Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

the_process · Post #281 » by **the_process** » Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:27 pm

Wilfried wrote:
the_process wrote:Noah Vonleh is a guy the Sixers should go after this summer.

Vonleh, Danny Green, Pat Beverly with the money we would spend on Jimmy Butler. (all 3 year contracts if possible)
Reddick with MLE?
Harris is retained because of fit, versatility, age and shooting capabilities. Let's hope he can be ours at around 25 million/year (which is fair).

We have a big 3 in Embiid/Simmons/Harris and we add shooting, defense and experience to our team.

Than hope Zhaire Smith and Jonah Bolden can take a step (or 2) and we get at least 1 more decent rookie from this draft (5 picks).

And of course, let's just hope and pray we get 5 more healthy years from Embiid.

Simmons/Beverly/Milton
Green/Reddick/Zhaire
Harris/Zhaire/Green
Vonleh/Harris/Simmons
Embiid/Bolden/Vonleh

+ 1 rookie in development and some vets after trade deadline.
Would love to keep Boban/Ennis and Scott but no clue how we could do that while adding 3 players.

Once you renounce Butler and go under the cap, you lose the MLE. Plus in order to have enough cap room to sign all of Vonleh, Green, and Beverley; you have to renounce Redick as well.

But yeah; I'd take Vonleh, Green, and Beverley over Butler and Redick for the Sixers.

King Ken · Post #282 » by **King Ken** » Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:16 pm

For me Kemba and resigning Harris should be the top targets

I still believe you need a PG. Simmons to me is a playmaking 4. Harris is a perfect fit for Simmons and Embiid so he's critical to keep

Negrodamus · Post #283 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:24 pm

Frankly, I'm terrified of what this front office is going to do this offseason. There are too many important decisions to make and I don't think they have the chops to make the correct one. There are serious questions about Brett Brown, Ben Simmons + Embiid fit, Jimmy's and Tobias's effectiveness on a max contract, whether to re-sign JJ, who to draft, who to sign as depth, who to sign in lieu of Jimmy/Tobias if they take that route. I just don't have the confidence in Elton Brand to make those decisions.

PhillyPhilly · Post #284 » by **PhillyPhilly** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:56 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Frankly, I'm terrified of what this front office is going to do this offseason. There are too many important decisions to make and I don't think they have the chops to make the correct one. There are serious questions about Brett Brown, Ben Simmons + Embiid fit, Jimmy's and Tobias's effectiveness on a max contract, whether to re-sign JJ, who to draft, who to sign as depth, who to sign in lieu of Jimmy/Tobias if they take that route. I just don't have the confidence in Elton Brand to make those decisions.

The man has barely had a full season on charge and got his team to no worse a position than last season i.e third In the East and playoffs second round. And you're already questioning him? Smh. Bland is the last person I'm judging. He gave Brett the second best starting five In the league, period. And if Brett cannot get the job done then he will be the one to blame, not Bland.

VDT · Post #285 » by **VDT** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:56 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Frankly, I'm terrified of what this front office is going to do this offseason. There are too many important decisions to make and I don't think they have the chops to make the correct one. There are serious questions about Brett Brown, Ben Simmons + Embiid fit, Jimmy's and Tobias's effectiveness on a max contract, whether to re-sign JJ, who to draft, who to sign as depth, who to sign in lieu of Jimmy/Tobias if they take that route. I just don't have the confidence in Elton Brand to make those decisions.

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Yea putting as GM a former player with no real experience was criminally negligent, even if he eventually becomes a good GM, which i doubt, the Sixers cant afford him to learn on the job.

My fear is he is going to double down on the trades, because it's also his own neck on the line, and offer whatever it will take for them to stay, perhaps firing Brown as the scapegoat. Hopefully if we are going to lose we do that in an embarrassing fashion so that they cant just run t back.

Negrodamus · Post #286 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:06 pm

PhillyPhilly wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Frankly, I'm terrified of what this front office is going to do this offseason. There are too many important decisions to make and I don't think they have the chops to make the correct one. There are serious questions about Brett Brown, Ben Simmons + Embiid fit, Jimmy's and Tobias's effectiveness on a max contract, whether to re-sign JJ, who to draft, who to sign as depth, who to sign in lieu of Jimmy/Tobias if they take that route. I just don't have the confidence in Elton Brand to make those decisions.

The man has barely had a full season on charge and got his team to no worse a position than last season i.e third In the East and playoffs second round. And you're already questioning him? Smh. Bland is the last person I'm judging. He gave Brett the second best starting five In the league, period. And if Brett cannot get the job done then he will be the one to blame, not Bland.

I don't understand how you're going to give him credit for this season but he's absolved of critique. He gutted the bench and added two expiring "stars", one of which is known to be a locker room issue and is absolutely a bad fit here. Brand has done a mediocre job at setting this team up to go farther than the second round and has burned through long term assets in the process.

Mik317 · Post #287 » by **Mik317** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:24 pm

I get that but I am also not going to trash him for trying. In theory, Jimmy and Tobias are exactly what we need. However Jimmy's unwillingness to spot up and take 3s and Tobias' worse than expected defensive shortcomings...make the theory not ideal. The key will be to not double down or if you do, then we need to make sure the bench isn't total dick again via better drafting and playing the margins. That is where the best GMs make their mark. To Elton's credit, he was just one small voice during the offseason, hopefully he learns from the mistakes of the past and not waste time...

Negrodamus · Post #288 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:37 pm

Mik317 wrote:I get that but I am also not going to trash him for trying. In theory, Jimmy and Tobias are exactly what we need. However Jimmy's unwillingness to spot up and take 3s and Tobias' worse than expected defensive shortcomings...make the theory not ideal. The key will be to not double down or if you do, then we need to make sure the bench isn't total dick again via better drafting and playing the margins. That is where the best GMs make their mark. To Elton's credit, he was just one small voice during the offseason, hopefully he learns from the mistakes of the past and not waste time...

I'm not against him trying, but I honestly believe we'd be in a better situation for this series with we had Simmons, Redick, Cov, Harris Embiid with Saric (or someone we could have traded Saric for) off the bench. I'm fine taking a chance on a young, upside scorer like Harris. He makes sense in the constructs of this team and if we don't see the upside of him

Even though we got Butler for relatively cheap (by fan valuation), he is just not a fit in personality or play style. Now we have two guys that our GM will feel the pressure to resign and force it to work. I mainly question the thought process of putting all your eggs in the Jimmy Butler basket.

Bum Adebayo · Post #289 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:50 pm

It is idiotic to have 4 guys with max money in Embiid, Simmons, Butler and Tobias. The fit is not good, also Butler is declining, yeah he will have some big scoring games and even make some game winners, but he is not as good of a defender as he once was and his explosiveness around the rim is just not there.

XtremeDunkz · Post #290 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:03 pm

I was never a fan of the Brand hire. I much rather would have preferred someone with a background in talent evaluation and roster construction. The Butler trade was fine, but I definitely think we gave up one too many assets for Tobias. Should have been Shamet OR the Heat pick, not both.

nitocobola · Post #291 » by **nitocobola** » Wed May 1, 2019 1:18 am

PhillyPhilly wrote:If Jimmy were to walk how would yall feel about getting Mirotic and someone like a KCP/Ross/Lamb/ type to partner Simmons?

Mirotic/Harris/Embiid/Simmons/KCP

Would that be decent yall? And then with those two signings we would probably have enough to get a stronger bench. You'd have three legit shooters, Harris and KCP can create their own shots and all of them would be capable of getting 15 PPG next season. Just something I was thinking about because although I think Jimmy would be mad to leave Philly, I've seen a few media folks cast doubt over him being here long term so I'm just doing the maths before any decision is made.

I hate this thread lmao

FlyingArrow · Post #292 » by **FlyingArrow** » Wed May 1, 2019 2:21 am

Butler isn't the best fit, but he was probably the best fit that was available. So many teams have max money to throw around that getting anyone as good as Jimmy to come here is unlikely. Re-sign Jimmy and Tobias, but hopefully not for the full max. Especially Jimmy - can't give him a 5yr max. Just have to beat the other offers in order to keep him.

rzzzzz · Post #293 » by **rzzzzz** » Wed May 1, 2019 6:14 pm

Negrodamus wrote: one of which is known to be a locker room issue and is absolutely a bad fit here.

oddly enough, he's been terrific in our locker room. managed to push our stubborn coach towards schemes that better fit our roster. and his talent, energy and leadership may have gotten us back into the playoffs just when we were looking to tumble. and, he really likes Philly. unless we got a shot at Durant, i'll take the two guys we snagged and hope our two rookies will have a great off season and come back with a vengeance. (and Ben will get some useful advice and Biid will be used sparingly next season, playing down in the blocks and go into the 2nd season healthy.)

Negrodamus · Post #294 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed May 1, 2019 7:05 pm

rzzzzz wrote:
Negrodamus wrote: one of which is known to be a locker room issue and is absolutely a bad fit here.

oddly enough, he's been terrific in our locker room. managed to push our stubborn coach towards schemes that better fit our roster. and his talent, energy and leadership may have gotten us back into the playoffs just when we were looking to tumble. and, he really likes Philly. unless we got a shot at Durant, i'll take the two guys we snagged and hope our two rookies will have a great off season and come back with a vengeance. (and Ben will get some useful advice and Biid will be used sparingly next season, playing down in the blocks and go into the 2nd season healthy.)

Yea, I just hope we keep winning, right? He is fine until things go a little off the rails.

XtremeDunkz · Post #295 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Wed May 1, 2019 7:33 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
rzzzzz wrote:
Negrodamus wrote: one of which is known to be a locker room issue and is absolutely a bad fit here.

oddly enough, he's been terrific in our locker room. managed to push our stubborn coach towards schemes that better fit our roster. and his talent, energy and leadership may have gotten us back into the playoffs just when we were looking to tumble. and, he really likes Philly. unless we got a shot at Durant, i'll take the two guys we snagged and hope our two rookies will have a great off season and come back with a vengeance. (and Ben will get some useful advice and Biid will be used sparingly next season, playing down in the blocks and go into the 2nd season healthy.)

Yea, I just hope we keep winning, right? He is fine until things go a little off the rails.

A star player wants to win? The horror.

Negrodamus · Post #296 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed May 1, 2019 7:35 pm

XtremeDunkz wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
rzzzzz wrote:
oddly enough, he's been terrific in our locker room. managed to push our stubborn coach towards schemes that better fit our roster. and his talent, energy and leadership may have gotten us back into the playoffs just when we were looking to tumble. and, he really likes Philly. unless we got a shot at Durant, i'll take the two guys we snagged and hope our two rookies will have a great off season and come back with a vengeance. (and Ben will get some useful advice and Biid will be used sparingly next season, playing down in the blocks and go into the 2nd season healthy.)

Yea, I just hope we keep winning, right? He is fine until things go a little off the rails.

A star player wants to win? The horror.

Ask the Bull and the T'Wolves about said horror.

rzzzzz · Post #297 » by **rzzzzz** » Wed May 1, 2019 7:52 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Ask the Bull and the T'Wolves about said horror.

yeah, he don't suffer fools lightly, that's for sure. but the Prodigal Son likes it here. he defends the fans for booing. he celebrates the coach cursing them out at halftime. he thinks Biid is funny. and i haven't heard a discouraging word towards...well, any of his team mates. hell, he's taken our rookies under his wing. i wish Biid was healthier, cause i like what Jimmy is bringing this team right now.

Mik317 · Post #298 » by **Mik317** » Wed May 1, 2019 8:01 pm

Jimmy isn't an idiot. He's on his best behavior to make sure he gets paid. If he was a bad apple, his offers would be a lot lower this offseason.No one is going to give tha max to someone who burnt bridges out of a good situation. If the Wolves were good and borderline contending and he did his ****, he'd hurt himself even more...but because Wiggins don't care and KAT often is very soft, he was validated a bit. For all of Embiid and Ben's issues, both guys obviously give a ****, so his " i just want to win" shtick wouldn't apply much if he was a pissant here like he was in Minny.

So until he keeps it up AFTER getting signed, Good Teammate Jimmy may very much be an act for all we know.

SixthStreet · Post #299 » by **SixthStreet** » Wed May 1, 2019 8:03 pm

The Butler trade was a good gamble. We got him for cheap. RoCo and his + contract as the primary asset going the other way is robbery. Saric should be a tertiary piece in a deal for a player of Butler's level, not secondary. Butler is also clearly our second best player right now and with serious questions as to Embiid's long term viability I'm perfectly good with a win now move like that.

I like Harris the player, but the valuation was way off there. You won the Butler deal and got crushed on the Harris one. And considering the amount of cap room out there this offseason (and you knew it was going to be that way when you made the trade) you boxed yourself into a max for Harris, and in a vacuum he's not worth it. But the cap space is a use it or lose it situation this offseason so the writing is on the wall.

We could salvage it by "trading" Harris for Walker and IMO that would fix a lot of our roster construction issues. It would also make us a lot older if Kemba and Butler are core components.

SixthStreet · Post #300 » by **SixthStreet** » Wed May 1, 2019 8:08 pm

Kemba
Redick
Butler
Simmons
Embiid

Kemba sucks that much defensive gravity that this is a lineup that can work for BOTH Embiid and Simmons. We'd need to find some good defensive players in the backcourt for the rotation but the hope is Zhaire would be one.

But we would be old. Wish we could find a Kemba type player 2 years younger. But no one fits that description. Well Kyrie does but we have no shot at him.