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Re: The search for a new coach 

Post#21 » by Jedzz » Thu May 9, 2019 3:15 am

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Neeva wrote:They need to do something.

A coaching change wouldn't make it any more likely Kyrie stays, and Stevens is a coach I'd want for a team that's retooling after a star player departure.


They have three firsts, right? I think they'll be alright. Plenty of options, Kyrie is part of a major logjam anyway. It's not like they have trouble attracting stars if they really end up needing one.
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Re: The search for a new coach 

Post#22 » by KGdaBom » Thu May 9, 2019 3:23 am

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KGdaBom wrote:Dwayne CASEY WAS FIRED for winning Coach of the Year. Strange things happen.

I suppose we better talk about what we should do after we trade Towns for Dwight Howard then. After all, strange things happen....

I'm confused about your comment. Were you just trying to be rude in respect to my comment or were you trying to make some kind of point that I don't understand, because we sure aren't trading Towns for Howard and what I said was true be it in a sarcastic manner. Casey won coach of the year, but that wasn't good enough for Toronto to keep him.
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Re: The search for a new coach 

Post#23 » by Neeva » Thu May 9, 2019 3:35 am

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Neeva wrote:They need to do something.

A coaching change wouldn't make it any more likely Kyrie stays, and Stevens is a coach I'd want for a team that's retooling after a star player departure.


They have three firsts, right? I think they'll be alright. Plenty of options, Kyrie is part of a major logjam anyway. It's not like they have trouble attracting stars if they really end up needing one.


It’s a weak draft basically all those assets hey had are losing value quick including Brown, Rozier, Tatum etc.
Horrible contract for Hayward basically they aren’t in the great shape everyone thougt they were Last summer.
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Re: The search for a new coach 

Post#24 » by Jedzz » Fri May 10, 2019 2:15 am

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Klomp wrote:A coaching change wouldn't make it any more likely Kyrie stays, and Stevens is a coach I'd want for a team that's retooling after a star player departure.


They have three firsts, right? I think they'll be alright. Plenty of options, Kyrie is part of a major logjam anyway. It's not like they have trouble attracting stars if they really end up needing one.


It’s a weak draft basically all those assets hey had are losing value quick including Brown, Rozier, Tatum etc.
Horrible contract for Hayward basically they aren’t in the great shape everyone thougt they were Last summer.


They are actually an elite team like we all thought in my opinion. They just happened to draw the Bucks in the second round. The bucks are a special collection of talents and attitudes that fit better than Celtics if you ask me. Celts can move some players to achieve a better fit and they have extra picks to also do whatever they need to. Other teams aren't as flip floppy about players' values as we are. Just because Rozier and Tatum have to share time now and we hear their names less for a season doesn't mean anyone in the league feels they are getting worse as players. It's just us, as we aren't forced to hear and see them as much.
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Re: The search for a new coach 

Post#25 » by shangrila » Fri May 10, 2019 10:02 am

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Neeva wrote:
Jedzz wrote:
They have three firsts, right? I think they'll be alright. Plenty of options, Kyrie is part of a major logjam anyway. It's not like they have trouble attracting stars if they really end up needing one.


It’s a weak draft basically all those assets hey had are losing value quick including Brown, Rozier, Tatum etc.
Horrible contract for Hayward basically they aren’t in the great shape everyone thougt they were Last summer.


They are actually an elite team like we all thought in my opinion. They just happened to draw the Bucks in the second round. The bucks are a special collection of talents and attitudes that fit better than Celtics if you ask me. Celts can move some players to achieve a better fit and they have extra picks to also do whatever they need to. Other teams aren't as flip floppy about players' values as we are. Just because Rozier and Tatum have to share time now and we hear their names less for a season doesn't mean anyone in the league feels they are getting worse as players. It's just us, as we aren't forced to hear and see them as much.

I think they're elite on paper but it doesn't translate to the court. They've become a great example of how role and fit can play a big part in a team's success.

I'll give you that Tatum and Brown probably haven't lost any value though. Rozier did however. He looked bad all season, probably a combination of sacrificing minutes, being in a contract year and having higher expectations following last season's playoffs. I'm sure someone will still offer him a big contract (Orlando and Phoenix comes to mind) but he looked like a surefire All Star last year and that can't be said after this season.
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Re: The search for a new coach 

Post#26 » by mplsfonz23 » Fri May 10, 2019 1:20 pm

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Neeva wrote:If stevens becomes available should the wolves jump in?


Oh for sure, but I highly doubt the C's are going to do that.


They need to do something.


Nope! Kyrie is gone, and the ship will right itself. Everybody goes back to the same roles. (Whoever stays)
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Re: The search for a new coach 

Post#27 » by mplsfonz23 » Fri May 10, 2019 1:26 pm

Pretty sure Glen has expressed to Rosas that he is still paying Thibs nice $$$, so lets try to save here. After all, he is a businessman.
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Re: The search for a new coach 

Post#28 » by minimus » Fri May 10, 2019 2:14 pm

mplsfonz23 wrote:Pretty sure Glen has expressed to Rosas that he is still paying Thibs nice $$$, so lets try to save here. After all, he is a businessman.


A businessman knows that some investments can fail, but it is not a reason why you should not invest again. After all, Glen is a businessman
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Re: The search for a new coach 

Post#29 » by Nick K » Fri May 10, 2019 3:24 pm

minimus wrote:
mplsfonz23 wrote:Pretty sure Glen has expressed to Rosas that he is still paying Thibs nice $$$, so lets try to save here. After all, he is a businessman.


A businessman knows that some investments can fail, but it is not a reason why you should not invest again. After all, Glen is a businessman


That's right. Plus, it doesn't hurt so much when you buy something for 75 mil and it's now worth 1 Bill! :)

A several million $ loss doesn't seem so bad.
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Re: The search for a new coach 

Post#30 » by mplsfonz23 » Fri May 10, 2019 3:42 pm

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minimus wrote:
mplsfonz23 wrote:Pretty sure Glen has expressed to Rosas that he is still paying Thibs nice $$$, so lets try to save here. After all, he is a businessman.


A businessman knows that some investments can fail, but it is not a reason why you should not invest again. After all, Glen is a businessman


That's right. Plus, it doesn't hurt so much when you buy something for 75 mil and it's now worth 1 Bill! :)

A several million $ loss doesn't seem so bad.

I get it. But I don't think Glen can let go completely. He can't help himself. I hope I'm wrong.
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Re: The search for a new coach 

Post#31 » by KGdaBom » Fri May 10, 2019 5:06 pm

Because of all the alignment talk, more or less meaning that everybody in the organization needs to be agreeable with everybody else all the time, I do think that the best realistic choice Joerger might not be on the table. I hope they don't take that to extremes and consider him.
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Re: The search for a new coach 

Post#32 » by Klomp » Fri May 10, 2019 5:55 pm

Alignment and being agreeable doesn't mean they agree on everything. Hiring a yes man isn't what we want. But it's how they react when there's a disagreement that's important. Does a coach always have to have his way? If so, that's a problem.
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Re: The search for a new coach 

Post#33 » by KGdaBom » Sat May 11, 2019 2:06 am

Klomp wrote:Alignment and being agreeable doesn't mean they agree on everything. Hiring a yes man isn't what we want. But it's how they react when there's a disagreement that's important. Does a coach always have to have his way? If so, that's a problem.

So where do we think Joerger falls in that continuum?
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Re: The search for a new coach 

Post#34 » by Klomp » Sat May 11, 2019 4:15 am

KGdaBom wrote:
Klomp wrote:Alignment and being agreeable doesn't mean they agree on everything. Hiring a yes man isn't what we want. But it's how they react when there's a disagreement that's important. Does a coach always have to have his way? If so, that's a problem.

So where do we think Joerger falls in that continuum?

I know Minnesotans want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but there has been tension with Joerger and the front office at two stops already. Doesn't sound like alignment to me. Just reading a little bit about both situations, it does reek a little bit of the drama we just went through.
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Re: The search for a new coach 

Post#35 » by theGreatRC » Sat May 11, 2019 4:37 am

I'd rather keep Ryan tbh...low key hope we do. I think he has what it takes
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Re: The search for a new coach 

Post#36 » by minimus » Sat May 11, 2019 5:42 am

Read on Twitter
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Re: The search for a new coach 

Post#37 » by KGdaBom » Sat May 11, 2019 5:53 am

minimus wrote:
Read on Twitter
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No decision SHOULD be made until Rosas has interviewed other qualified candidates IMO.
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Re: The search for a new coach 

Post#38 » by KGdaBom » Sat May 11, 2019 5:56 am

Klomp wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
Klomp wrote:Alignment and being agreeable doesn't mean they agree on everything. Hiring a yes man isn't what we want. But it's how they react when there's a disagreement that's important. Does a coach always have to have his way? If so, that's a problem.

So where do we think Joerger falls in that continuum?

I know Minnesotans want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but there has been tension with Joerger and the front office at two stops already. Doesn't sound like alignment to me. Just reading a little bit about both situations, it does reek a little bit of the drama we just went through.

Some of the best coaches ever created a lot of tension. Billy Martin in baseball for one. Him and Steinbrenner would go at it. Steinbrenner would fire him. Later Steinbrenner would come to his senses and Hire Billy back and the Yankees would win another WS.
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The search for a new coach 

Post#39 » by minimus » Sat May 11, 2019 5:56 am

KGdaBom wrote:
minimus wrote:
Read on Twitter

No decision SHOULD be made until Rosas has interviewed other qualified candidates IMO.


Do you marry a girl only when you "interviewed" all other qualified girls or when you find the only one you need?
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Re: The search for a new coach 

Post#40 » by KGdaBom » Sat May 11, 2019 5:56 am

theGreatRC wrote:I'd rather keep Ryan tbh...low key hope we do. I think he has what it takes

I really don't think that he does.

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