WCSF | (1) Golden State Warriors vs (4) Houston Rockets, Part Two (Series tied 2-2)

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What's your prediction?

Warriors in 4
18
13%
Warriors in 5
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30%
Warriors in 6
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21%
Warriors in 7
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Rockets in 6
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11%
Rockets in 7
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Re: WCSF | (1) Golden State Warriors vs (4) Houston Rockets, Part Two (GS leads 2-0) 

Post#21 » by ken6199 » Wed May 1, 2019 11:58 am

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His comment was both funny and pretty clever. Comparing him to a soldier because he played after being poked in the eye seems pretty disrespectful to those who are actually putting their lives on the line


Like I said above, GTFO.


So playing Basketball after an eye poke is equivalent to having people shooting at you trying to kill you..... Seems pretty similar to me. I was definitely concerned for his life!! The amount of eye poke deaths is quite serious


Just listen to yourself, please. I am tired of arguing the basics.
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Re: WCSF | (1) Golden State Warriors vs (4) Houston Rockets, Part Two (GS leads 2-0) 

Post#22 » by yoyoboy » Wed May 1, 2019 12:00 pm

Golden State has virtually 5 players this postseason with a 5.0 BPM or higher:

- Bogut: 6.6 BPM
- Iguodala: 6.4 BPM
- Curry: 6.2 BPM
- Durant: 5.5 BPM
- Green: 4.9 BPM

That's nuts. Especially the fact that Iggy is 35 years old and playing 28 mpg averaging 11 ppg, 4 app, and 4 rpg while turning the ball over less than 1 time a game, shooting at 63% TS, and still playing absolutely elite perimeter defense. Even at this age, he's still the ideal glue guy for a championship team. That's why I always roll my eyes when Warriors fans insist (and it happened last year, too) that Iggy is DONE, because without fail come playoff time he's regularly guarding the other team's best perimeter player like Harden or LeBron, finishing oops, making good decisions with the ball, and hitting the 3 at a better clip than people expect.
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Re: WCSF | (1) Golden State Warriors vs (4) Houston Rockets, Part Two (GS leads 2-0) 

Post#23 » by dacrusha » Wed May 1, 2019 12:01 pm

Houston just happy to be there it seems... all the strutting and posturing in the RS by them and their fans, but the fact is Harden just doesn't have a good enough cast around him to get to the next level.
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Re: WCSF | (1) Golden State Warriors vs (4) Houston Rockets, Part Two (GS leads 2-0) 

Post#24 » by MrPerfect1 » Wed May 1, 2019 12:01 pm

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Like I said above, GTFO.


So playing Basketball after an eye poke is equivalent to having people shooting at you trying to kill you..... Seems pretty similar to me. I was definitely concerned for his life!! The amount of eye poke deaths is quite serious


Just listen to yourself, please. I am tired of arguing the basics.


Your argument is that he was a soldier for playing through an eye poke. Doesn't seem like hyperbole at all to me! Eye pokes are every bit as deadly as weapons of war
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Re: WCSF | (1) Golden State Warriors vs (4) Houston Rockets, Part Two (GS leads 2-0) 

Post#25 » by ken6199 » Wed May 1, 2019 12:08 pm

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ken6199 wrote:
MrPerfect1 wrote:
So playing Basketball after an eye poke is equivalent to having people shooting at you trying to kill you..... Seems pretty similar to me. I was definitely concerned for his life!! The amount of eye poke deaths is quite serious


Just listen to yourself, please. I am tired of arguing the basics.


Your argument is that he was a soldier for playing through an eye poke. Doesn't seem like hyperbole at all to me! Eye pokes are every bit as deadly as weapons of war

I said: this guy soldiers on after an injury.
You replied: nah this is disrespectful to those soldiers who put their lives on the line.

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/metaphor/

No wonder you are one of the worst posters in the MVP thread. Constant bugging, lack of understanding of the basics non stop baiting. The definition of a keyboard warrior.

Seriously please GTFO. Ain't got no time wasting on worthless poster like you.
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Re: WCSF | (1) Golden State Warriors vs (4) Houston Rockets, Part Two (GS leads 2-0) 

Post#26 » by michaelm » Wed May 1, 2019 12:10 pm

yoyoboy wrote:Very anti-climactic series unfortunately. The best hope now is that Houston is able to take 2 games essentially, because there's no way a team is winning 4 out of 5 games against the most talented team of all time. And you know Golden State will most likely take at least 1 in Houston so this thing will probably be over in 5. Even if it ends that quickly, it's clear to me that the Rockets are both talented enough and effective enough in their strategies to win a title against any other team. The Clippers might've gone 6 against them, but Houston would probably beat LA in 5 or 6. The issue is that GS in my opinion is just a bad matchup for what they do. Green and Durant are basically GS's bigs and they're mobile and long enough to cover the baseline from the rim roller to the guys Houston has in the corners, depending on what the playmaker decides to do. And then the Warriors have multiple guys - Iggy, KD, Klay for starters - who can really make penetration difficult for Harden and CP3, which is key for what they do. And then Houston's defensive strategy involves conceding inefficient midrange shots, but the issue is that Golden State is an all-time outlier at knocking those down. Even when contested, KD, Curry, and to a lesser degree Klay almost never seem to miss them unless they're really pushed out of their comfort zone.

I think Harden is an all time great offensive player, and that the Rockets defend GSW as well as anyone has. Bad match-up for Houston though I agree, particularly on the mid range shooting thing where Durant has few peers historically; it is a great help to be 7 foot tall when you are an elite shooter regardless anyway.
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Re: WCSF | (1) Golden State Warriors vs (4) Houston Rockets, Part Two (GS leads 2-0) 

Post#27 » by MrPerfect1 » Wed May 1, 2019 12:14 pm

ken6199 wrote:
MrPerfect1 wrote:
ken6199 wrote:
Just listen to yourself, please. I am tired of arguing the basics.


Your argument is that he was a soldier for playing through an eye poke. Doesn't seem like hyperbole at all to me! Eye pokes are every bit as deadly as weapons of war

I said: this guy soldiers on after an injury.
You replied: nah this is disrespectful to those soldiers who put their lives on the line.

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/metaphor/

No wonder you are one of the worst posters in the MVP thread. Constant bugging, lack of understanding of the basics non stop baiting. The definition of a keyboard warrior.

Seriously please GTFO. Ain't got no time wasting on worthless poster like you.


You said "he fought like a soldier"

Lol, it is amazing how you might be the most biased poster on the site. You can't seem to accept that Giannis is more valuable than Harden, that Harden complains nonstop, etc

Harden was super Heroic to play through an eye poke. I was super concerned for him. It has to be the most devastating injury I have ever seen someone try to play through!
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Post#28 » by CodeBreaker » Wed May 1, 2019 12:25 pm

Warriors in 5... i hate it
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Re: WCSF | (1) Golden State Warriors vs (4) Houston Rockets, Part Two (GS leads 2-0) 

Post#29 » by Zvaart » Wed May 1, 2019 1:01 pm

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SamSepiol wrote:Poor Harden couldn’t even see where the refs were to complain to for most of the night.

Everyone's patience is going to run out at one point. The intensity of this thread is historical high, it requires both camps to post with class and fact the rest of the series or it's just going to be endless piss fight on clashes of hatred. If you don't have anything meaningful to post, at least don't troll.

For one more time, Harden played a clean game the whole night. Scored 13 points in 4th, 5/7 shooting, picked up KD as the primary defender with a blurry vision while single handedly pulled Houston within 3. The guy fought like a soldier on the court and you choose to post like a coward here doing this kind of dirty ass and+1 fishing.

Just to be clear, moving forward my only reply towards trolling like this would be GTFO.


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I don’t like harden, never did, never will. Still felt sorry when he got injured, people must understand it’s just a game and must be kept this way, i swear for some hating becomes near pathological.

Draw a line somewhere, guys. Yes, some jokes are ok, never hurt anyone, but to relentlessly mock a player who just got injured, it’s disgusting.
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Re: WCSF | (1) Golden State Warriors vs (4) Houston Rockets, Part Two (GS leads 2-0) 

Post#30 » by yoyoboy » Wed May 1, 2019 1:05 pm

michaelm wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:Very anti-climactic series unfortunately. The best hope now is that Houston is able to take 2 games essentially, because there's no way a team is winning 4 out of 5 games against the most talented team of all time. And you know Golden State will most likely take at least 1 in Houston so this thing will probably be over in 5. Even if it ends that quickly, it's clear to me that the Rockets are both talented enough and effective enough in their strategies to win a title against any other team. The Clippers might've gone 6 against them, but Houston would probably beat LA in 5 or 6. The issue is that GS in my opinion is just a bad matchup for what they do. Green and Durant are basically GS's bigs and they're mobile and long enough to cover the baseline from the rim roller to the guys Houston has in the corners, depending on what the playmaker decides to do. And then the Warriors have multiple guys - Iggy, KD, Klay for starters - who can really make penetration difficult for Harden and CP3, which is key for what they do. And then Houston's defensive strategy involves conceding inefficient midrange shots, but the issue is that Golden State is an all-time outlier at knocking those down. Even when contested, KD, Curry, and to a lesser degree Klay almost never seem to miss them unless they're really pushed out of their comfort zone.

I think Harden is an all time great offensive player, and that the Rockets defend GSW as well as anyone has. Bad match-up for Houston though I agree, particularly on the mid range shooting thing where Durant has few peers historically; it is a great help to be 7 foot tall when you are an elite shooter regardless anyway.

Yeah, KD takes a quarter of his shots from the long midrange (16 ft to 3P) in the postseason. So Houston is happy to let him operate 1-on-1 from there because Moreyball says it's inefficient (and in general, it is). But he's making them at a 58.5% clip. That's 58.5% TS, which is higher than GS is shooting on the rest of their shots in the playoffs. When that's the shot you have to be happy with from Golden State, seeing that your alternative is doubling and potentially allowing a Curry/Klay three or Draymond-to-Iggy/Looney oop...you're going to have a rough time.

I think Milwaukee and Toronto are much better suited to make it harder for the Warriors though, because they have Kawhi and Giannis who can actually contest Durant's shots, and they have a plethora of other switchable defenders to throw at Curry and Klay.
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Post#31 » by spikeslovechild » Wed May 1, 2019 1:10 pm

Houston is full of snowflakes if they were as half as focused on the game as they were the refs the series would be at worst tied. Both games were there for the taking.

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Post#32 » by spacemonkey » Wed May 1, 2019 1:13 pm

MrPerfect1 wrote:
ken6199 wrote:
MrPerfect1 wrote:
So playing Basketball after an eye poke is equivalent to having people shooting at you trying to kill you..... Seems pretty similar to me. I was definitely concerned for his life!! The amount of eye poke deaths is quite serious


Just listen to yourself, please. I am tired of arguing the basics.


Your argument is that he was a soldier for playing through an eye poke. Doesn't seem like hyperbole at all to me! Eye pokes are every bit as deadly as weapons of war


Being a pedant is a surefire way to A) not win an argument, and B) make yourself look like an ass.

You, and everybody else knows what he meant by 'solider'. It's called a metaphor.
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Post#33 » by righterwriter » Wed May 1, 2019 1:16 pm

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Dr Aki wrote:i wanna see more crying and whining, from both sides


You're going to get it mostly from Houston. They think its the only way they can win.


No Paul no Gordon. KD stepped out of bound. They didn't bitch. Came back and drilled a 3 on the DPOY.

No Harden, Paul played a masterpiece game, they won.

You are quickly becoming the next "GTFO worthy" poster.


Just admit it, Golden State is better than Houston. This trying to make refereeing the problem (when we know that Harden/Paul are the two biggest floppers in the game) is just deluding oneself to that.
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Post#34 » by xfactor99 » Wed May 1, 2019 1:21 pm

yoyoboy wrote:
michaelm wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:Very anti-climactic series unfortunately. The best hope now is that Houston is able to take 2 games essentially, because there's no way a team is winning 4 out of 5 games against the most talented team of all time. And you know Golden State will most likely take at least 1 in Houston so this thing will probably be over in 5. Even if it ends that quickly, it's clear to me that the Rockets are both talented enough and effective enough in their strategies to win a title against any other team. The Clippers might've gone 6 against them, but Houston would probably beat LA in 5 or 6. The issue is that GS in my opinion is just a bad matchup for what they do. Green and Durant are basically GS's bigs and they're mobile and long enough to cover the baseline from the rim roller to the guys Houston has in the corners, depending on what the playmaker decides to do. And then the Warriors have multiple guys - Iggy, KD, Klay for starters - who can really make penetration difficult for Harden and CP3, which is key for what they do. And then Houston's defensive strategy involves conceding inefficient midrange shots, but the issue is that Golden State is an all-time outlier at knocking those down. Even when contested, KD, Curry, and to a lesser degree Klay almost never seem to miss them unless they're really pushed out of their comfort zone.

I think Harden is an all time great offensive player, and that the Rockets defend GSW as well as anyone has. Bad match-up for Houston though I agree, particularly on the mid range shooting thing where Durant has few peers historically; it is a great help to be 7 foot tall when you are an elite shooter regardless anyway.

Yeah, KD takes a quarter of his shots from the long midrange (16 ft to 3P) in the postseason. So Houston is happy to let him operate 1-on-1 from there because Moreyball says it's inefficient (and in general, it is). But he's making them at a 58.5% clip. That's 58.5% TS, which is higher than GS is shooting on the rest of their shots in the playoffs. When that's the shot you have to be happy with from Golden State, seeing that your alternative is doubling and potentially allowing a Curry/Klay three or Draymond-to-Iggy/Looney oop...you're going to have a rough time.

I think Milwaukee and Toronto are much better suited to make it harder for the Warriors though, because they have Kawhi and Giannis who can actually contest Durant's shots, and they have a plethora of other switchable defenders to throw at Curry and Klay.


Agree on Milwaukee and Toronto, in particular they are also significantly taller than Houston all-around. Houston's got a bunch of good individual defenders in isolation but they can't grab a damn rebound collectively.

While Toronto is very well-equipped to guard the Warriors, I have my doubts that they can score efficiently on the Warriors. I just don't trust Toronto's 3-point shooting enough, especially if the Warriors are playing at the defensive intensity that they have the last two games. The Bucks would be more interesting I think, I have difficulty envisioning how that matchup would go.
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Post#35 » by Nate505 » Wed May 1, 2019 1:28 pm

Rumor has it Oracle only had Visine on supply instead of the superior Clear Eyes. Incoming letter to the NBA from Morey as we speak.
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Post#36 » by TheGOATWill » Wed May 1, 2019 1:29 pm

Riley Curry had 4 offensive rebounds last night. Piss poor by Houston.
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Post#37 » by ken6199 » Wed May 1, 2019 1:43 pm

righterwriter wrote:Just admit it, Golden State is better than Houston. This trying to make refereeing the problem (when we know that Harden/Paul are the two biggest floppers in the game) is just deluding oneself to that.

Golden State is all time talented team I lost count how many times I've said that. It requires Houston to play their A game while GS has one or two shooters going cold for Houston to win a game, and with KD playing like the best player in the world right now, things get 2x tougher. Look at the WCF last year, Houston got blown out on most of their losses, and they won very narrowly. Sane Rockets fans all see the reality in front of us, an nobody is going to act like it's a shame if we lose to the Warriors - all we want to see is a competitive series. I used the word "rig" out of extreme frustration, if I can, I take it back.

But the thing is when game 1 went ultra competitive as a momentum swing series opener, when Houston did all they could to bring the game that close, seemingly lost it on some unfavored calls down the stretch and eventually lost the game by 1 possession, us fans have the right to question it. We are not saying those calls cost us the game, we are saying those calls were negative contributions. We are not saying referee is the problem, we are saying it is one of the problems. Game 2 was really clean from both sides, so even if it was still a loss, it was a lot more acceptable one.

There is also no need to bring floppers talk into this discussion. A guy can flop 100 times before and still should shoot 2 free throws if it's a legit foul. If we start to bring this logic of "if he cheated before then he should not get calls the rest of his career", where is the end? Where do we draw that line? I always thought it's better for everyone just stick to the game. If it's a foul, call it. If it's a leg sticking out or arm push off, call it offensive foul. You call a couple on Harden and it stops his push off automatically. Even as a Rockets fan I would love to see that because it makes the game a lot cleaner (and if you like, it makes our subsequent bitching on legit fouls more acceptable). However, we as posters have no need to elevate the discussion to an ethical level. Crying wolf, he deserves this treatment, he deserves this and that, it's not for us to say who deserves what. Look at Kerr, dude got punched by MJ, called Yao "Chinaman" on TV, did his fair share of ref complaining and snarky comments, a lousy GM who walked into a winning situation, there are quite a few better coaches out there who haven't won or will never win as much as Kerr had. Do we say Kerr not deserve his success or he needs to coach the Knicks to even out some of his luck? No, because it is not for us to comment who deserves what. We stay on the game itself, that's what we should do.
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Post#38 » by yoyoboy » Wed May 1, 2019 1:43 pm

xfactor99 wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:
michaelm wrote:I think Harden is an all time great offensive player, and that the Rockets defend GSW as well as anyone has. Bad match-up for Houston though I agree, particularly on the mid range shooting thing where Durant has few peers historically; it is a great help to be 7 foot tall when you are an elite shooter regardless anyway.

Yeah, KD takes a quarter of his shots from the long midrange (16 ft to 3P) in the postseason. So Houston is happy to let him operate 1-on-1 from there because Moreyball says it's inefficient (and in general, it is). But he's making them at a 58.5% clip. That's 58.5% TS, which is higher than GS is shooting on the rest of their shots in the playoffs. When that's the shot you have to be happy with from Golden State, seeing that your alternative is doubling and potentially allowing a Curry/Klay three or Draymond-to-Iggy/Looney oop...you're going to have a rough time.

I think Milwaukee and Toronto are much better suited to make it harder for the Warriors though, because they have Kawhi and Giannis who can actually contest Durant's shots, and they have a plethora of other switchable defenders to throw at Curry and Klay.


Agree on Milwaukee and Toronto, in particular they are also significantly taller than Houston all-around. Houston's got a bunch of good individual defenders in isolation but they can't grab a damn rebound collectively.

While Toronto is very well-equipped to guard the Warriors, I have my doubts that they can score efficiently on the Warriors. I just don't trust Toronto's 3-point shooting enough, especially if the Warriors are playing at the defensive intensity that they have the last two games. The Bucks would be more interesting I think, I have difficulty envisioning how that matchup would go.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat with Toronto. 6th in regular season 3P% and middle of the pack in the playoffs, but I don't trust Lowry's outside shot against Golden State one bit. In fact he's at 28.6% in these playoffs. And Danny Green is at 31.6%, not to mention he's shot it poorly in 4 of the last 5 playoffs he's been in. At the moment, Toronto's 3 point shooting is being spearheaded by Kawhi (46.5%), Gasol (45.6%), and Siakam (39.4%). I have no worries about Kawhi. But can Siakam sustain that? I don't think he's that level of a shooter personally, despite the fact that he shot nearly 37% in the RS. He rarely shoots contested ones. 0% of his 3PA in this postseason have been contested (defender within 4 feet). 3% of his 3PA in the regular season were contested. I think Gasol is really good shooter, but I have my doubt he's playable against the Warriors, so they'll more likely go Serge at the 5 (not a good shooter from range) and even Siakam for stretches.

So yeah, I like that defensive matchup. But offensively, you're right, they could struggle and if their outside shot isn't going, it'll be a lot of "Kawhi, make something happen." Siakam has really blossomed as Toronto's surefire #2 scoring option in the playoffs, posting over 23 ppg. Is he ready to maintain that kind of production against the Warriors though? I'm not sure. And when Lowry is your third scoring option, you're going to need every bit of it.
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Post#39 » by laika » Wed May 1, 2019 2:03 pm

yoyoboy wrote:Golden State has virtually 5 players this postseason with a 5.0 BPM or higher:

- Bogut: 6.6 BPM
- Iguodala: 6.4 BPM
- Curry: 6.2 BPM
- Durant: 5.5 BPM
- Green: 4.9 BPM

That's nuts. Especially the fact that Iggy is 35 years old and playing 28 mpg averaging 11 ppg, 4 app, and 4 rpg while turning the ball over less than 1 time a game, shooting at 63% TS, and still playing absolutely elite perimeter defense. Even at this age, he's still the ideal glue guy for a championship team. That's why I always roll my eyes when Warriors fans insist (and it happened last year, too) that Iggy is DONE, because without fail come playoff time he's regularly guarding the other team's best perimeter player like Harden or LeBron, finishing oops, making good decisions with the ball, and hitting the 3 at a better clip than people expect.


Good example of why you can't trust box score accumulator stats. Bogut has been terrible in the playoffs.
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Post#40 » by ATRAIN53 » Wed May 1, 2019 2:04 pm

Tough sledding now. They really had to get one of those first 2 in Oracle to put the pressure on GSW

Beating them 4 of 5 now with one-eyed pirate Harden out there would be beyond epic if they pull it off.

Durant is playing like he unlocked some cheat code.
I'd go thug and try to get him in some foul trouble.
It sorta worked for the Clippers.

Curry is 6/23 form 3 after 2 games
unfortunately Harden is 7/23.....

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