Brett Brown : Not Today!

[the_process]

Philly wins this series if Embiid is healthy.

Is it Brown's fault that Embiid crappy food that makes Embiid get diarrhea?

Get some ******* Imodium, for Christ's sake.

[phifans]

Year 1: ROY
Year 2: All star

...I'd say he's on a pretty good track so far. Ben becoming a willing and able shooter is on him, not any coach.

Ben has not developed much All star or not. Just accept it .

It's his his second year... What did you expect?

I know we all wanted him to magically gain a jump shot, but I'd say he made some pretty clear improvements in other areas, specifically the post.

He has been living in the post during his day in NCAA I'm not that sure he actually improved his post game or its just he played more in the post this season.

But let's put it aside , didn't u feel any hilarious that we are talking about Ben Simmons —— our starting point guard —— who can not hit a jumper outside of 5 feets , but he has made improvements in post game ?

That's why I said we need a new leader who has a clue what he needs to do to make this team better.

[youngcrev]

Ben has not developed much All star or not. Just accept it .

It's his his second year... What did you expect?

I know we all wanted him to magically gain a jump shot, but I'd say he made some pretty clear improvements in other areas, specifically the post.

He has been living in the post during his day in NCAA I'm not that sure he actually improved his post game or its just he played more in the post this season.

But let's put it aside , didn't u feel any hilarious that we are talking about Ben Simmons —— our starting point guard —— who can not hit a jumper outside of 5 feets , but he has made improvements in post game ?

That's why I said we need a new leader who has a clue what he needs to do to make this team better.

He needs to be able to shoot the ball. It's disappointing that he has shown no willingness to try in games. No argument there.

But who cares what position he gets labeled as? He's a 6'10" athlete. Improving in the post is an important development, particularly if he's not going to shoot the ball.

Edit:. Statistically he went from 1.6 possessions at .69 PPP to 3.4 possessions at .8 PPP this season, so it was a pretty significant change

[GrindCityHustle]

The Sixers played a better team game and got a bad break on 3 possessions. The game could have gone either way with Leonard forcing up bad shots because he knew his team was going ghost In a game 7. That is going to haunt them in the Milwaukee series.


So no Brown isn't the problem. Your going up against a finals mvp.who once schooled LeBron James and you think he is going be shaken by 22 year old blue chips?

[youngcrev]

I've been somewhat on the fence with Brett and have mainly come to his defense when I think people are being unfair with their criticisms (at least in my opinion), but I'll be extremely bummed if they decide to let him go after this run.

[phifans]

It's his his second year... What did you expect?

I know we all wanted him to magically gain a jump shot, but I'd say he made some pretty clear improvements in other areas, specifically the post.

He has been living in the post during his day in NCAA I'm not that sure he actually improved his post game or its just he played more in the post this season.

But let's put it aside , didn't u feel any hilarious that we are talking about Ben Simmons —— our starting point guard —— who can not hit a jumper outside of 5 feets , but he has made improvements in post game ?

That's why I said we need a new leader who has a clue what he needs to do to make this team better.

He needs to be able to shoot the ball. It's disappointing that he has shown no willingness to try in games. No argument there.

But who cares what position he gets labeled as? He's a 6'10" athlete. Improving in the post is an important development, particularly if he's not going to shoot the ball.

Edit:. Statistically he went from 1.6 possessions at .69 PPP to 3.4 possessions at .8 PPP this season, so it was a pretty significant change

Because since Ben is labeled as a starting point guard as Brett Brown's wish. We have been played for entirely two years without a true starting Point guard who can start the offense off the dribble in half way game like almost all of the other 29 teams do.

Because our biggest weapon is a 7-foot dominated power center who is almost unstoppable under the rim but you want your labeled "starting point guard" to play post game (because he is quite useless outside the paint) and let that dominate center shoot the ball outside the paint.

Just accept it. He made a mistake at the beginning and all he has been done is making it worse and worse ...

[TinmanZBoy]

i really hope you guys keep coach Brown... he is a great coach, there is not much a coach can control in a game...
the Raptors is a pretty good team and this series could have gone either way, If joel were healthy the whole series, you guys probably have had won...
DO NOT FIRE coach Brown..

[youngcrev]

He has been living in the post during his day in NCAA I'm not that sure he actually improved his post game or its just he played more in the post this season.

But let's put it aside , didn't u feel any hilarious that we are talking about Ben Simmons —— our starting point guard —— who can not hit a jumper outside of 5 feets , but he has made improvements in post game ?

That's why I said we need a new leader who has a clue what he needs to do to make this team better.

He needs to be able to shoot the ball. It's disappointing that he has shown no willingness to try in games. No argument there.

But who cares what position he gets labeled as? He's a 6'10" athlete. Improving in the post is an important development, particularly if he's not going to shoot the ball.

Edit:. Statistically he went from 1.6 possessions at .69 PPP to 3.4 possessions at .8 PPP this season, so it was a pretty significant change

Because since Ben is labeled as a starting point guard as Brett Brown's wish. We have been played for entirely two years without a true starting Point guard who can start the offense off the dribble in half way game like almost all of the other 29 teams do.

Because our biggest weapon is a 7-foot dominated power center who is almost unstoppable under the rim but you want your labeled "starting point guard" to play post game (because he is quite useless outside the paint) and let that dominate center shoot the ball outside the paint.

Just accept it. He made a mistake at the beginning and all he has been done is making it worse and worse ...

Do you really think Brett doesn't want Ben to be able to shoot the ball?

Ben is very much a point guard in terms of distributing the rock and pushing the ball in transition. Needing a guard along side of him that can run pick and roll, penetrate and defend opposing 1s has been something they've known all along. Why else do you think they traded up for Markelle?

[GrindCityHustle]

He has been living in the post during his day in NCAA I'm not that sure he actually improved his post game or its just he played more in the post this season.

But let's put it aside , didn't u feel any hilarious that we are talking about Ben Simmons —— our starting point guard —— who can not hit a jumper outside of 5 feets , but he has made improvements in post game ?

That's why I said we need a new leader who has a clue what he needs to do to make this team better.

He needs to be able to shoot the ball. It's disappointing that he has shown no willingness to try in games. No argument there.

But who cares what position he gets labeled as? He's a 6'10" athlete. Improving in the post is an important development, particularly if he's not going to shoot the ball.

Edit:. Statistically he went from 1.6 possessions at .69 PPP to 3.4 possessions at .8 PPP this season, so it was a pretty significant change

Because since Ben is labeled as a starting point guard as Brett Brown's wish. We have been played for entirely two years without a true starting Point guard who can start the offense off the dribble in half way game like almost all of the other 29 teams do.

Because our biggest weapon is a 7-foot dominated power center who is almost unstoppable under the rim but you want your labeled "starting point guard" to play post game (because he is quite useless outside the paint) and let that dominate center shoot the ball outside the paint.

Just accept it. He made a mistake at the beginning and all he has been done is making it worse and worse ...

Cant really slide Simmons to the 2 spot like you could with Penny. Fultz was suppose to play the hybrid combo guard that could shoot to solve that problem but it didn't materlize. I think Brown has made the best of the situation with what he had to work with.

Simmons longterm will probably be the 4 spot. Giannis and LeBron started out at the 1 and it helped them become better players in the half court as a result of it.

[Arsenal]

I'm against firing Brown unless there is a clear and obvious upgrade they'll get that I'm not aware of. I like Jay Wright but I have no idea if he would be an upgrade as an NBA coach. If this was last year and Budenholzer was available I'd pull the trigger to get him. However, I don't see anyone like that available this year.

[phifans]

He needs to be able to shoot the ball. It's disappointing that he has shown no willingness to try in games. No argument there.

But who cares what position he gets labeled as? He's a 6'10" athlete. Improving in the post is an important development, particularly if he's not going to shoot the ball.

Edit:. Statistically he went from 1.6 possessions at .69 PPP to 3.4 possessions at .8 PPP this season, so it was a pretty significant change

Because since Ben is labeled as a starting point guard as Brett Brown's wish. We have been played for entirely two years without a true starting Point guard who can start the offense off the dribble in half way game like almost all of the other 29 teams do.

Because our biggest weapon is a 7-foot dominated power center who is almost unstoppable under the rim but you want your labeled "starting point guard" to play post game (because he is quite useless outside the paint) and let that dominate center shoot the ball outside the paint.

Just accept it. He made a mistake at the beginning and all he has been done is making it worse and worse ...

Do you really think Brett doesn't want Ben to be able to shoot the ball?

Ben is very much a point guard in terms of distributing the rock and pushing the ball in transition. Needing a guard along side of him that can run pick and roll, penetrate and defend opposing 1s has been something they've known all along. Why else do you think they traded up for Markelle?

Markelle is BC's guy and Ben hasn't even played one game when Markelle has been picked. I don't think team pick M because they thought he is a good pair to Ben. Everyone knows Markelle is a ball dominated guard. I bet BC has no idea BB wanted Ben to be a full-time Point Guard at that time. Another evidence is team signing JJ Redick later that summer. How could you play all three guys together while making Ben as a full time PG ?

And for your first question no Brett of course want Ben to be able to shoot the ball. The problem is He's fine that his wish of Ben Simmons being able to shoot the ball has been totally ignored for TWO YEARS and When he finds he has to face that problem he decided not to solve it by forcing Ben to shoot the damn ball but A. He tried to hide Ben's weakness by playing him more into the post at the compensation of Biid's game and caused some new problem. B. He (and the FO) never think of bring in a new PG here to end our unbalanced construction of players.

To decide BB's future based on one series is quite shortsighted and I agree he's nowhere near the top reasons why we lose. But there is a much bigger reason why he should not be our headcoach in the future. He has totally messed up Ben's development and I see no evidence he can correct it in the near future which may ruin the whole PROCESS at the end.

[phifans]

He needs to be able to shoot the ball. It's disappointing that he has shown no willingness to try in games. No argument there.

But who cares what position he gets labeled as? He's a 6'10" athlete. Improving in the post is an important development, particularly if he's not going to shoot the ball.

Edit:. Statistically he went from 1.6 possessions at .69 PPP to 3.4 possessions at .8 PPP this season, so it was a pretty significant change

Because since Ben is labeled as a starting point guard as Brett Brown's wish. We have been played for entirely two years without a true starting Point guard who can start the offense off the dribble in half way game like almost all of the other 29 teams do.

Because our biggest weapon is a 7-foot dominated power center who is almost unstoppable under the rim but you want your labeled "starting point guard" to play post game (because he is quite useless outside the paint) and let that dominate center shoot the ball outside the paint.

Just accept it. He made a mistake at the beginning and all he has been done is making it worse and worse ...

Cant really slide Simmons to the 2 spot like you could with Penny. Fultz was suppose to play the hybrid combo guard that could shoot to solve that problem but it didn't materlize. I think Brown has made the best of the situation with what he had to work with.

Simmons longterm will probably be the 4 spot. Giannis and LeBron started out at the 1 and it helped them become better players in the half court as a result of it.

Yes he does. Even though I believe he would have a higher ceiling if he could develop a jumper off the dribble as a PG.

Basically , allowing Ben to play his game without a jumper for two damn years is just ridiculous and unresponsible as his head coach. Do they actually believe Ben can be a Hall of Famer without a jumper for his entirly career ? If not then why they wasted two of his young years to not at least try to improve it a little bit ?

[PhillyPhilly]

Well, we're gonna see if the GM and owner have enough guts to stick to their convictions.

In the regular season we saw this exact thing against Atlanta twice and Chicago didn't we? Failing to get buckets possession after possession down the stretch and then lose to a late one. And as good as Kawhi is, Brett had no answer for him at all and our offense, THAT HAD FIVE PLAYERS STARTING WHO AVERAGED 17 PPG, put up a hundred points TWICE in seven games...TWICE. We basically just lost to Kawhi and a bunch of guys. And folks are begging for Brett to come back?

In these playoffs he had the talent advantage and also went up against two coaches who have been head coaches in the league for less years combined than Brett has been head coach In Philly, and all of a sudden he deserves praise for losing in the second round again?

You reap what you sow at the end of the day. He's allowed Ben to be a none shooter and continue to "develop" a shot with his wrong hand and a terrible form, he's allowed Joel to not take care of his weight, He played games with Bolden all season which hampered his progress so he couldn't be a bench option etc etc.

I really don't care how anyone wants to dress it up. The task was to get further than last season, and the fact is we haven't. Mark Jackson was a winning coach at Golden State and helped develop the monster they would become. But the front office could see that they needed someone different in order to take that next step and they pulled the trigger. I think we are at that point with Brett now. We need someone who is gonna hold Ben and Joel accountable, not be their "buddies".

[Sixerscan]

Because since Ben is labeled as a starting point guard as Brett Brown's wish. We have been played for entirely two years without a true starting Point guard who can start the offense off the dribble in half way game like almost all of the other 29 teams do.

Because our biggest weapon is a 7-foot dominated power center who is almost unstoppable under the rim but you want your labeled "starting point guard" to play post game (because he is quite useless outside the paint) and let that dominate center shoot the ball outside the paint.

Just accept it. He made a mistake at the beginning and all he has been done is making it worse and worse ...

Cant really slide Simmons to the 2 spot like you could with Penny. Fultz was suppose to play the hybrid combo guard that could shoot to solve that problem but it didn't materlize. I think Brown has made the best of the situation with what he had to work with.

Simmons longterm will probably be the 4 spot. Giannis and LeBron started out at the 1 and it helped them become better players in the half court as a result of it.

Yes he does. Even though I believe he would have a higher ceiling if he could develop a jumper off the dribble as a PG.

Basically , allowing Ben to play his game without a jumper for two damn years is just ridiculous and unresponsible as his head coach. Do they actually believe Ben can be a Hall of Famer without a jumper for his entirly career ? If not then why they wasted two of his young years to not at least try to improve it a little bit ?

So what, Brown is supposed to bench the guy until he has a jumper? Take away his sports cars? Brett says he needs to get a jumper all the time, but until he does that he's gotta play one of his best players in the meantime. Some stuff is on the player.

[James40]

Unless someone is totally against playing Embiid on the perimeter, or blames Brett for Simmons not improving his shot, then I can’t see how you would want him fired.

They missed a ton of shots tonight, and did a piss poor job of boxing out. None of that is on BB.

[youngcrev]

Because since Ben is labeled as a starting point guard as Brett Brown's wish. We have been played for entirely two years without a true starting Point guard who can start the offense off the dribble in half way game like almost all of the other 29 teams do.

Because our biggest weapon is a 7-foot dominated power center who is almost unstoppable under the rim but you want your labeled "starting point guard" to play post game (because he is quite useless outside the paint) and let that dominate center shoot the ball outside the paint.

Just accept it. He made a mistake at the beginning and all he has been done is making it worse and worse ...

Do you really think Brett doesn't want Ben to be able to shoot the ball?

Ben is very much a point guard in terms of distributing the rock and pushing the ball in transition. Needing a guard along side of him that can run pick and roll, penetrate and defend opposing 1s has been something they've known all along. Why else do you think they traded up for Markelle?

Markelle is BC's guy and Ben hasn't even played one game when Markelle has been picked. I don't think team pick M because they thought he is a good pair to Ben. Everyone knows Markelle is a ball dominated guard. I bet BC has no idea BB wanted Ben to be a full-time Point Guard at that time. Another evidence is team signing JJ Redick later that summer. How could you play all three guys together while making Ben as a full time PG ?

And for your first question no Brett of course want Ben to be able to shoot the ball. The problem is He's fine that his wish of Ben Simmons being able to shoot the ball has been totally ignored for TWO YEARS and When he finds he has to face that problem he decided not to solve it by forcing Ben to shoot the damn ball but A. He tried to hide Ben's weakness by playing him more into the post at the compensation of Biid's game and caused some new problem. B. He (and the FO) never think of bring in a new PG here to end our unbalanced construction of players.

To decide BB's future based on one series is quite shortsighted and I agree he's nowhere near the top reasons why we lose. But there is a much bigger reason why he should not be our headcoach in the future. He has totally messed up Ben's development and I see no evidence he can correct it in the near future which may ruin the whole PROCESS at the end.

What's he supposed to do? Attach a shock collar to his neck and zap him everytime he decides not to shoot it? Ben developing a jump shot is on Ben. Head coaches don't do skill work on the side.

And in what world is TWO YEARS a long time in terms of skill development?

[phifans]

What's he supposed to do? Attach a shock collar to his neck and zap him everytime he decides not to shoot it? Ben developing a jump shot is on Ben. Head coaches don't do skill work on the side.

And in what world is TWO YEARS a long time in terms of skill development?

So what, Brown is supposed to bench the guy until he has a jumper? Take away his sports cars? Brett says he needs to get a jumper all the time, but until he does that he's gotta play one of his best players in the meantime. Some stuff is on the player.

Asking Ben to take jumper when he's open in the game. Asking Ben to take extra practice on his shoot. Tell FO to find a real PG to take the ball out of Ben's hand except in transition and make him a blue chip guy like what he has been in this series until he is willing to improve his jumper.

[TheBallsDeeper]

Wrote this on the General board and copy paste into this thread also;

Having a game plan that has potentially the most dominant low post player since Shaq standing out past the three point line for the whole last quarter in game seven of a series, when the team is struggling to score, in itself should get him sacked, and that may be the final straw, however there are much bigger issues that point to him not being the right man for the job.

Three years in Ben Simmons is still shooting with the wrong hand, while also getting sucked into the "Young Prince" Hollywood Lebron crap. Embiid is eating hamburgers before the game, eats four burgers and four shakes on the plane to away games, and is out at clubs the night before playoff games.

Brett Brown seems like a great bloke who is everybody's friend, but he has failed to enforce a professional culture at the club. The tail is wagging the dog, the players might like him, but they are immature and lack the discipline to succeed.

Brown needs to go, and someone who is a coach that commands respect rather than be a friend needs to take over.

[tsmith]

Wrote this on the General board and copy paste into this thread also;

Having a game plan that has potentially the most dominant low post player since Shaq standing out past the three point line for the whole last quarter in game seven of a series, when the team is struggling to score, in itself should get him sacked, and that may be the final straw, however there are much bigger issues that point to him not being the right man for the job.

This is a terrible take, take out game 3 and I could count the number of times Embiid scored on Gasol in the low post on one hand. Not the best offensive option this series and anybody with eyes could see that.

[BullyKing]

As I've said before, unless Pop, Riley or Kerr* suddenly has a burning desire to coach the Sixers, you're always going to be choosing between an X and O guy or a motivational guy. With that choice, I always lean towards the guy who can motivate his players. I think of the two coaches that have won a title for Philadelphia during my lifetime (that I was old enough to remember). I hated the hirings of both Charlie Manuel and Doug Pederson. I thought both guys were dumb hicks, I admit it. The one thing both of these guys had in common is that their players would absolutely run through a wall for them. They fought for their players and their players, in turn, fought for them. Whereas supposed playcalling geniuses like Chip Kelly turned out not to be, I think the ability to motivate and lead to be a much more consistent positive attribute.

* represents the unknown college guys as its difficult to know how they would ultimately do.