Igor fired - New Coaching Search Discussion

[MathiasPW]

Been critical of Igor but at this point you might as well keep him. There is some value in consistency. I think there was some improvement in terms of how the offense worked as well toward the end of the season.

His results obviously suck but the poor construction of the team, youth, and abundance of injuries can't be discounted. Those things aren't his fault.

And its not as though Walton would be some kind of home-run hire. He just got done cucking to LeBron for a season only to get fired anyway. He did fine with the Warriors but that squad was on autopilot and anyone on this forum could have 'coached' that team just as well.

Huge value in continuity! Imma gonna do a statistical analysis on this and be hired by TheStepien or smt.



HOW DO I POST GiFS HERE??

[oligo]

I dunno about you guys, I've been supporting Kokoskov all season long, but at the end of the day, when you draw a line and you do a list of good and bad things that happened during the season, I'm leaning more towards firing Kokoskov and hiring a new coach. Of course, it all depends on who is going to be available and who will show some interest to cooperate with Sarver and FO team, but at the end of the day, I would still pull a trigger.

The drawbacks from the last couple of seasons were just too obvious. First and the most on the defensive end. The Suns drafted #1 pick and you kinda expect that by getting a 7ft 250lbs rim-roller guy you will fill the gap in the paint, get some shot-blocking presence and somehow make opposing teams struggle just a little bit more. Nothing of that happened. There were literally TONS of games where opponents were having alley-oop parties, easy dribbles under the rim, Suns were in total disorder on the court, Ayton always caught standing on the wrong foot on defensive end, etc etc...

Despite the fact Suns drafted Ayton, Suns won just 19 games and that's even less than last year. Luckily, GSW and MIL didn't take the Suns seriously enough, so the Suns extracted 3 more wins. Suns finished 14 wins behind the second-to-last team on Western conference, this margin is just too big. Also, don't forget, Suns also set some NBA and franchise records as well.

I don't know, I'm quite undecided, but I would prefer to see some changes on the coaching end.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I dunno about you guys, I've been supporting Kokoskov all season long, but at the end of the day, when you draw a line and you do a list of good and bad things that happened during the season, I'm leaning more towards firing Kokoskov and hiring a new coach. Of course, it all depends on who is going to be available and who will show some interest to cooperate with Sarver and FO team, but at the end of the day, I would still pull a trigger.

The drawbacks from the last couple of seasons were just too obvious. First and the most on the defensive end. The Suns drafted #1 pick and you kinda expect that by getting a 7ft 250lbs rim-roller guy you will fill the gap in the paint, get some shot-blocking presence and somehow make opposing teams struggle just a little bit more. Nothing of that happened. There were literally TONS of games where opponents were having alley-oop parties, easy dribbles under the rim, Suns were in total disorder on the court, Ayton always caught standing on the wrong foot on defensive end, etc etc...

Despite the fact Suns drafted Ayton, Suns won just 19 games and that's even less than last year. Luckily, GSW and MIL didn't take the Suns seriously enough, so the Suns extracted 3 more wins. Suns finished 14 wins behind the second-to-last team on Western conference, this margin is just too big. Also, don't forget, Suns also set some NBA and franchise records as well.

I don't know, I'm quite undecided, but I would prefer to see some changes on the coaching end.

I take it you weren't familiar with Ayton as a prospect? Honestly he was better than expected on D.

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[lilfishi22]

I dunno about you guys, I've been supporting Kokoskov all season long, but at the end of the day, when you draw a line and you do a list of good and bad things that happened during the season, I'm leaning more towards firing Kokoskov and hiring a new coach. Of course, it all depends on who is going to be available and who will show some interest to cooperate with Sarver and FO team, but at the end of the day, I would still pull a trigger.

The drawbacks from the last couple of seasons were just too obvious. First and the most on the defensive end. The Suns drafted #1 pick and you kinda expect that by getting a 7ft 250lbs rim-roller guy you will fill the gap in the paint, get some shot-blocking presence and somehow make opposing teams struggle just a little bit more. Nothing of that happened. There were literally TONS of games where opponents were having alley-oop parties, easy dribbles under the rim, Suns were in total disorder on the court, Ayton always caught standing on the wrong foot on defensive end, etc etc...

Despite the fact Suns drafted Ayton, Suns won just 19 games and that's even less than last year. Luckily, GSW and MIL didn't take the Suns seriously enough, so the Suns extracted 3 more wins. Suns finished 14 wins behind the second-to-last team on Western conference, this margin is just too big. Also, don't forget, Suns also set some NBA and franchise records as well.

I don't know, I'm quite undecided, but I would prefer to see some changes on the coaching end.

I take it you weren't familiar with Ayton as a prospect? Honestly he was better than expected on D.

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[oligo]

I dunno about you guys, I've been supporting Kokoskov all season long, but at the end of the day, when you draw a line and you do a list of good and bad things that happened during the season, I'm leaning more towards firing Kokoskov and hiring a new coach. Of course, it all depends on who is going to be available and who will show some interest to cooperate with Sarver and FO team, but at the end of the day, I would still pull a trigger.

The drawbacks from the last couple of seasons were just too obvious. First and the most on the defensive end. The Suns drafted #1 pick and you kinda expect that by getting a 7ft 250lbs rim-roller guy you will fill the gap in the paint, get some shot-blocking presence and somehow make opposing teams struggle just a little bit more. Nothing of that happened. There were literally TONS of games where opponents were having alley-oop parties, easy dribbles under the rim, Suns were in total disorder on the court, Ayton always caught standing on the wrong foot on defensive end, etc etc...

Despite the fact Suns drafted Ayton, Suns won just 19 games and that's even less than last year. Luckily, GSW and MIL didn't take the Suns seriously enough, so the Suns extracted 3 more wins. Suns finished 14 wins behind the second-to-last team on Western conference, this margin is just too big. Also, don't forget, Suns also set some NBA and franchise records as well.

I don't know, I'm quite undecided, but I would prefer to see some changes on the coaching end.

I take it you weren't familiar with Ayton as a prospect? Honestly he was better than expected on D.

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I dunno why you need to fire shots on me just because I wrote my opinion about Ayton's D. I will always say my opinion no matter if somebody here likes it or not.

BTW, when we're talking about Ayton's "better than expected" defense, you might check for example game @CLE played on 2/21/2019 against one of the worst offensive teams in the league. Both teams were having a healthy roaster and I must say Ayton did not impress me. And there were tons of games like this in this season.

[bwgood77]

I dunno about you guys, I've been supporting Kokoskov all season long, but at the end of the day, when you draw a line and you do a list of good and bad things that happened during the season, I'm leaning more towards firing Kokoskov and hiring a new coach. Of course, it all depends on who is going to be available and who will show some interest to cooperate with Sarver and FO team, but at the end of the day, I would still pull a trigger.

The drawbacks from the last couple of seasons were just too obvious. First and the most on the defensive end. The Suns drafted #1 pick and you kinda expect that by getting a 7ft 250lbs rim-roller guy you will fill the gap in the paint, get some shot-blocking presence and somehow make opposing teams struggle just a little bit more. Nothing of that happened. There were literally TONS of games where opponents were having alley-oop parties, easy dribbles under the rim, Suns were in total disorder on the court, Ayton always caught standing on the wrong foot on defensive end, etc etc...

Despite the fact Suns drafted Ayton, Suns won just 19 games and that's even less than last year. Luckily, GSW and MIL didn't take the Suns seriously enough, so the Suns extracted 3 more wins. Suns finished 14 wins behind the second-to-last team on Western conference, this margin is just too big. Also, don't forget, Suns also set some NBA and franchise records as well.

I don't know, I'm quite undecided, but I would prefer to see some changes on the coaching end.

I take it you weren't familiar with Ayton as a prospect? Honestly he was better than expected on D.

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I dunno why you need to fire shots on me just because I wrote my opinion about Ayton's D. I will always say my opinion no matter if somebody here likes it or not.

BTW, when we're talking about Ayton's "better than expected" defense, you might check for example game @CLE played on 2/21/2019 against one of the worst offensive teams in the league. Both teams were having a healthy roaster and I must say Ayton did not impress me. And there were tons of games like this in this season.

I think his point was that Ayton was awful on D in college and that was the huge question mark on him coming in. He continued to be awful early but actually improved quite a bit and played pretty well at times later in the season. I don't know how you can blame his D on Igor when that was the huge question mark coming in, and many didn't think he had the instincts that would allow him to improve and learn help D, etc.

He certainly wasn't going to be as good as any former defensive player of the year, or even shell of one in Chandler on that side or even Len, who was a pretty good defender. He was more drafted for his rebounding and finishing...short range scoring.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I dunno about you guys, I've been supporting Kokoskov all season long, but at the end of the day, when you draw a line and you do a list of good and bad things that happened during the season, I'm leaning more towards firing Kokoskov and hiring a new coach. Of course, it all depends on who is going to be available and who will show some interest to cooperate with Sarver and FO team, but at the end of the day, I would still pull a trigger.

The drawbacks from the last couple of seasons were just too obvious. First and the most on the defensive end. The Suns drafted #1 pick and you kinda expect that by getting a 7ft 250lbs rim-roller guy you will fill the gap in the paint, get some shot-blocking presence and somehow make opposing teams struggle just a little bit more. Nothing of that happened. There were literally TONS of games where opponents were having alley-oop parties, easy dribbles under the rim, Suns were in total disorder on the court, Ayton always caught standing on the wrong foot on defensive end, etc etc...

Despite the fact Suns drafted Ayton, Suns won just 19 games and that's even less than last year. Luckily, GSW and MIL didn't take the Suns seriously enough, so the Suns extracted 3 more wins. Suns finished 14 wins behind the second-to-last team on Western conference, this margin is just too big. Also, don't forget, Suns also set some NBA and franchise records as well.

I don't know, I'm quite undecided, but I would prefer to see some changes on the coaching end.

I take it you weren't familiar with Ayton as a prospect? Honestly he was better than expected on D.

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I dunno why you need to fire shots on me just because I wrote my opinion about Ayton's D. I will always say my opinion no matter if somebody here likes it or not.

BTW, when we're talking about Ayton's "better than expected" defense, you might check for example game @CLE played on 2/21/2019 against one of the worst offensive teams in the league. Both teams were having a healthy roaster and I must say Ayton did not impress me. And there were tons of games like this in this season.

It wasn't your opinion of Aytons D I was commenting on. It was using Aytons D to say Igor is a bad coach because literally every report about Ayton predraft stated his D had a long ways away. I do think he made incremental improvement on his D as the year went on. There are plenty of legit gripes about Igor but in my opinion this isn't one of them.

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[lilfishi22]

Ayton has unquestionably improved on D. It's a very low bar to clear but he's clearly gotten better. What surprised me is Igor's handling of Ayton's defensive development as I did not expect him to improve at all in his rookie season.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Ayton has unquestionably improved on D. It's a very low bar to clear but he's clearly gotten better. What surprised me is Igor's handling of Ayton's defensive development as I did not expect him to improve at all in his rookie season.

What I liked about how they approached his development on D was they really challenged him and didn't try to get gimmicky or hide him. That might have helped in the short term but stunted his growth. I also think they limited what they asked of him on O because they wanted him to focus on D, I know this pissed off some fans but again I think it's for the best in the long run.

Oh and I'm sure this post will jinx it but I'd guess since Igor lasted this long he's probably safe. Suns are under no obligation to make some announcement that they are not firing him.

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[offset]

I wonder if we are holding off on a decision on Igor’s future to see if any of the playoff coaches get let go. There are rumors that Brett Brown may be let go if Philadelphia doesn’t go far in the playoffs. Any thoughts on Brown as a potential Suns coach?

[lilfishi22]

I wonder if we are holding off on a decision on Igor’s future to see if any of the playoff coaches get let go. There are rumors that Brett Brown may be let go if Philadelphia doesn’t go far in the playoffs. Any thoughts on Brown as a potential Suns coach?

Fine with it

[wheezy]

What are the odds the Celtics fire Stevens if they implode in the playoffs?

[Crives]

What are the odds the Celtics fire Stevens if they implode in the playoffs?

I say 0

[Puff]

19 Wins

Better talent

and the apologies keep rolling in for this guy

Amazing

[MathiasPW]

19 Wins

Better talent

and the apologies keep rolling in for this guy

Amazing

Great logic.

Frogs are green. Grass is green. Frogs are made of grass.

[BobbieL]

19 Wins

Better talent

and the apologies keep rolling in for this guy

Amazing

talent alone doesn't win the in the NBA. look at the playoff teams - and the age of many of those rosters. its not a coincidence

Igor looks like he will be coach - nothing announced either way. hopefully they are not keeping him in limbo

[nevetsov]

19 Wins

Better talent

and the apologies keep rolling in for this guy

Amazing

Great logic.

Frogs are green. Grass is green. Frogs are made of grass.

Come on Mathias...

.. everyone knows the grass is made of frogs.

[Crives]

Crazy...

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[Book1Nation]

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[LV-Suns]

We are about to get Jason Kidd, aren’t we?