Around the NBA, 2018-19 Season thread

Prokorov · Post #521 » by **Prokorov** » Wed May 8, 2019 1:27 pm

Papi_swav wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Toronto took Philadelphia outside and **** ed them in the street tonight.

Sean Marks is insane if he doesn't add some additional size to this roster in July. You cannot win in a conference with TOR, MIL, PHI playing 6'7 guys versus 7 footers. We need bulk to go along with our shooters and north south drivers.

Definitely, those 3 teams have big men that will walk right thru ours. We have to find guys that can make it tough for Giannis, Siakam and Embiid/Simmons , easier said than done.

Jarrett allen is this teams center. he will remain it and his backups will likely be jarrett allen types.

the nets are patient, they will wait for him to grow and gain strength. as they should

SpeedyG · Post #522 » by **SpeedyG** » Wed May 8, 2019 1:31 pm

Prokorov wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:Siakam thrives off the defensive coverage/attention that Kawhi gets. Not saying that he isn't a good player, he's easily the Raps' 2nd best player imo, but if he wasn't playing next to a top 3-5 player, it would be a lot more difficult for him.

he also benefits from being surrounded by 4 elite shooters (lowry, kawhi, green, gasol is as good as it gets for a 4 man lineup).

And does Spencer/russell/Caris not benefit from our spread offense where they can basically go ISO with no/little rim protection because the defense is so spaced out?

Yes Siakam benefits from attention, but he's also made a ton of tough shots against good defenders (both Orlando and Sixers have length and athleticism) because he can create in ISO and finish because of his length and athleticism.

This double standard needs to end. If Siakam was a Net we would be talking him up.

On one hand Nets fans argue that Kawhi will leave Toronto because he doesn't have a good enough cast, and on the other Siakam is only good because he has all these players like Lowry/Green/Gasol taking attention off him.

Well, which is it?

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Prokorov · Post #523 » by **Prokorov** » Wed May 8, 2019 2:14 pm

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And does Spencer/russell/Caris not benefit from our spread offense where they can basically go ISO with no/little rim protection because the defense is so spaced out?[/quote]

No. Allen isnt a floor spacer the way gasol is. and often levert is on the floor with harris on the bench.

Yes Siakam benefits from attention, but he's also made a ton of tough shots against good defenders (both Orlando and Sixers have length and athleticism) because he can create in ISO and finish because of his length and athleticism.

easy to do when kawhi is dropping 30 and 40 and facing triple teams.

This double standard needs to end. If Siakam was a Net we would be talking him up.

yes, like we talk up levert... but levert isnt the #1 guy on a top seeded team either, nor is likely ever to be that

On one hand Nets fans argue that Kawhi will leave Toronto because he doesn't have a good enough cast, and on the other Siakam is only good because he has all these players like Lowry/Green/Gasol taking attention off him.

Well, which is it?

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its both.... Gasol is up there in age, so is lowry who also has 1 year left after this. who knows how old ibaka is. green is a free agent this offseason. nets are all 20-26 years old and locked up long term.

siakimh as an elite cast around him, including an MVP-type in Kawhi.

He is literally surround by an All-nba player, an all-star, a top 3 3-point shooter, and a DPOTY

MrDollarBills · Post #524 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed May 8, 2019 3:55 pm

SpeedyG wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:Siakam thrives off the defensive coverage/attention that Kawhi gets. Not saying that he isn't a good player, he's easily the Raps' 2nd best player imo, but if he wasn't playing next to a top 3-5 player, it would be a lot more difficult for him.

he also benefits from being surrounded by 4 elite shooters (lowry, kawhi, green, gasol is as good as it gets for a 4 man lineup).

And does Spencer/russell/Caris not benefit from our spread offense where they can basically go ISO with no/little rim protection because the defense is so spaced out?

Yes Siakam benefits from attention, but he's also made a ton of tough shots against good defenders (both Orlando and Sixers have length and athleticism) because he can create in ISO and finish because of his length and athleticism.

This double standard needs to end. If Siakam was a Net we would be talking him up.

On one hand Nets fans argue that Kawhi will leave Toronto because he doesn't have a good enough cast, and on the other Siakam is only good because he has all these players like Lowry/Green/Gasol taking attention off him.

Well, which is it?

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Siakam would be the starting PF on the Nets. I don't think there's any debate about that.

How good would he be? Interesting question.

My issue was stemming from the GB where people said you could swap Siakam for Russell and the Nets still make the playoffs. I don't necessarily agree with that. Siakam plays with all star level players that take a lot of pressure away from him.

Prokorov · Post #525 » by **Prokorov** » Wed May 8, 2019 9:25 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
he also benefits from being surrounded by 4 elite shooters (lowry, kawhi, green, gasol is as good as it gets for a 4 man lineup).

And does Spencer/russell/Caris not benefit from our spread offense where they can basically go ISO with no/little rim protection because the defense is so spaced out?

Yes Siakam benefits from attention, but he's also made a ton of tough shots against good defenders (both Orlando and Sixers have length and athleticism) because he can create in ISO and finish because of his length and athleticism.

This double standard needs to end. If Siakam was a Net we would be talking him up.

On one hand Nets fans argue that Kawhi will leave Toronto because he doesn't have a good enough cast, and on the other Siakam is only good because he has all these players like Lowry/Green/Gasol taking attention off him.

Well, which is it?

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Siakam would be the starting PF on the Nets. I don't think there's any debate about that.

How good would he be? Interesting question.

My issue was stemming from the GB where people said you could swap Siakam for Russell and the Nets still make the playoffs. I don't necessarily agree with that. Siakam plays with all star level players that take a lot of pressure away from him.

you cant just throw a 2nd or 3rd option player on another team as a #1 option and have nothing change...

its also alot different being your teams best player for 82 games vs. playing well the 12 or 15 games kawhi sits out.

its even more different doing it in a major market with scrutiny and expectations.

im not sure siakim is going to be the nets #1 options for 82 games with the expectation of leading us to the playoffs and have his efficiency stay the same and have the success russell had. it would be extremely unlikely.

SpeedyG · Post #526 » by **SpeedyG** » Thu May 9, 2019 2:00 am

I know we all enjoy Boston's misery, but this Boston team despite missing/resting players vs us gave our team fits and they are absolutely getting steamrolled by Giannis and the Bucks.

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Papi_swav · Post #527 » by **Papi_swav** » Thu May 9, 2019 2:47 am

Bucks spanked Sucktics lol get them losers out of here and Kyrie is leaving , even better.

vincecarter4pres · Post #528 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Thu May 9, 2019 10:34 am

I find it deliciously ironic some of the quotes coming from guys like Jaylen Rose and Terry Rozier about Kyrie Irving.

MrDollarBills · Post #529 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu May 9, 2019 11:26 am

SpeedyG wrote:I know we all enjoy Boston's misery, but this Boston team despite missing/resting players vs us gave our team fits and they are absolutely getting steamrolled by Giannis and the Bucks.

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Our team is way ahead of schedule and is still building. Boston was supposed to be a finished product. There's no reason to even go this route.

SpeedyG · Post #530 » by **SpeedyG** » Thu May 9, 2019 11:33 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:I know we all enjoy Boston's misery, but this Boston team despite missing/resting players vs us gave our team fits and they are absolutely getting steamrolled by Giannis and the Bucks.

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Our team is way ahead of schedule and is still building. Boston was supposed to be a finished product. There's no reason to even go this route.

That's what I mean...it was a really nice season...but watching Bucks Raptors and even Philly in our series...you can see how much farther we have to go.

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Post #531 » by **Rich Rane** » Thu May 9, 2019 1:13 pm

SpeedyG wrote:I know we all enjoy Boston's misery,

Is it bad I wanted to stop reading anything after this? :lol:

MrDollarBills · Post #532 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu May 9, 2019 1:19 pm

Rich Rane wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:I know we all enjoy Boston's misery,

Is it bad I wanted to stop reading anything after this?

Their fanbase laughed at us for the last several years. I am enjoying every minute of this.

Prokorov · Post #533 » by **Prokorov** » Fri May 10, 2019 11:56 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
Rich Rane wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:I know we all enjoy Boston's misery,

Is it bad I wanted to stop reading anything after this?

Their fanbase laughed at us for the last several years. I am enjoying every minute of this.

not to mention rooting/cheering injury when we had them so they could get a better pick

MrDollarBills · Post #534 » by **MrDollarBills** » Fri May 10, 2019 12:55 pm

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gigantes · Post #535 » by **gigantes** » Mon May 13, 2019 2:16 am

Holy hell. I've never seen a team with that much talent look so utterly dumbfounded about what it was trying to accomplish, possession by possession.

Maybe Barkley's Suns way back when... I don't know.

If that's not a glaring counter-example of the idea of "just keep adding talent and it will all work itself out," I'm not sure what is. oO

shakendfries · Post #536 » by **shakendfries** » Mon May 13, 2019 9:37 pm

Steph Curry has been bussin every PG of the Western Conference ass for years (Harden, CP, Westbrook included) and will likely smoke Lillard and the Blazers without KD. This championship will likely cement his legacy as the greatest PG of all time.

gigantes · Post #537 » by **gigantes** » Wed May 15, 2019 3:16 am

Hmm, this is an interesting development with the Pels.

You have to think AD being offered a serious influx of help and also being in a position to help mentor the new guy is a real temptation to stay. Can't hurt that the new GM gets to say 'that was then, this is now' about past stuff. Also can't hurt that LA continues to look like a pretty sizable sh-tshow, and Boston continues to underwhelm.

I think it would make a nice feel-good story, anyway, and it's always nice to see a smaller market team defy the odds a bit.

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Also, how cool is that the Knicks bummed their way to the worst record in the league, then wound up missing the two sure-shot talents of the draft?

kamaze · Post #538 » by **kamaze** » Wed May 15, 2019 4:41 pm

gigantes wrote:Hmm, this is an interesting development with the Pels.

You have to think AD being offered a serious influx of help and also being in a position to help mentor the new guy is a real temptation to stay. Can't hurt that the new GM gets to say 'that was then, this is now' about past stuff. Also can't hurt that LA continues to look like a pretty sizable sh-tshow, and Boston continues to underwhelm.

I think it would make a nice feel-good story, anyway, and it's always nice to see a smaller market team defy the odds a bit.

.

Also, how cool is that the Knicks bummed their way to the worst record in the league, then wound up missing the two sure-shot talents of the draft?

He wants out of New Orleans a rookie won't change his mind.

gigantes · Post #539 » by **gigantes** » Wed May 15, 2019 5:36 pm

kamaze wrote:
gigantes wrote:Hmm, this is an interesting development with the Pels.

You have to think AD being offered a serious influx of help and also being in a position to help mentor the new guy is a real temptation to stay. Can't hurt that the new GM gets to say 'that was then, this is now' about past stuff. Also can't hurt that LA continues to look like a pretty sizable sh-tshow, and Boston continues to underwhelm.

I think it would make a nice feel-good story, anyway, and it's always nice to see a smaller market team defy the odds a bit.

.

Also, how cool is that the Knicks bummed their way to the worst record in the league, then wound up missing the two sure-shot talents of the draft?

He wants out of New Orleans a rookie won't change his mind.

I don't think it's that so much. More like he and his agent backed themselves in to a corner, and no matter how many good things might happen to NO, they'd still want out. Call it "pride," "saving face," and all that business.

Agents aren't too far from unions and lawyers as I see it. I mean, people were routinely being used & abused not so long ago, and it was vital that these folks got involved in order to protect peoples' rights. They were real champions, not too long ago. Unfortunately, these days they're more about how much you can leverage for personal gain, with no real thought to the overall concept of fairness & balance. This agent is the latter IMO.

/mini-rant du jour

MrDollarBills · Post #540 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed May 15, 2019 5:51 pm

gigantes wrote:
kamaze wrote:
gigantes wrote:Hmm, this is an interesting development with the Pels.

You have to think AD being offered a serious influx of help and also being in a position to help mentor the new guy is a real temptation to stay. Can't hurt that the new GM gets to say 'that was then, this is now' about past stuff. Also can't hurt that LA continues to look like a pretty sizable sh-tshow, and Boston continues to underwhelm.

I think it would make a nice feel-good story, anyway, and it's always nice to see a smaller market team defy the odds a bit.

.

Also, how cool is that the Knicks bummed their way to the worst record in the league, then wound up missing the two sure-shot talents of the draft?

He wants out of New Orleans a rookie won't change his mind.

I don't think it's that so much. More like he and his agent backed themselves in to a corner, and no matter how many good things might happen to NO, they'd still want out. Call it "pride," "saving face," and all that business.

Agents aren't too far from unions and lawyers as I see it. I mean, people were routinely being used & abused not so long ago, and it was vital that these folks got involved in order to protect peoples' rights. They were real champions, not too long ago. Unfortunately, these days they're more about how much you can leverage for personal gain, with no real thought to the overall concept of fairness & balance. This agent is the latter IMO.

/mini-rant du jour

The agent is charged with operating in the best interest of his client. Whether or not we agree with how things have played out, fairness and balance have little to with anything here.