nd pick is not about ADDING Ja Morant to the roster - its about TRADING Ja Morant and improving the roster with veterans.

If we trade #2 for Jrue, we should be able to get back the pels 1st

Yes that makes more sense to get back the Pels pick. Good call. Suns would still have plenty of cap space for PF like Aminu

Part of me is hesistant to give up Tyler - I would prefer to add to the roster and not subtract to add. But within reason, it makes sense to me. Jrue Holiday would make sense.

But like I have said - if the Suns get COllison and Aminu, can bring back Oubre, still have Johnson and possibly Warren while only losing Josh Jackson - I would be pretty damn happy with the offseason.

[Ghost of Kleine]

On what planet is Ja Morant better than Jrue Holiday? If Ja Morant becomes Jrue Holiday at the NBA level - he will be a pretty successful draft pick. Jrue Holiday is a good player in the NBA> Ja Morant is a very good player in the Ohio Valley Conference or wherever the hell he played.

In the scenario above - I think most fans would take that type of deal because the Suns would have a boatload of cap space left. They would have 37m going out for 27m coming in obstensibly. Would be able to sign a guy like Aminu at PF

So for me, getting the 2nd pick is not about ADDING Ja Morant to the roster - its about TRADING Ja Morant and improving the roster with veterans.

On every planet including earth. Ja Morant is probably already a better distributor than jrue and more athletic as well. Jrue is also injury prone with an ungodly contract. Ja > jrue in the future. Jrue might give the suns 1-2 good years and then have injury riddled seasons until he’s a role player coming off the bench. Unless it’s Ja for jrue straight with pelicans sending us back their pick that is a terrible idea to trade Ja, Warren and Tyler Johnson for jrue holiday. That’s the type of deal you make for a superstar not a starter.

Not sure about all that. Ja is 160lbs soaking wet. Jrue is probably one of the top 5 perimeter defenders in the league, not to mention his passing has been better than average. He might not possess the creativity and craftiness that Ja has displayed in college, but he’s gotten the job done distributing the ball in the NBA.

I’m not against Ja, and I have him pegged in my number two slot. Hopefully he becomes as good as Jrue has throughout his career.

Also, you’re right though that I wouldn’t trade Johnson and Warren along with our pick. But I wouldn’t be opposed if it was Johnson, our pick, and Jackson. I’d prefer if it was just Johnson and our pick though.

Guys, all of this talk of Jrue is fine and good, But the reality is that the odds of the Pels deciding to move Jrue even after trading Davis is highly unlikely.

In any package that they receive back from a Davis trade, They'll of course choose to rebuild around him along with the pieces that they get back.

I mean just consider what these other teams would have to offer?.......Now add that to their core that's still in place. Also you'd need to consider that the new draft lottery rules really diminish any interest for a team to tank or do a full rebuild.

Finally, With the hiring of David Griffin, And Griffin even himself stating that he has no intention of moving Jrue and would rather rebuild around him, basically nullifies any real possibility of him being traded anytime soon.

As for thr draft, I'd be very happy with Ja at 3 or 4, then doing either the Conley or Lowry trade and having him develop behind them until ready.

If we lose out on Ja, We still do the Conley/Lowry trade and secure our veteran guard to have next to Booker. Then once we know where either Clarke or Kabengele are projected to land, We can now trade back for either player and additional assets (veteran depth).

Finally, we can now use the remaining cap space in free agency to add shooters/defensive players.

Use our exception to get Patrick Beverley. Then roll into the season.

[BobbieL]

On every planet including earth. Ja Morant is probably already a better distributor than jrue and more athletic as well. Jrue is also injury prone with an ungodly contract. Ja > jrue in the future. Jrue might give the suns 1-2 good years and then have injury riddled seasons until he’s a role player coming off the bench. Unless it’s Ja for jrue straight with pelicans sending us back their pick that is a terrible idea to trade Ja, Warren and Tyler Johnson for jrue holiday. That’s the type of deal you make for a superstar not a starter.

Not sure about all that. Ja is 160lbs soaking wet. Jrue is probably one of the top 5 perimeter defenders in the league, not to mention his passing has been better than average. He might not possess the creativity and craftiness that Ja has displayed in college, but he’s gotten the job done distributing the ball in the NBA.

I’m not against Ja, and I have him pegged in my number two slot. Hopefully he becomes as good as Jrue has throughout his career.

Also, you’re right though that I wouldn’t trade Johnson and Warren along with our pick. But I wouldn’t be opposed if it was Johnson, our pick, and Jackson. I’d prefer if it was just Johnson and our pick though.

Guys, all of this talk of Jrue is fine and good, But the reality is that the odds of the Pels deciding to move Jrue even after trading Davis is highly unlikely.

In any package that they receive back from a Davis trade, They'll of course choose to rebuild around him along with the pieces that they get back.

I mean just consider what these other teams would have to offer?.......Now add that to their core that's still in place. Also you'd need to consider that the new draft lottery rules really diminish any interest for a team to tank or do a full rebuild.

Finally, With the hiring of David Griffin, And Griffin even himself stating that he has no intention of moving Jrue and would rather rebuild around him, basically nullifies any real possibility of him being traded anytime soon.

As for thr draft, I'd be very happy with Ja at 3 or 4, then doing either the Conley or Lowry trade and having him develop behind them until ready.

If we lose out on Ja, We still do the Conley/Lowry trade and secure our veteran guard to have next to Booker. Then once we know where either Clarke or Kabengele are projected to land, We can now trade back for either player and additional assets (veteran depth).

Finally, we can now use the remaining cap space in free agency to add shooters/defensive players.

Use our exception to get Patrick Beverley. Then roll into the season.

I think I would rather have Collison + Tyler JOhnson over Lowry or Conley. Using the logic it would cost TJ Warren in any trade to get Lowry or Conley and to get Collison need the cap space from TJ. Like somebody that posted what Lillard said about the Blazers like each other and are a team. Oubre and Tyler Johnson bring to the team an edge, some swag, toughness. Now, for the right player, I would move Tyler Johnson.

[Revived]

But why? Ja > jrue and you’re adding 2 starters as well. Geez. Nba teams would love making deals with some of you guys

On what planet is Ja Morant better than Jrue Holiday? If Ja Morant becomes Jrue Holiday at the NBA level - he will be a pretty successful draft pick. Jrue Holiday is a good player in the NBA> Ja Morant is a very good player in the Ohio Valley Conference or wherever the hell he played.

In the scenario above - I think most fans would take that type of deal because the Suns would have a boatload of cap space left. They would have 37m going out for 27m coming in obstensibly. Would be able to sign a guy like Aminu at PF

So for me, getting the 2nd pick is not about ADDING Ja Morant to the roster - its about TRADING Ja Morant and improving the roster with veterans.

On every planet including earth. Ja Morant is probably already a better distributor than jrue and more athletic as well. Jrue is also injury prone with an ungodly contract. Ja > jrue in the future. Jrue might give the suns 1-2 good years and then have injury riddled seasons until he’s a role player coming off the bench. Unless it’s Ja for jrue straight with pelicans sending us back their pick that is a terrible idea to trade Ja, Warren and Tyler Johnson for jrue holiday. That’s the type of deal you make for a superstar not a starter.

Morant hasn’t done anything in the NBA yet and most advanced metrics haven’t been kind to him in the NCAA either. He’s good with raw stats but it remains to be seen if he can be anything more.

He doesn’t have the mix of crazy athleticism and size like Zion to say that his floor is pretty high.

Jrue Holliday is a proven All Star caliber player in this league. Top 10 PG and you think a rookie who has yet to do anything is better than him?

[Ghost of Kleine]

Not sure about all that. Ja is 160lbs soaking wet. Jrue is probably one of the top 5 perimeter defenders in the league, not to mention his passing has been better than average. He might not possess the creativity and craftiness that Ja has displayed in college, but he’s gotten the job done distributing the ball in the NBA.

I’m not against Ja, and I have him pegged in my number two slot. Hopefully he becomes as good as Jrue has throughout his career.

Also, you’re right though that I wouldn’t trade Johnson and Warren along with our pick. But I wouldn’t be opposed if it was Johnson, our pick, and Jackson. I’d prefer if it was just Johnson and our pick though.

Guys, all of this talk of Jrue is fine and good, But the reality is that the odds of the Pels deciding to move Jrue even after trading Davis is highly unlikely.

In any package that they receive back from a Davis trade, They'll of course choose to rebuild around him along with the pieces that they get back.

I mean just consider what these other teams would have to offer?.......Now add that to their core that's still in place. Also you'd need to consider that the new draft lottery rules really diminish any interest for a team to tank or do a full rebuild.

Finally, With the hiring of David Griffin, And Griffin even himself stating that he has no intention of moving Jrue and would rather rebuild around him, basically nullifies any real possibility of him being traded anytime soon.

As for thr draft, I'd be very happy with Ja at 3 or 4, then doing either the Conley or Lowry trade and having him develop behind them until ready.

If we lose out on Ja, We still do the Conley/Lowry trade and secure our veteran guard to have next to Booker. Then once we know where either Clarke or Kabengele are projected to land, We can now trade back for either player and additional assets (veteran depth).

Finally, we can now use the remaining cap space in free agency to add shooters/defensive players.

Use our exception to get Patrick Beverley. Then roll into the season.

I think I would rather have Collison + Tyler JOhnson over Lowry or Conley. Using the logic it would cost TJ Warren in any trade to get Lowry or Conley and to get Collison need the cap space from TJ. Like somebody that posted what Lillard said about the Blazers like each other and are a team. Oubre and Tyler Johnson bring to the team an edge, some swag, toughness. Now, for the right player, I would move Tyler Johnson.

To each their own man

I like Collison as well, am ok with Tyler Johnson so far, but would expect a lot more production,
given the size of his contract.

Having said that, I for my part, would much rather take my chances on a player the caliber of Conley to lead our team into the playoffs and back to some modicum of respectability than compared to the odds of Johnson getting us there as our lead guard.

As for Lowry, again, He'd be an even bigger expiring contract for us to use same as what Tyler Johnson would be to us to use in a trade for a possible max player. But both Conley and Lowry provide much better passing, more accomplished, and also are good defensively as well.

Now Warren may be kept around, However, I expect that he was kept out for so long as to not diminish his value in an upcoming planned trade that is being developed by our cryptic front office.

The fact is, that Warren is that even though Warren is a good scorer, He unfortunately provides almost no defense, doesn't pass, is injury prone.

And as a result, is most likely, the primary option of our front office( Thanks to the emergence of Oubre, as well as the improved play of Jackson as of late) to be included in a trade in order to help clear the glut at the wing position, whilst also addressing our two areas of greatest need at point guard and power forward.

This is just the direction that I see the suns going on Warren personally. Also, I like Aminu, and proposed trying to trade for him back when we had Ariza, But I don't think that Portland will give him up, as they really like him and what he brings to their team.