Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[the_process]

You lost me.

Hartford: Let me explain it to you like an 8 year old.

Me: Why don’t you explain it to me like I’m 5.

A "max deal" that's declining is not a max deal.

Referring to starting a max in year 1 and declining the maximum declining percentage each season?

I could see Jimmy considering that but not sure. Jimmy struggles to find situations that make him happy. If he likes it here, it seems possible. He doesn’t have your classic Versace taste.

Jimmy's max deal on full Bird rights would look like this (based on a 108M cap): 32,400,000/34,992,000/37,584,000/ 40,176,000/42,768,000 for a total of 187,920,000

Every other team can offer him a max of: 32,400,000/34,020,000/35,640,000/37,260,000 for a total of 139,320,000

A 5 year 8% declining deal looks like: 32,400,000/29,808,000/27,216,000/24,624,000/ 22,032,000 for a total of 136,080,000

[ProcessDoctor]

soooooooooo are people jumping back on the max Jimmy train?

They still need to try and squeeze him for some giveback, leverage the playing some PG on a winning team thing... but it certainly doesn't look like it's going to be much.

If we make it out of this round, it's going to be on the back of Jimmy. I don't think we'll be able to squeeze him for anything. Tobias, yes. We will need to decide if Jimmy is GOING TO BE worth the massive contract he'll get.

The player comps for Jimmy give some promise he'll be impactful well into his mid-30's.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/jimmy-butler/

For the top 5, here are the ages they had their last high impact year (based off BPM)

1. Clyde Drexler: 35 (retired, was still a very productive player)

2. Manu Ginobili: 36 (became more of a high-end role player after)

3. Julius Erving: 33 (played 3 more seasons, but was really old doc after the championship season)

4. Metta World Peace: 29 (probably the worst comp, was never more than a role player)

5. Paul Pierce: 35 (afterward traded to BKN and was never the same)


We can only project so much in Jimmy's case, but I'd personally feel comfortable giving him a 4-year max given his style of play and IQ (criminally underrated).

It's Tobias I'm more worried about giving a max to. He has to take less IMO.

[sixers hoops]

A "max deal" that's declining is not a max deal.

Referring to starting a max in year 1 and declining the maximum declining percentage each season?

I could see Jimmy considering that but not sure. Jimmy struggles to find situations that make him happy. If he likes it here, it seems possible. He doesn’t have your classic Versace taste.

Jimmy's max deal on full Bird rights would look like this (based on a 108M cap): 32,400,000/34,992,000/37,584,000/ 40,176,000/42,768,000 for a total of 187,920,000

Every other team can offer him a max of: 32,400,000/34,020,000/35,640,000/37,260,000 for a total of 139,320,000

A 5 year 8% declining deal looks like: 32,400,000/29,808,000/27,216,000/24,624,000/ 22,032,000 for a total of 136,080,000

Very helpful...Option 3 would likely send Jimmy looking elsewhere. I think we could offer a matching 4 year deal. Saving on the 5th year makes it more palatable to us, and he wouldn’t get more money elsewhere. At even money, he may like it here enough to stay.

[PhillyPhilly]

That’s my hope.

Out of those available, who do you think would gel with the big four the best SH?

I haven’t watched too much non-Sixers ball this year, so I don’t have a strong opinion. They all seem like 37-38% shooters, but looking at their stats aren’t all above average shooters from deep. Since nobody in the group is a tier one sniper, I’d probably want to strongly consider age and who is the strongest defender of the group.

Lamb, KCP, and Hood are all 26. KCP is an okay off the ball, corner three guy, but only has one season over 35% from three. Rodney Hood’s shooting hasn’t been very good since leaving Utah and was rendered unplayable in Cleveland at one point. And Lamb is a career 34% from 3. Don’t think any of them provide the shooting to be a good fit.

Ellington will be turn 32 at the beginning of the season and can’t defend.

Ross and Bullock are both in their prime, about 27. Willing defenders. They both have height for the position. I would be excited for either. However, I feel like Bullock is realistically attainable, and he has the mental toughness, catch-and-shoot skills, and defensive versatility to fit with our lineup. Not sure how good a defender he is, but likely a huge upgrade from JJ. And wouldn’t he likely come cheaper than Ross?

Tyreek Evens will also be available as well as Wesley Matthews. I'm just intrigued to see a SG on this team who has a more well rounded game than just being spot up shooter. KCP and Ross can both shoot from range but also get buckets through iso, something JJ can't do. And with a player like that you will be able to get points out of them even If the shot isn't falling. Plus have a better defender.

[the_process]

Referring to starting a max in year 1 and declining the maximum declining percentage each season?

I could see Jimmy considering that but not sure. Jimmy struggles to find situations that make him happy. If he likes it here, it seems possible. He doesn’t have your classic Versace taste.

Jimmy's max deal on full Bird rights would look like this (based on a 108M cap): 32,400,000/34,992,000/37,584,000/ 40,176,000/42,768,000 for a total of 187,920,000

Every other team can offer him a max of: 32,400,000/34,020,000/35,640,000/37,260,000 for a total of 139,320,000

A 5 year 8% declining deal looks like: 32,400,000/29,808,000/27,216,000/24,624,000/ 22,032,000 for a total of 136,080,000

Very helpful...Option 3 would likely send Jimmy looking elsewhere. I think we could offer a matching 4 year deal. Saving on the 5th year makes it more palatable to us, and he wouldn’t get more money elsewhere. At even money, he may like it here enough to stay.

I still want to see what happens the rest of these playoffs... but as of right now it seems a 4 year 8% raises contract starting at 32.4M (total of 145,152,000) seems reasonable to retain Jimmy.

Tobias is a whole other story, however.

[ivysixer2000]

Jimmy's max deal on full Bird rights would look like this (based on a 108M cap): 32,400,000/34,992,000/37,584,000/ 40,176,000/42,768,000 for a total of 187,920,000

Every other team can offer him a max of: 32,400,000/34,020,000/35,640,000/37,260,000 for a total of 139,320,000

A 5 year 8% declining deal looks like: 32,400,000/29,808,000/27,216,000/24,624,000/ 22,032,000 for a total of 136,080,000

Very helpful...Option 3 would likely send Jimmy looking elsewhere. I think we could offer a matching 4 year deal. Saving on the 5th year makes it more palatable to us, and he wouldn’t get more money elsewhere. At even money, he may like it here enough to stay.

I still want to see what happens the rest of these playoffs... but as of right now it seems a 4 year 8% raises contract starting at 32.4M (total of 145,152,000) seems reasonable to retain Jimmy.

Tobias is a whole other story, however.

Man depending on this series, I would check to see what Kawhi is talking about before I even worry about Tobias.

Its risky, but the upside is rings.

[sixers hoops]

Very helpful...Option 3 would likely send Jimmy looking elsewhere. I think we could offer a matching 4 year deal. Saving on the 5th year makes it more palatable to us, and he wouldn’t get more money elsewhere. At even money, he may like it here enough to stay.

I still want to see what happens the rest of these playoffs... but as of right now it seems a 4 year 8% raises contract starting at 32.4M (total of 145,152,000) seems reasonable to retain Jimmy.

Tobias is a whole other story, however.

Man depending on this series, I would check to see what Kawhi is talking about before I even worry about Tobias.

Its risky, but the upside is rings.

Courtesy offer to Durant and Kawhi will surely be made. Kawhi is at least as realistic as Lebron was last year.

And they will likely make fairly quick decisions. Am I worried that Tobias or Jimmy will walk because we are chasing an unlikely target in Kawhi for a week? No

[sixers hoops]

Out of those available, who do you think would gel with the big four the best SH?

I haven’t watched too much non-Sixers ball this year, so I don’t have a strong opinion. They all seem like 37-38% shooters, but looking at their stats aren’t all above average shooters from deep. Since nobody in the group is a tier one sniper, I’d probably want to strongly consider age and who is the strongest defender of the group.

Lamb, KCP, and Hood are all 26. KCP is an okay off the ball, corner three guy, but only has one season over 35% from three. Rodney Hood’s shooting hasn’t been very good since leaving Utah and was rendered unplayable in Cleveland at one point. And Lamb is a career 34% from 3. Don’t think any of them provide the shooting to be a good fit.

Ellington will be turn 32 at the beginning of the season and can’t defend.

Ross and Bullock are both in their prime, about 27. Willing defenders. They both have height for the position. I would be excited for either. However, I feel like Bullock is realistically attainable, and he has the mental toughness, catch-and-shoot skills, and defensive versatility to fit with our lineup. Not sure how good a defender he is, but likely a huge upgrade from JJ. And wouldn’t he likely come cheaper than Ross?

Tyreek Evens will also be available as well as Wesley Matthews. I'm just intrigued to see a SG on this team who has a more well rounded game than just being spot up shooter. KCP and Ross can both shoot from range but also get buckets through iso, something JJ can't do. And with a player like that you will be able to get points out of them even If the shot isn't falling. Plus have a better defender.

I just watched a bunch of Bullock highlights. He is a smart kid and a very good shooter off the ball. He would be an excellent fit with our desperate need to space the floor.

[BullyKing]

I still want to see what happens the rest of these playoffs... but as of right now it seems a 4 year 8% raises contract starting at 32.4M (total of 145,152,000) seems reasonable to retain Jimmy.

Tobias is a whole other story, however.

Man depending on this series, I would check to see what Kawhi is talking about before I even worry about Tobias.

Its risky, but the upside is rings.

Courtesy offer to Durant and Kawhi will surely be made. Kawhi is at least as realistic as Lebron was last year.

And they will likely make fairly quick decisions. Am I worried that Tobias or Jimmy will walk because we are chasing an unlikely target in Kawhi for a week? No

In all likelihood, Durant and Kawhi made their decisions months ago. At the most, it might where they decided they'll go to team X if they offer the max, otherwise they'll go to team Y. Let's just hope we're team X. Adding Kawhi to this team (sans either Butler or Harris) would be unreal. Would make missing out on Lebron last year a huge blessing in disguise (if it isn't already).

[ivysixer2000]

Man depending on this series, I would check to see what Kawhi is talking about before I even worry about Tobias.

Its risky, but the upside is rings.

Courtesy offer to Durant and Kawhi will surely be made. Kawhi is at least as realistic as Lebron was last year.

And they will likely make fairly quick decisions. Am I worried that Tobias or Jimmy will walk because we are chasing an unlikely target in Kawhi for a week? No

In all likelihood, Durant and Kawhi made their decisions months ago. At the most, it might where they decided they'll go to team X if they offer the max, otherwise they'll go to team Y. Let's just hope we're team X. Adding Kawhi to this team (sans either Butler or Harris) would be unreal. Would make missing out on Lebron last year a huge blessing in disguise (if it isn't already).

Well I believe that a team that starts Beverley, Ben, Jimmy, Kawhi, and Jojo (yeah there would be alot of missed games there), might be one of the best defensive teams in the modern era. The Warriors would have serious issues with that team.

Kawhi is still a dream, but if we were to make it to the Finals and lost, we would have his attention unless he really wants to be a Clipper. I seriously doubt we are on Durant's radar.

[sixers hoops]

Courtesy offer to Durant and Kawhi will surely be made. Kawhi is at least as realistic as Lebron was last year.

And they will likely make fairly quick decisions. Am I worried that Tobias or Jimmy will walk because we are chasing an unlikely target in Kawhi for a week? No

In all likelihood, Durant and Kawhi made their decisions months ago. At the most, it might where they decided they'll go to team X if they offer the max, otherwise they'll go to team Y. Let's just hope we're team X. Adding Kawhi to this team (sans either Butler or Harris) would be unreal. Would make missing out on Lebron last year a huge blessing in disguise (if it isn't already).

Well I believe that a team that starts Beverley, Ben, Jimmy, Kawhi, and Jojo (yeah there would be alot of missed games there), might be one of the best defensive teams in the modern era. The Warriors would have serious issues with that team.

Kawhi is still a dream, but if we were to make it to the Finals and lost, we would have his attention unless he really wants to be a Clipper. I seriously doubt we are on Durant's radar.

I believe the Durant to Knick’s rumors. Makes sense if Kyrie is going with him. Seems to align with his goal of getting a big franchise to himself. Teaming up with Embiid only brings same criticism as last time. If he goes to the Knicks with Kyrie and wins a title, he will get the credit he craves.

If Kawhi has a good relationship with Ben, Joel, and Brett, he could conceivably have his eyes on us.

[ivysixer2000]

In all likelihood, Durant and Kawhi made their decisions months ago. At the most, it might where they decided they'll go to team X if they offer the max, otherwise they'll go to team Y. Let's just hope we're team X. Adding Kawhi to this team (sans either Butler or Harris) would be unreal. Would make missing out on Lebron last year a huge blessing in disguise (if it isn't already).

Well I believe that a team that starts Beverley, Ben, Jimmy, Kawhi, and Jojo (yeah there would be alot of missed games there), might be one of the best defensive teams in the modern era. The Warriors would have serious issues with that team.

Kawhi is still a dream, but if we were to make it to the Finals and lost, we would have his attention unless he really wants to be a Clipper. I seriously doubt we are on Durant's radar.

I believe the Durant to Knick’s rumors. Makes sense if Kyrie is going with him. Seems to align with his goal of getting a big franchise to himself. Teaming up with Embiid only brings same criticism as last time. If he goes to the Knicks with Kyrie and wins a title, he will get the credit he craves.

If Kawhi has a good relationship with Ben, Joel, and Brett, he could conceivably have his eyes on us.

Well, I'm just hoping Tobias doesn't get his feelings hurt if we talk to Kawhi. We can't afford to lose Tobias if we can't get Kawhi, hopefully they are smart enough to know what will happen by now.

If there is anyway possible a Beverley, Ben, Jimmy, Kawhi, and Jojo happens............I will streak through Philly and I'm a 1000 miles away.

[sixers hoops]

Well I believe that a team that starts Beverley, Ben, Jimmy, Kawhi, and Jojo (yeah there would be alot of missed games there), might be one of the best defensive teams in the modern era. The Warriors would have serious issues with that team.

Kawhi is still a dream, but if we were to make it to the Finals and lost, we would have his attention unless he really wants to be a Clipper. I seriously doubt we are on Durant's radar.

I believe the Durant to Knick’s rumors. Makes sense if Kyrie is going with him. Seems to align with his goal of getting a big franchise to himself. Teaming up with Embiid only brings same criticism as last time. If he goes to the Knicks with Kyrie and wins a title, he will get the credit he craves.

If Kawhi has a good relationship with Ben, Joel, and Brett, he could conceivably have his eyes on us.

Well, I'm just hoping Tobias doesn't get his feelings hurt if we talk to Kawhi. We can't afford to lose Tobias if we can't get Kawhi, hopefully they are smart enough to know what will happen by now.

If there is anyway possible a Beverley, Ben, Jimmy, Kawhi, and Jojo happens............I will streak through Philly and I'm a 1000 miles away.

Signing Kawhi just got much less attractive lol

[Sixerscan]

Well I believe that a team that starts Beverley, Ben, Jimmy, Kawhi, and Jojo (yeah there would be alot of missed games there), might be one of the best defensive teams in the modern era. The Warriors would have serious issues with that team.

Kawhi is still a dream, but if we were to make it to the Finals and lost, we would have his attention unless he really wants to be a Clipper. I seriously doubt we are on Durant's radar.

I believe the Durant to Knick’s rumors. Makes sense if Kyrie is going with him. Seems to align with his goal of getting a big franchise to himself. Teaming up with Embiid only brings same criticism as last time. If he goes to the Knicks with Kyrie and wins a title, he will get the credit he craves.

If Kawhi has a good relationship with Ben, Joel, and Brett, he could conceivably have his eyes on us.

Well, I'm just hoping Tobias doesn't get his feelings hurt if we talk to Kawhi. We can't afford to lose Tobias if we can't get Kawhi, hopefully they are smart enough to know what will happen by now.

If there is anyway possible a Beverley, Ben, Jimmy, Kawhi, and Jojo happens............I will streak through Philly and I'm a 1000 miles away.

Would be much harder to get Beverley with Kawhi versus Harris. Since you're signing Kawhi with cap space, you would have the room exception instead of the full MLE. Harris is with bird rights, so you can go over the cap and use the MLE. $4 million versus 10. You can also still bring back JJ that way.

Kawhi has been a Clipper for about a year now anyway.

[sixers hoops]

I believe the Durant to Knick’s rumors. Makes sense if Kyrie is going with him. Seems to align with his goal of getting a big franchise to himself. Teaming up with Embiid only brings same criticism as last time. If he goes to the Knicks with Kyrie and wins a title, he will get the credit he craves.

If Kawhi has a good relationship with Ben, Joel, and Brett, he could conceivably have his eyes on us.

Well, I'm just hoping Tobias doesn't get his feelings hurt if we talk to Kawhi. We can't afford to lose Tobias if we can't get Kawhi, hopefully they are smart enough to know what will happen by now.

If there is anyway possible a Beverley, Ben, Jimmy, Kawhi, and Jojo happens............I will streak through Philly and I'm a 1000 miles away.

Would be much harder to get Beverley with Kawhi versus Harris. Since you're signing Kawhi with cap space, you would have the room exception instead of the full MLE. Harris is with bird rights, so you can go over the cap and use the MLE. $4 million versus 10. You can also still bring back JJ that way.

Kawhi has been a Clipper for about a year now anyway.

After the constant rumors that PG was going to the Lakers and it falling through, I question if the Kawhi to Clips rumors are accurate. What reports or clues have you convinced he is a Clipper? I assumed they were a front runner, but he probably didn’t have his mind made up.

[Sixerscan]

Well, I'm just hoping Tobias doesn't get his feelings hurt if we talk to Kawhi. We can't afford to lose Tobias if we can't get Kawhi, hopefully they are smart enough to know what will happen by now.

If there is anyway possible a Beverley, Ben, Jimmy, Kawhi, and Jojo happens............I will streak through Philly and I'm a 1000 miles away.

Would be much harder to get Beverley with Kawhi versus Harris. Since you're signing Kawhi with cap space, you would have the room exception instead of the full MLE. Harris is with bird rights, so you can go over the cap and use the MLE. $4 million versus 10. You can also still bring back JJ that way.

Kawhi has been a Clipper for about a year now anyway.

After the constant rumors that PG was going to the Lakers and it falling through, I question if the Kawhi to Clips rumors are accurate. What reports or clues have you convinced he is a Clipper? I assumed they were a front runner, but he probably didn’t have his mind made up.

Just my opinion. There have been rumors but not from someone like Woj or someone like that. I think he’s either going to the Clippers or back to the Raptors for the extra money.

[sixers hoops]

Would be much harder to get Beverley with Kawhi versus Harris. Since you're signing Kawhi with cap space, you would have the room exception instead of the full MLE. Harris is with bird rights, so you can go over the cap and use the MLE. $4 million versus 10. You can also still bring back JJ that way.

Kawhi has been a Clipper for about a year now anyway.

After the constant rumors that PG was going to the Lakers and it falling through, I question if the Kawhi to Clips rumors are accurate. What reports or clues have you convinced he is a Clipper? I assumed they were a front runner, but he probably didn’t have his mind made up.

Just my opinion. There have been rumors but not from someone like Woj or someone like that. I think he’s either going to the Clippers or back to the Raptors for the extra money.

I mostly agree, but assumed he may want to listen to another team or two, if he sees a better chance at a title.

[PhillyPhilly]

Obviously getting Kawhi would be a dream but tbh if this team goes far in these playoffs having played less than thirty games together than just imagine what it could do next year? The only change I'm looking at it JJ for obvious reasons. Add a SG to this team who can defend and space the floor then I honestly think we could win it all. Especially if Golden State lose Durant as well.

[eyeatoma]

We have a chance to win it all this year.

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[ivysixer2000]

After the constant rumors that PG was going to the Lakers and it falling through, I question if the Kawhi to Clips rumors are accurate. What reports or clues have you convinced he is a Clipper? I assumed they were a front runner, but he probably didn’t have his mind made up.

Just my opinion. There have been rumors but not from someone like Woj or someone like that. I think he’s either going to the Clippers or back to the Raptors for the extra money.

I mostly agree, but assumed he may want to listen to another team or two, if he sees a better chance at a title.

I just think he will listen, if we think BB has any kinda of pull in that situation at all.

We can't just be stagnant in the situation, if we don't get a ring, pursue Kawhi.

Loyalty means nothing with that, Tobias can wait a day or 2.