Season speculation, free agency, and trade ideas: #ValleyBoyz rise up

[Ghost of Kleine]

Good franchises find the under appreciated or blocked guys and bring them in on a bargain deals that pay huge dividends if they work out. Situation is often a huge determining factor for players on the margins and there are guys who will be available this summer that can help. The key is having a front office that can identify them and coaching staff that plays them to their strengths allowing their game to blossom.

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Agreed, this offseason will be huge for Jones/Bowers and our cryptic front office. We'll get a really good idea as to their skill level and competency based upon the decisions they make this summer.

Definitely an anxious time for us all.

[Crives]

Good franchises find the under appreciated or blocked guys and bring them in on a bargain deals that pay huge dividends if they work out. Situation is often a huge determining factor for players on the margins and there are guys who will be available this summer that can help. The key is having a front office that can identify them and coaching staff that plays them to their strengths allowing their game to blossom.

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Agreed, this offseason will be huge for Jones/Bowers and our cryptic front office. We'll get a really good idea as to their skill level and competency based upon the decisions they make this summer.

Definitely an anxious time for us all.

And on the bright side, we don’t have a lot of cap... when you think about it, it’s actually hard to screw up this summer through FA alone.

[BobbieL]

Good franchises find the under appreciated or blocked guys and bring them in on a bargain deals that pay huge dividends if they work out. Situation is often a huge determining factor for players on the margins and there are guys who will be available this summer that can help. The key is having a front office that can identify them and coaching staff that plays them to their strengths allowing their game to blossom.

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Agreed, this offseason will be huge for Jones/Bowers and our cryptic front office. We'll get a really good idea as to their skill level and competency based upon the decisions they make this summer.

Definitely an anxious time for us all.

And on the bright side, we don’t have a lot of cap... when you think about it, it’s actually hard to screw up this summer through FA alone.

How long have you been a Suns fan under SArver? Where there is a wil there is a way


I am hoping to smart sensible maybe not aggressive but more pragmatic look at Free Agency this summer. And nothing in the first 1 minute of free agency unless its truly the absolute best fit and not Chandler or Ariza.

[Crives]

Agreed, this offseason will be huge for Jones/Bowers and our cryptic front office. We'll get a really good idea as to their skill level and competency based upon the decisions they make this summer.

Definitely an anxious time for us all.

And on the bright side, we don’t have a lot of cap... when you think about it, it’s actually hard to screw up this summer through FA alone.

How long have you been a Suns fan under SArver? Where there is a wil there is a way


I am hoping to smart sensible maybe not aggressive but more pragmatic look at Free Agency this summer. And nothing in the first 1 minute of free agency unless its truly the absolute best fit and not Chandler or Ariza.

Maybe 15 years.

But really, we don’t have the cap to do something stupid like Turk/Chandler/Knight this summer. If we mess up it’s going to be through a trade.

[Years90Suns]

Thoughts on Ed Davis as a FA this off season? I saw his name on the list of available PF's a few weeks ago that someone posted and he seems like he could be the same kind of influence as Crawford is/was. Steady player who knows his role and also fills a need. How much will he cost next year?

I like Ed Davis, but he is strictly a C nowadays. He never plays PF anymore (like Faried).

He would be the perfect backup C for us, he is one of the best rebounders in the league and he is better defensively and smarter with the ball than Holmes. The guy doesn't commit mistakes.

Other name that I want to comment is JaMychal Green.

He IS a PF who is very good on defense and he is tough. He is a good 3p shooter and probably is the most realistic target for us in FA at that position. He will be 29 next season, I would be OK giving to him a $24M / 3 years contract.

James Jones said in a recent interview that we are gonna try to get a PF with his profile...

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Need to add a tougher dimension next to Ayton? Even Jones thinks Ayton is soft.

I also thought that...
May be he just thinks Ayton needs to learn the ropes of the NBA from someone who knows them.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I like Ed Davis, but he is strictly a C nowadays. He never plays PF anymore (like Faried).

He would be the perfect backup C for us, he is one of the best rebounders in the league and he is better defensively and smarter with the ball than Holmes. The guy doesn't commit mistakes.

Other name that I want to comment is JaMychal Green.

He IS a PF who is very good on defense and he is tough. He is a good 3p shooter and probably is the most realistic target for us in FA at that position. He will be 29 next season, I would be OK giving to him a $24M / 3 years contract.

James Jones said in a recent interview that we are gonna try to get a PF with his profile...

Read on Twitter

Need to add a tougher dimension next to Ayton? Even Jones thinks Ayton is soft.

I also thought that...
May be he just thinks Ayton needs to learn the ropes of the NBA from someone who knows them.

Or he saw they were litteraly last in the NBA in rebounding. Last

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[Frank Lee]

Speculate

TJohnson 4 yrs (redo his deal)
DBook 5 yrs
Ayton 4+yrs
Oubre 4 yrs (likely)
Bridges 4 yrs
Warren 3 yrs
Holmes 3 yrs


Thats a pretty solid 7 to have under contract for the next 3 yrs.

Now add 1,2,#3 draft pick if lucky (or some other later pick sleeper) for 4 yrs
Jackson for 2 if he makes it
FA (PF or PG, depending on our draft) 2-3 yrs
May be Bender for 2
Crawford as long as he wants(the glue)

Dudes, Im pretty comfortable going forward with that pack of young hungry losers. Would rather forge on than make some risky trade involving anyone (but Jackson). The rest can stay, and should. Thats a home grown team with some budding stars, some flat out gymrats, some swag, and for the most part, likable players who like each other. The winning will come.

[Frank Lee]

Gotta take a nap now....

That optimism is exhausting

[Crives]

Speculate

TJohnson 4 yrs (redo his deal)
DBook 5 yrs
Ayton 4+yrs
Oubre 4 yrs (likely)
Bridges 4 yrs
Warren 3 yrs
Holmes 3 yrs


Thats a pretty solid 7 to have under contract for the next 3 yrs.

Now add 1,2,#3 draft pick if lucky (or some other later pick sleeper) for 4 yrs
Jackson for 2 if he makes it
FA (PF or PG, depending on our draft) 2-3 yrs
May be Bender for 2
Crawford as long as he wants(the glue)

Dudes, Im pretty comfortable going forward with that pack of young hungry losers. Would rather forge on than make some risky trade involving anyone (but Jackson). The rest can stay, and should. Thats a home grown team with some budding stars, some flat out gymrats, some swag, and for the most part, likable players who like each other. The winning will come.

Looks even better when you change Ayton/Bridges to 9 with our RFA tag

[cberry78]

Speculate

TJohnson 4 yrs (redo his deal)
DBook 5 yrs
Ayton 4+yrs
Oubre 4 yrs (likely)
Bridges 4 yrs
Warren 3 yrs
Holmes 3 yrs


Thats a pretty solid 7 to have under contract for the next 3 yrs.

Now add 1,2,#3 draft pick if lucky (or some other later pick sleeper) for 4 yrs
Jackson for 2 if he makes it
FA (PF or PG, depending on our draft) 2-3 yrs
May be Bender for 2
Crawford as long as he wants(the glue)

Dudes, Im pretty comfortable going forward with that pack of young hungry losers. Would rather forge on than make some risky trade involving anyone (but Jackson). The rest can stay, and should. Thats a home grown team with some budding stars, some flat out gymrats, some swag, and for the most part, likable players who like each other. The winning will come.

You can make Bridges 4+ since he's on his rookie deal like Ayton, we control them both for 7+ years if we want them.

[Crives]

Any bets on if he’s planning to improve rebounding or passing this summer?

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[alamin330]

I see some Kawhi potential in Rui. If suns dont get Zion or Ja maybe try and find a way to get Rui.

[Frank Lee]

Any bets on if he’s planning to improve rebounding or passing this summer?

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and some want to trade this basketball machine ???

[lazyboy62]

Offer D'Lo max on day one. Wait. There is going to be a lot of huge money floating around with all these free agency starts. I don't think that anyof them are gonna be here so let some of the big dogs hunt and pick off the remains. Trade Warren to Boston for one or two of their first round picks. Why would Boston do that? Cap space and a reserve wing if they need to make a push for AD. At 14 take Clarke if he is there or Garland if not. Re-Do Johnson or Bender.

Or get involved in the AD trade market with our pick or the Mil pick with Johnson and Jackson as bait, maybe Warren if need be. I know that this isn't optimum but we could end up golden.

[lilfishi22]

Offer D'Lo max on day one. Wait. There is going to be a lot of huge money floating around with all these free agency starts. I don't think that anyof them are gonna be here so let some of the big dogs hunt and pick off the remains. Trade Warren to Boston for one or two of their first round picks. Why would Boston do that? Cap space and a reserve wing if they need to make a push for AD. At 14 take Clarke if he is there or Garland if not. Re-Do Johnson or Bender.

Or get involved in the AD trade market with our pick or the Mil pick with Johnson and Jackson as bait, maybe Warren if need be. I know that this isn't optimum but we could end up golden.

Salary cap doesn't work like that

We don't have max cap space to even offer DLo money

Boston can't just trade a pick for Warren/cap space because they don't have cap space in the first place to take on Warren

Also you're not touching AD with our picks and Johnson and Jackson (lol as bait) or even Warren

[Kerrsed]

Any bets on if he’s planning to improve rebounding or passing this summer?

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Out of anything that it could be i hope its Defense.

[BobbieL]

Speculate

TJohnson 4 yrs (redo his deal)
DBook 5 yrs
Ayton 4+yrs
Oubre 4 yrs (likely)
Bridges 4 yrs
Warren 3 yrs
Holmes 3 yrs


Thats a pretty solid 7 to have under contract for the next 3 yrs.

Now add 1,2,#3 draft pick if lucky (or some other later pick sleeper) for 4 yrs
Jackson for 2 if he makes it
FA (PF or PG, depending on our draft) 2-3 yrs
May be Bender for 2
Crawford as long as he wants(the glue)

Dudes, Im pretty comfortable going forward with that pack of young hungry losers. Would rather forge on than make some risky trade involving anyone (but Jackson). The rest can stay, and should. Thats a home grown team with some budding stars, some flat out gymrats, some swag, and for the most part, likable players who like each other. The winning will come.

Frank - what do you think a good figure for Tyler Johnson would be. He is owed 19m so if you add 30/3 - that makes him 49/4 s- a cap hit of 12m so cap savings of 7m -- but would he take that deal. The Suns are not the SPurs.

I want to keep Warren - have said that many time

If you re-do Tyler that might give close to enough money. Though I still would not want Morant - want a veteran

Gambo mentioned Thad Young for the PF spot. Thats a pretty decent option to me.

[lazyboy62]

yeah, you're right there is no way that we could throw a pick and some bait to get involved with the AD stuff, **** there's a reason I'm a daily reader and not a poster. Well, thanks for reading, back to lurking.

[alamin330]

Speculate

TJohnson 4 yrs (redo his deal)
DBook 5 yrs
Ayton 4+yrs
Oubre 4 yrs (likely)
Bridges 4 yrs
Warren 3 yrs
Holmes 3 yrs


Thats a pretty solid 7 to have under contract for the next 3 yrs.

Now add 1,2,#3 draft pick if lucky (or some other later pick sleeper) for 4 yrs
Jackson for 2 if he makes it
FA (PF or PG, depending on our draft) 2-3 yrs
May be Bender for 2
Crawford as long as he wants(the glue)

Dudes, Im pretty comfortable going forward with that pack of young hungry losers. Would rather forge on than make some risky trade involving anyone (but Jackson). The rest can stay, and should. Thats a home grown team with some budding stars, some flat out gymrats, some swag, and for the most part, likable players who like each other. The winning will come.

Frank - what do you think a good figure for Tyler Johnson would be. He is owed 19m so if you add 30/3 - that makes him 49/4 s- a cap hit of 12m so cap savings of 7m -- but would he take that deal. The Suns are not the SPurs.

I want to keep Warren - have said that many time

If you re-do Tyler that might give close to enough money. Though I still would not want Morant - want a veteran

Gambo mentioned Thad Young for the PF spot. Thats a pretty decent option to me.

Ja Morant will be a top 5 pg in 3-4 years time. He's like a mix of damian lillard and westbrook. How could anyone not want that? He might end up being the best player from this draft depending on if Zion improves his outside shot. Suns will be stacked if we get Zion, Ja or Rui.

[lilfishi22]

yeah, you're right there is no way that we could throw a pick and some bait to get involved with the AD stuff, **** there's a reason I'm a daily reader and not a poster. Well, thanks for reading, back to lurking.

I think this offseason is going to be quiet unless we get blindsided by a trade that includes one of our big salaries. We essentially have our max guy already in Booker, we'll need to pay Oubre, Holmes (maybe) and we still somehow need to find a good PF that wouldn't cost too much. Oh and the addition of our top pick.

I don't think we should expect anything major though