Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[ivysixer2000]

We have a chance to win it all this year.

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Thread is about this summer, not these playoffs.

Nothing wrong with talking.

[eyeatoma]

We have a chance to win it all this year.

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Thread is about this summer, not these playoffs.

Nothing wrong with talking.

I never said there wasn't. Just saying this team playing the way they are now has a decent chance to win it all. Nothing wrong with saying that either.

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[sixers hoops]

We have a chance to win it all this year.

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Thread is about this summer, not these playoffs.

Nothing wrong with talking.

I never said there wasn't. Just saying this team playing the way they are now has a decent chance to win it all. Nothing wrong with saying that either.

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There is if it is not relevant to the topic because it often will derail the thread. Not sure why you posted that in the free agency free.

[eyeatoma]

Because those players could be enough to win it. We resign Harris and Butler. Get redick on a cheap contract. Get a replacement for him in the starting lineup and two bench pieces.

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[ivysixer2000]

Because those players could be enough to win it. We resign Harris and Butler. Get redick on a lot contract. Get a replacement for him in the starting lineup and two bench pieces.

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This is a thread where we are talking about the what 'ifs' of the summer.

But what you say sounds great, unless the Raps win the next 3 games.

From a GM standpoint, there is always a thought process.

[eyeatoma]

Because those players could be enough to win it. We resign Harris and Butler. Get redick on a lot contract. Get a replacement for him in the starting lineup and two bench pieces.

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This is a thread where we are talking about the what 'ifs' of the summer.

But what you say sounds great, unless the Raps win the next 3 games.

From a GM standpoint, there is always a thought process.

Fair enough.

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[Foshan]

I really think bringing almost everyone back gives us the best shot at both depth for the regular season, and expiring contracts in the future to play with. While Kawhai would be a player worth gutting your depth for, I think bringing most guys back and looking to lighten the load on the starters through the season by working guys like Shake/Smith/Bolden & potential picks into the line up would be worthwhile.

I’d even be willing to bring TJ back as he’s not a bad regular season guy, and seems to have a good ‘coaching’ type head for the game, could be helpful in bringing the young guys along. Boban too, though I’d love to use a pick on a real raw big guy (like mitchel Robinson last year), and run bolden soley as a back up 4.

[sixers hoops]

Because those players could be enough to win it. We resign Harris and Butler. Get redick on a cheap contract. Get a replacement for him in the starting lineup and two bench pieces.

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I agree, but get kinda confused as to the expected construction of our team next year.

I don’t think Ben playing 30+ minutes of point guard, without a jumpshot, is a good idea. I mentioned before, until he has more of a perimeter game, he is such a liability at times that he is better off at the four in many matchups.

Are we assuming next year that Ben is starting point guard and Jimmy is the backup? If so, then I grab a Bullock/Ross type and a Dedmon type to replace Boban. And a backup point guard other than T.J. for times when Ben or Jimmy are out. Does Shake have PG experience?

However, if they would rather invest in an experienced point guard who can shoot, it may be more beneficial. I’m sure Ben will start every game at point guard, but could a point guard signing fill a bigger need, since we will have JJ, Shake, and Zhaire all fighting for minutes at the two?

If we don’t need an actual guy to run the offense in our rotation because Simmons and Butler are going to do that for the majority of every game, then get the best shooter to compete for a starting job.

However, do we think Elton and Brett go into next season comfortable with Simmons and Butler coving 48 minutes at point guard?

If it works in the playoffs, then I assume it’s the likely outcome. I just question if they want to go into the season with a guy who struggles on the perimeter and a guy with limited point guard experience as their primary options at the spot. And T.J. isn’t a guy I really want in our playoff rotation, so he can operate in emergency minutes, but I am not comfortable with him have a significant role.

Is Elton thinking something along the lines of:
Simmons/Butler/Low resource free agent
Free agent/JJ/Zhaire/Shake
Butler/Ennis
Tobias/Scott/Bolden
Embiid/Low resource free agent

[XDevilBoiX]

If we bring back the starters, I would look to bring in defensive players for the bench. While most wants more offense from the bench, I rather have guys who comes in and hold leads. Forget about adding 3&D guys, they would cost too much and tons of team have cap space that will over pay. Our starters should be able to take leads most nights.

We need guys that can defend, rebound and finishes around the rim, hit mid range jumpers while occasionally hit a 3. While the new NBA is about hitting 3s, defense still wins games in the playoffs. We have seen first hand that shooters can go cold last year against Boston and this year against Brooklyn and now Toronto.

I would only bring back JJ if he is on a cheaper deal to be a 6th man or starter if we can’t find a better replacement through FA or the draft. Hopefully they can find another Shamet in the draft and groom him to take JJ’s spot.

[Sixerscan]

I really think bringing almost everyone back gives us the best shot at both depth for the regular season, and expiring contracts in the future to play with. While Kawhai would be a player worth gutting your depth for, I think bringing most guys back and looking to lighten the load on the starters through the season by working guys like Shake/Smith/Bolden & potential picks into the line up would be worthwhile.

I’d even be willing to bring TJ back as he’s not a bad regular season guy, and seems to have a good ‘coaching’ type head for the game, could be helpful in bringing the young guys along. Boban too, though I’d love to use a pick on a real raw big guy (like mitchel Robinson last year), and run bolden soley as a back up 4.

Yeah as I said in the Shake thread, you have to give him and Zhaire a path to playing time, especially Zhaire. Otherwise you run the risk of him going down the same path as TLC, Korkmaz ect.

The thing about signing guys so you have expiring contracts is that, guys that sign one year deals with bird rights (like JJ and Amir this year) get functional no trade clauses. So that's not incredibly valuable.

I see people talking about letting JJ go, and that really doesn't make sense for me. You can go over the cap to sign him and still use your MLE, and if he loses it you can give Zhaire and Shake more opportunities.

I think the upside would be in upgrading one of the reserve forward/big spots. I think you need a vet there, a teenager like Robinson is fun on the worst team in the league, but he wouldn't be ready for the sort of games we are playing today for a few years.

Love TJ but I wouldn't want to give him much above the minimum at this point. If he can find another team that would give him more money and playing time I would be happy for him and wish him the best.

[sixers hoops]

I really think bringing almost everyone back gives us the best shot at both depth for the regular season, and expiring contracts in the future to play with. While Kawhai would be a player worth gutting your depth for, I think bringing most guys back and looking to lighten the load on the starters through the season by working guys like Shake/Smith/Bolden & potential picks into the line up would be worthwhile.

I’d even be willing to bring TJ back as he’s not a bad regular season guy, and seems to have a good ‘coaching’ type head for the game, could be helpful in bringing the young guys along. Boban too, though I’d love to use a pick on a real raw big guy (like mitchel Robinson last year), and run bolden soley as a back up 4.

Yeah as I said in the Shake thread, you have to give him and Zhaire a path to playing time, especially Zhaire. Otherwise you run the risk of him going down the same path as TLC, Korkmaz ect.

The thing about signing guys so you have expiring contracts is that, guys that sign one year deals with bird rights (like JJ and Amir this year) get functional no trade clauses. So that's not incredibly valuable.

I see people talking about letting JJ go, and that really doesn't make sense for me. You can go over the cap to sign him and still use your MLE, and if he loses it you can give Zhaire and Shake more opportunities.

I think the upside would be in upgrading one of the reserve forward/big spots. I think you need a vet there, a teenager like Robinson is fun on the worst team in the league, but he wouldn't be ready for the sort of games we are playing today for a few years.

Love TJ but I wouldn't want to give him much above the minimum at this point. If he can find another team that would give him more money and playing time I would be happy for him and wish him the best.

I historically get attached to bench guys. A few years back I thought we needed to lock up Nick Young lol. Last year, I was in a panic about losing Belinelli and Ilyasova. Now I am extremely worried about losing Scott and Ennis.

Having 3 and D guys coming off the bench in huge for us, with the magnified floor spacing problem we have to make Ben and Joel work together. I almost want our other 6 or 7 rotation guys to be league average or better from deep. I would hate to lose one or both of them. If we are operating above the cap, I can’t imagine we let them go.

However, while Harris seems committed to pay the luxury tax, he likely isn’t interested in having a $200 million roster. I believe the luxury tax penalties increase each year as well. And as you mentioned before, you don’t lock up bench guys long-term and block your higher upside, cheap labor. If we want him to commit over $100 million to four players, I’m sure there are expectations that Elton find good rotational players through the draft and through value veteran signings.

[eyeatoma]

Because those players could be enough to win it. We resign Harris and Butler. Get redick on a cheap contract. Get a replacement for him in the starting lineup and two bench pieces.

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I agree, but get kinda confused as to the expected construction of our team next year.

I don’t think Ben playing 30+ minutes of point guard, without a jumpshot, is a good idea. I mentioned before, until he has more of a perimeter game, he is such a liability at times that he is better off at the four in many matchups.

Are we assuming next year that Ben is starting point guard and Jimmy is the backup? If so, then I grab a Bullock/Ross type and a Dedmon type to replace Boban. And a backup point guard other than T.J. for times when Ben or Jimmy are out. Does Shake have PG experience?

However, if they would rather invest in an experienced point guard who can shoot, it may be more beneficial. I’m sure Ben will start every game at point guard, but could a point guard signing fill a bigger need, since we will have JJ, Shake, and Zhaire all fighting for minutes at the two?

If we don’t need an actual guy to run the offense in our rotation because Simmons and Butler are going to do that for the majority of every game, then get the best shooter to compete for a starting job.

However, do we think Elton and Brett go into next season comfortable with Simmons and Butler coving 48 minutes at point guard?

If it works in the playoffs, then I assume it’s the likely outcome. I just question if they want to go into the season with a guy who struggles on the perimeter and a guy with limited point guard experience as their primary options at the spot. And T.J. isn’t a guy I really want in our playoff rotation, so he can operate in emergency minutes, but I am not comfortable with him have a significant role.

Is Elton thinking something along the lines of:
Simmons/Butler/Low resource free agent
Free agent/JJ/Zhaire/Shake
Butler/Ennis
Tobias/Scott/Bolden
Embiid/Low resource free agent

Completely agree, Ben needs to work on his jumper this year. Again his offense has been exposed during the playoffs He is without a doubt an x factor to making this team an undisputed contender/favorites for the title.

Agree with most of the rest of your points. TJ should only play when there is an injury, or as a human victory cigar. I really do think Beverly at SG might help.

[youngcrev]

I'd use that MLE money on Dedmon. I get that spending your most money on a bench guy that can't play at the same time as your best player may not be optimal (it's probably even a BAD idea), but I don't care. It saves you from getting completely crushed when Jo steps off the floor, it gives you a guy that can protect the rim, rebound AND spread the floor for Ben, and it makes it so that you can keep Jo around 30 minutes a night with a bunch of load management games. Bolden and Scott can take those backup 4 minutes. Hopefully Zhaire and Shake can give you something on the wings. Throw the BAE at a guard (George Hill?). Hope you can get a contributor out of one of those draft picks. Maybe bring Ennis back too.

[ivysixer2000]

Because those players could be enough to win it. We resign Harris and Butler. Get redick on a lot contract. Get a replacement for him in the starting lineup and two bench pieces.

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This is a thread where we are talking about the what 'ifs' of the summer.

But what you say sounds great, unless the Raps win the next 3 games.

From a GM standpoint, there is always a thought process.

Fair enough.

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Damn I'm hoping I was wrong, but I thought about this post.

Hope I didn't speak this into existence.

[sixers hoops]

I'd use that MLE money on Dedmon. I get that spending your most money on a bench guy that can't play at the same time as your best player may not be optimal (it's probably even a BAD idea), but I don't care. It saves you from getting completely crushed when Jo steps off the floor, it gives you a guy that can protect the rim, rebound AND spread the floor for Ben, and it makes it so that you can keep Jo around 30 minutes a night with a bunch of load management games. Bolden and Scott can take those backup 4 minutes. Hopefully Zhaire and Shake can give you something on the wings. Throw the BAE at a guard (George Hill?). Hope you can get a contributor out of one of those draft picks. Maybe bring Ennis back too.

Not a bad idea, but I could easily be inclined to sign starting two with the bigger exception and get the backup center with the smaller. It really depends who the players are.

[youngcrev]

I'd use that MLE money on Dedmon. I get that spending your most money on a bench guy that can't play at the same time as your best player may not be optimal (it's probably even a BAD idea), but I don't care. It saves you from getting completely crushed when Jo steps off the floor, it gives you a guy that can protect the rim, rebound AND spread the floor for Ben, and it makes it so that you can keep Jo around 30 minutes a night with a bunch of load management games. Bolden and Scott can take those backup 4 minutes. Hopefully Zhaire and Shake can give you something on the wings. Throw the BAE at a guard (George Hill?). Hope you can get a contributor out of one of those draft picks. Maybe bring Ennis back too.

Not a bad idea, but I could easily be inclined to sign starting two with the bigger exception and get the backup center with the smaller. It really depends who the players are.

So you want a starting 2 in addition to bringing back JJ? I think I'd just pencil JJ in as the starter and hope Zhaire can take that spot from him.

[sixers hoops]

I'd use that MLE money on Dedmon. I get that spending your most money on a bench guy that can't play at the same time as your best player may not be optimal (it's probably even a BAD idea), but I don't care. It saves you from getting completely crushed when Jo steps off the floor, it gives you a guy that can protect the rim, rebound AND spread the floor for Ben, and it makes it so that you can keep Jo around 30 minutes a night with a bunch of load management games. Bolden and Scott can take those backup 4 minutes. Hopefully Zhaire and Shake can give you something on the wings. Throw the BAE at a guard (George Hill?). Hope you can get a contributor out of one of those draft picks. Maybe bring Ennis back too.

Not a bad idea, but I could easily be inclined to sign starting two with the bigger exception and get the backup center with the smaller. It really depends who the players are.

So you want a starting 2 in addition to bringing back JJ? I think I'd just pencil JJ in as the starter and hope Zhaire can take that spot from him.

Honestly, it somewhat depends what we do with the top of the roster first. I like Zhaire and Shake to start cracking the rotation.

Depending on what they do, it could be a point guard or a three as well. Maybe Beverly.

I don’t think Ben can continue to start at the one without a perimeter game, but I think he will be the starter there. I think we have three rotational twos in JJ, Shake, and Zhaire, but nobody I really like to start just yet.

[youngcrev]

Not a bad idea, but I could easily be inclined to sign starting two with the bigger exception and get the backup center with the smaller. It really depends who the players are.

So you want a starting 2 in addition to bringing back JJ? I think I'd just pencil JJ in as the starter and hope Zhaire can take that spot from him.

Honestly, it somewhat depends what we do with the top of the roster first. I like Zhaire and Shake to start cracking the rotation.

Depending on what they do, it could be a point guard or a three as well. Maybe Beverly.

I don’t think Ben can continue to start at the one without a perimeter game, but I think he will be the starter there. I think we have three rotational twos in JJ, Shake, and Zhaire, but nobody I really like to start just yet.

I'd love Beverly, but I feel like a team like Dallas or Phoenix is going to throw more than the MLE at him if he doesn't end up staying in LA.

[James40]

Because those players could be enough to win it. We resign Harris and Butler. Get redick on a cheap contract. Get a replacement for him in the starting lineup and two bench pieces.

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I agree, but get kinda confused as to the expected construction of our team next year.

I don’t think Ben playing 30+ minutes of point guard, without a jumpshot, is a good idea. I mentioned before, until he has more of a perimeter game, he is such a liability at times that he is better off at the four in many matchups.

Are we assuming next year that Ben is starting point guard and Jimmy is the backup? If so, then I grab a Bullock/Ross type and a Dedmon type to replace Boban. And a backup point guard other than T.J. for times when Ben or Jimmy are out. Does Shake have PG experience?

However, if they would rather invest in an experienced point guard who can shoot, it may be more beneficial. I’m sure Ben will start every game at point guard, but could a point guard signing fill a bigger need, since we will have JJ, Shake, and Zhaire all fighting for minutes at the two?

If we don’t need an actual guy to run the offense in our rotation because Simmons and Butler are going to do that for the majority of every game, then get the best shooter to compete for a starting job.

However, do we think Elton and Brett go into next season comfortable with Simmons and Butler coving 48 minutes at point guard?

If it works in the playoffs, then I assume it’s the likely outcome. I just question if they want to go into the season with a guy who struggles on the perimeter and a guy with limited point guard experience as their primary options at the spot. And T.J. isn’t a guy I really want in our playoff rotation, so he can operate in emergency minutes, but I am not comfortable with him have a significant role.

Is Elton thinking something along the lines of:
Simmons/Butler/Low resource free agent
Free agent/JJ/Zhaire/Shake
Butler/Ennis
Tobias/Scott/Bolden
Embiid/Low resource free agent

I know he’s short but what are you thoughts on Rozier as a backup PG? He should be cheap and he definitely helped Boston last year in the playoffs. That team was a disaster this year with the team chemistry in shambles.

Most importantly, he’ll want to kick Boston’s ass every time the Sixers play them.

[the_process]

Because those players could be enough to win it. We resign Harris and Butler. Get redick on a cheap contract. Get a replacement for him in the starting lineup and two bench pieces.

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I agree, but get kinda confused as to the expected construction of our team next year.

I don’t think Ben playing 30+ minutes of point guard, without a jumpshot, is a good idea. I mentioned before, until he has more of a perimeter game, he is such a liability at times that he is better off at the four in many matchups.

Are we assuming next year that Ben is starting point guard and Jimmy is the backup? If so, then I grab a Bullock/Ross type and a Dedmon type to replace Boban. And a backup point guard other than T.J. for times when Ben or Jimmy are out. Does Shake have PG experience?

However, if they would rather invest in an experienced point guard who can shoot, it may be more beneficial. I’m sure Ben will start every game at point guard, but could a point guard signing fill a bigger need, since we will have JJ, Shake, and Zhaire all fighting for minutes at the two?

If we don’t need an actual guy to run the offense in our rotation because Simmons and Butler are going to do that for the majority of every game, then get the best shooter to compete for a starting job.

However, do we think Elton and Brett go into next season comfortable with Simmons and Butler coving 48 minutes at point guard?

If it works in the playoffs, then I assume it’s the likely outcome. I just question if they want to go into the season with a guy who struggles on the perimeter and a guy with limited point guard experience as their primary options at the spot. And T.J. isn’t a guy I really want in our playoff rotation, so he can operate in emergency minutes, but I am not comfortable with him have a significant role.

Is Elton thinking something along the lines of:
Simmons/Butler/Low resource free agent
Free agent/JJ/Zhaire/Shake
Butler/Ennis
Tobias/Scott/Bolden
Embiid/Low resource free agent

I know he’s short but what are you thoughts on Rozier as a backup PG? He should be cheap and he definitely helped Boston last year in the playoffs. That team was a disaster this year with the team chemistry in shambles.

Most importantly, he’ll want to kick Boston’s ass every time the Sixers play them.

Rozier wants to get paid. And so many teams have cap that some will strike out and still have money burning a hole in their pockets. He's not coming cheaply.