Igor fired - New Coaching Search Discussion

Post #241 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:58 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Oh suns you just can't be stable and normal. All I can do is shake my head.

I really have no idea if Igor is a good coach but I do know he had no chance in this situation.

If they hire Kidd that might be time for a little break.

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Perfect set-up-to-fail situation for him

If Kidd is hired...

BurningHeart · Post #242 » by **BurningHeart** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:59 am

What a terrible, awful decision. How do these teams expect to build anything when the entire boat is overturned every year?

Losing on purpose is what so many of you wanted. This is the result. A practically-permanent state of perpetual turnover and losing culture.

Garbage franchise.

darmani · Post #243 » by **darmani** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:00 am

YES!!! Finally some good news!

:rockon:

Post #244 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:05 am

walker9 wrote:Igor sucked as a coach anyways. Idk why you guys are complaining.

Brett Brown was 47-199 in his first 3 seasons with the Sixers. Sixers front office understood it takes time for young players to mature, to build the foundations of a team and young teams tend to suck.

We've had 3 coaches in the last 3 seasons

Post #245 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:06 am

This past decade has absolutely shown how bad an owner Sarver is. He didn't build the most competitive team this side of the 2000's, he walked into it and then tore it down

IrasArgor · Post #246 » by **IrasArgor** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:10 am

Maybe we should give Lindsey Hunter second chance?

Puff · Post #247 » by **Puff** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:12 am

Monty Williams to the Suns - has history with our new front office hire from New Orleans

Tyron Lue - reunited with Lebron in LA

Great news - at least I hope that is what this means.

BurningHeart · Post #248 » by **BurningHeart** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:16 am

simon24 wrote:I hate it for Suns fans. They deserve better. It wouldn't surprise me if Joeger takes the job. He doesn't seem to mind working for bad management.

Suns fans do not deserve better.

Suns fans repeatedly called to lose on purpose.

Suns fans deserve only what they asked for.

This is the result of what they asked for.

SuperSunsFan · Post #249 » by **SuperSunsFan** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:32 am

1 screen 2 movies. some see it as Sarver being impatient firing a great coach who need time, I see it as Sarver cutting lose quickly by firing a lousy coach who has managed to completely lose his team already in less than a year to avoid another Watson situation that he is forced to fire Igor after 3 games next season. being impatient is bad, but hanging on a bad coach for too long like Watson could be worse. Igor managed to lose more games than the season we actively tried to tank and none of our young guys have shown any notable improvement in his tenure.

Problem is i don't like Monty, he is another Beta, time to get a Phil Jackson type Alpha to whip these underachievers into shape, I seriously don't mind Jason Kidd, he is not a championship caliber HC but then It is very difficult for me to believe that it is completely coincidental that so many young players developed under him. do i need to remind everyone that we are not contending, we need a coach who can develop youngsters and bring us into playoffs, and Kidd fit the bill, I don't care if he is an azzhole, we need someone who can get things done.

Jdiddy701 · Post #250 » by **Jdiddy701** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:34 am

Igor definitely did not deserve to be fired. I was one of the very few who didn’t want Igor around next year. To me, it was clear the players didn’t like him, and he didn’t know how to utilize Ayton. I’ve said all season, Suns will choose between Ayton or Igor, those two did not pair well at all.

Look, I know the Suns probably won’t be attracting any free agents any time soon, but I can guarantee players are not lining up to play under Igor Kokoskov. Hiring Monty Williams will put the Suns in a better position with that.

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m1chal · Post #251 » by **m1chal** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:37 am

I think there was progress when the team was healthy and I'd give Igor another year. It's not my team though so FU Sarver and your impatience.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #252 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:37 am

New Orleans and Dallas will be the only west non playoff teams without a new coach next year.

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SuperSunsFan · Post #253 » by **SuperSunsFan** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:03 am

I can't stand the word stability, should we have kept Watson just for stability's sack? does stability automatically improve a team no matter who the coach is? you don't just want stability but stability with the right coach and I don't see anything from Igor that he was better than watson.

Post #254 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:08 am

It's good to be a Suns fan and hate that word, because you are likely to never have to worry about some stability with them.

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Post #255 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:18 am

SuperSunsFan wrote:I can't stand the word stability, should we have kept Watson just for stability's sack? does stability automatically improve a team no matter who the coach is? you don't just want stability but stability with the right coach and I don't see anything from Igor that he was better than watson.

How about a stellar resume and was well-respected among his peers?

Watson had nothing. He was in a coaching role (at any level) for less than 2 seasons. Zero reason why he should've been a HC in the first place. Igor was at least a really smart basketball mind, had a lot of experience and was worth investing time in to see if he was a legit coach. It would be like drafting Ayton and then trading him for another top pick the following season because the team wasn't very good. At some point you need to see what you have before moving on

Revived · Post #256 » by **Revived** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:25 am

SuperSunsFan wrote:I can't stand the word stability, should we have kept Watson just for stability's sack? does stability automatically improve a team no matter who the coach is? you don't just want stability but stability with the right coach and I don't see anything from Igor that he was better than watson.

Igor never had a chance to show if he was a good coach or a bad coach. Gregg Popovich or Coach K couldn’t have done much better with this roster that was killed by injuries and didn’t even have a ****ing PG on the roster.

Revived · Post #257 » by **Revived** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:28 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
walker9 wrote:Igor sucked as a coach anyways. Idk why you guys are complaining.

Brett Brown was 47-199 in his first 3 seasons with the Sixers. Sixers front office understood it takes time for young players to mature, to build the foundations of a team and young teams tend to suck.

We've had 3 coaches in the last 3 seasons

Kenny Atkinson went 20-62 and 28-54 with the Nets their first two seasons. He’s now seen as the next Brad Stevens.

Damkac · Post #258 » by **Damkac** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:01 am

**** you sarver you ****ing piece of ****!
This is it I'm done.

hollywood6964 · Post #259 » by **hollywood6964** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:21 am

He was trash. If they have an even average replacement, it'd be an upgrade. His rotations were atrocious, he didn't play guys and others he played too much, and he consistently put guys in the wrong positions. The fact it took him 60 games to just figure out how to be below average was a joke. An actual good move by the suns I'm on board with.

darmani · Post #260 » by **darmani** » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:35 am

Please, stop comparing Kokoskov to coaches like Brett Brown or Atkinson. Igor isn't in the same stratosphere as these guys.

There's much more to evaluate Igor's coaching skills that goes way beyond just the W-L record. Yes, the Suns roster was flawed last season but Igor was objectively awful at things that were completely in his control like: communication with the players; catering the system to the Suns best players; rotations, substitution patterns and timeouts; reacting and adjusting the game-plan.