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thelead wrote:Whosurgaddy wrote:Goodbye Ross.... he unfollowed the magic
Really? Already?
Def Swami wrote:As much as I like Ross, I have a feeling he's moving on.
Bensational wrote:LOL!
Can't blame DJ for being a career backup - but can blame Isaac for being a 2nd year player.
Can't talk about Fournier declining - but can talk about Gordon having maxed out his capabilities.
Also, who's blaming DJ? Wanting to improve on our two weakest positions - the backcourt - isn't blame. Especially when one is 30 with no room for improvement, and the other is 26 coming off his worst season to date.
But nah. Trade Isaac for Ariza and then we'll see the superstar potential of our backcourt rise like a phoenix from the ashes.
What a joke...
npiper17 wrote:I wonder at what point does being right and defending your position / the players you like become more important than enjoying being a fan of a professional sports team?
I mean, everyone must have started out just as a fan right?
pepe1991 wrote:Bensational wrote:LOL!
Can't blame DJ for being a career backup - but can blame Isaac for being a 2nd year player.
Can't talk about Fournier declining - but can talk about Gordon having maxed out his capabilities.
Also, who's blaming DJ? Wanting to improve on our two weakest positions - the backcourt - isn't blame. Especially when one is 30 with no room for improvement, and the other is 26 coming off his worst season to date.
But nah. Trade Isaac for Ariza and then we'll see the superstar potential of our backcourt rise like a phoenix from the ashes.
What a joke...
Only joke here is fact that you made fake account to fight me month ago.
DJ is career backup that starts game, it's not his fault that team has no PG better than him. Nobody in right mind makes argument that DJ should be starting.
I don't blame Isaac for not being capable of being starter, i blame his fanboys who can't understand that he can't start right now.
Evan finished his 7th NBA season, averaging 13,5 ppg , 44,6% FG and 37% for 3. One bad season among 7 does not deflact fact that he is normally solid starter.
Your hypothetical trades only exist in your head , where you accuse posters who don't agree with you with things they never said. You are agruing for days about notion that Evan sucked in playoffs- and in mean time nobody said he did not suck. But you in your head you are now running Crusade of justice to "get rid of "old" evil forging so team can finally bulid around Gordon, player you are famming over for last 5 years. Get a grip, or help. Could use both. Or make another fake account .
Should i remind everbody why you had to step down as moderator?
Because you blocked me and Snoopy ,and locked game thread, right after agame because you didn't like our posts.
Than we got unblocked by i'm not sure who, and you took off.
Whole year , during Magic most succesful season in 7 years you refused to post anything , allegedly because it was toxic here ( was not, you just couldn't handle sucess on backs of Vučević ).
You after that made FAKE account just to "deal"with me and few other posters you couldn't fight as moderator. Despite me foe-ing you ( and reporting your) after personal attacks and target fights with me , you kept replying.
Now, when Vučević had terrible playoff, you returned as Ben just to spit more of your agenda filled garbage about him.
Congratulations, If i'm your neighbour i would triple lock my home.
Bensational wrote:pepe1991 wrote:Bensational wrote:LOL!
Can't blame DJ for being a career backup - but can blame Isaac for being a 2nd year player.
Can't talk about Fournier declining - but can talk about Gordon having maxed out his capabilities.
Also, who's blaming DJ? Wanting to improve on our two weakest positions - the backcourt - isn't blame. Especially when one is 30 with no room for improvement, and the other is 26 coming off his worst season to date.
But nah. Trade Isaac for Ariza and then we'll see the superstar potential of our backcourt rise like a phoenix from the ashes.
What a joke...
Only joke here is fact that you made fake account to fight me month ago.
DJ is career backup that starts game, it's not his fault that team has no PG better than him. Nobody in right mind makes argument that DJ should be starting.
I don't blame Isaac for not being capable of being starter, i blame his fanboys who can't understand that he can't start right now.
Evan finished his 7th NBA season, averaging 13,5 ppg , 44,6% FG and 37% for 3. One bad season among 7 does not deflact fact that he is normally solid starter.
Your hypothetical trades only exist in your head , where you accuse posters who don't agree with you with things they never said. You are agruing for days about notion that Evan sucked in playoffs- and in mean time nobody said he did not suck. But you in your head you are now running Crusade of justice to "get rid of "old" evil forging so team can finally bulid around Gordon, player you are famming over for last 5 years. Get a grip, or help. Could use both. Or make another fake account .
Should i remind everbody why you had to step down as moderator?
Because you blocked me and Snoopy ,and locked game thread, right after agame because you didn't like our posts.
Than we got unblocked by i'm not sure who, and you took off.
Whole year , during Magic most succesful season in 7 years you refused to post anything , allegedly because it was toxic here ( was not, you just couldn't handle sucess on backs of Vučević ).
You after that made FAKE account just to "deal"with me and few other posters you couldn't fight as moderator. Despite me foe-ing you ( and reporting your) after personal attacks and target fights with me , you kept replying.
Now, when Vučević had terrible playoff, you returned as Ben just to spit more of your agenda filled garbage about him.
Congratulations, If i'm your neighbour i would triple lock my home.
Hahahahahaha. I stepped down as a mod of my own accord, because I was tired of having to pretend to talk to you like an adult, when you're clearly just a troll in his mum's basement constantly looking for the next thing to hate. But the toxic part is true - this board was, and in large parts still is, toxic ass. I enjoyed Reddit for much of that time away and it was a much more pleasant and level headed forum.
And mate, if you haven't been paying attention I don't hate Vuc. I keep saying he's a good player and I'm completely indifferent to whether he stays or not. Just because I'm calling him out as a playoff failure isn't hating on him, I'm just pointing out that the team needs someone who can make a much bigger impact than he gives us alone.
But I still lurked these boards. And you kept spouting nonsense, and I got sick of it. So yeah, I created another account and called you out and let you make a fool of yourself. Btw, have you figured out "a handful of 20/10 games" isn't "averaging 20/10" yet? The absurd gymnastics you did to try and jump around the fact you were either confused or dumb was comical. There's been too many of those to count from you recently. I'm sure you've noticed that most people have tuned your **** out, probably got you on block, because everyone knows you're just a troll who's only going to say something in the hopes it will antagonise someone so you can make arguments that don't even hold to the original point.
Anyway, I feel comfortable having shined a spotlight on your trolling, so I'm done with you. Enjoy hating life over the summer!
and can get away without perma ban.when you're clearly just a troll in his mum's basement constantly looking for the next thing to hate.
And mate, if you haven't been paying attention I don't hate Vuc. I keep saying he's a good player and I'm completely indifferent to whether he stays or not.
Re: How would you grade our player development?
Oh pepe. You really do enjoy making a habit of embarrassing yourself...
Your whole MO is to jump around making outrageous and unfounded statements and once you find yourself cornered you change the argument entirely. You never present opinions through rationalised reasoning, you just dump hot takes and some empty stats to support it.
So once again, we're back to trying to determine if:
a) you're an idiot
b) you're a troll
c) you're trying to misrepresent the data due to item a) or b)
d) all of the above
Re: Regular Season Game 72: New Orleans Pelicans (31-42) at Orlando Magic (33-38)
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Post#61 » by BadHombre » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:03 am
I feel like if you put Gordon on Golden State's roster, he'd look amazing.
But really, I'd prefer to see him walk. With the team already looking maxed out talent wise, that money could be better spent elsewhere.
Free throw shooting is surprising considering I remember at the beginning of the year they couldn't hit a free throw.Knightro wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Guard position isn't any worst than second SF-PF position.
It's just matter of personal agenda for ones who pretend that wing problem doesn't exist, so they focus all the blame on DJ and Evan, who deserve fair share of critism, But you are putting blame on DJ Augustin , career backup - for being career backup ?!
Evan had bad year, i don't think anybody , him included argues that. But he is better than this and will , by most odds, bounce back next year. He is 26, injury free, so we can't talk about decline.
Magic can use upgrade on all positions.
Magic problem isn't just guard play, it's inability of guards AND others to put ball on the floor and run anything through them.
Raptors destroyed us, finger pointing blame is kind a silly, because top to bottom, they are better team, with 2 former DPOYS, 3all nba first defenders, 3allstars...
You can say things like "insert Beal instad of Evan and this team is legit" or "instert Conley instad of DJ and this team is great" to feed your narrative, but on other side of narrative , you can always say " insert Leonard instad of Gordon and this is 50 wins team" or " Giannis ,Tatum,Lebron for Isaac". But that's just playing dumb. ofc any top 20 player is improvment over other Magic 4 slots because Magic 4 slots are not star players ,and replacing them with star will make team better, but that's type of talk that seves no purpose because Beal, Lebron,Leonard or Conley are not knocking on Magic doors and you have to deal with what you have.
Vučević did play terrible in playoffs, he couldn't adjust at all. However he was targeted and ,where it's not excuse to play THIS poorly, Gasol simply had his number.
It's also interesting to see how Gasol stacked against BEST center in nba, Joel Embiid.
They played 5 times, Marc won 3 of 5.
Embiid vs him shoot in 5 games:
4-10
5-13
4-10
4-15
4-13
21-61 =34%
He simply does that to bigs, he has 280 pounds at least and is probably physiclly strongest C i nba, impossible to back down. In mean time he has 7'5 wingspan and quick hands and super high BBIQ, player like that is apsolute steal for Toronto for this playoffs, just like his brother was for Lakers when they won 2 in a row.
This forum will go through mental breakdown no matter Vuc and Ross stay or go.
Half of forum would burn if they re-sign.
In same time if they leave, i can already see poster crying that they are tired of rebuilding and how front office should be fired.
Apologists will defend every move no matter what.
Bensational wrote:All this talk about Isaac or Gordon is just deflecting attention from the major weaknesses of the roster and that's Fournier and DJ. Our backcourt, who are supposed the be the strongest on ball players, struggle to get to the rim at will, and now in the playoffs Fournier forgot how to shoot.
There's no point criticising Gordon or Isaac for not being a strong enough ballhandler or playmaker when the two guys who SHOULD be doing it aren't.
Also, are we going to have to have another debate about whether or not a young Magic player has finished developing? Have we not already established that Pepe doesn't understand development. He lacks the ability to project and envision a future with improvement. All he knows is what has transpired already. And from that, he just cherry picks stats that fit his agenda. Don't bother taking up the discussion with him.
Bensational wrote:tiderulz wrote:Bensational wrote:All this talk about Isaac or Gordon is just deflecting attention from the major weaknesses of the roster and that's Fournier and DJ. Our backcourt, who are supposed the be the strongest on ball players, struggle to get to the rim at will, and now in the playoffs Fournier forgot how to shoot.
There's no point criticising Gordon or Isaac for not being a strong enough ballhandler or playmaker when the two guys who SHOULD be doing it aren't.
Also, are we going to have to have another debate about whether or not a young Magic player has finished developing? Have we not already established that Pepe doesn't understand development. He lacks the ability to project and envision a future with improvement. All he knows is what has transpired already. And from that, he just cherry picks stats that fit his agenda. Don't bother taking up the discussion with him.
its not deflecting, we have problems all over the team.
It's deflecting the focus of the problem from the two weakest positions we have. We need to address those first, and give Isaac time to continue his development before we write them off. Successful teams are always built on great playmakers. Ideally it comes at the 2 or 3, where a player has the size to score inside and out over taller defenders. If Isaac can tighten his handles and continue improving his shot he will suffice as a positive on offense whilst being a major impact player on defense. Gordon already does both.
DJ and Fournier aren't making enough impact on either end to warrant pushing forwards with them. Vuc can't create, but he does everything else really well so he's a big plus. We've got 2 and a half solid positions, so we should add to that.
tiderulz wrote:well first of all, both PG and SG were more consistent than SF all year, including the playoffs. Isaac might be the future, but he was outmuscled/out matched/out-everything in the playoffs. so really, we have 3 positions that arent solid.
basketballRob wrote:I do think it showed during the course of the year that the guys were in better shape then they ever have been. Even Vuc looked ripped this year.
