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Re: Brett Brown : End of Days? 

Post#181 » by Bum Adebayo » Mon May 13, 2019 11:40 am

TheBallsDeeper wrote:Wrote this on the General board and copy paste into this thread also;

Having a game plan that has potentially the most dominant low post player since Shaq standing out past the three point line for the whole last quarter in game seven of a series, when the team is struggling to score, in itself should get him sacked, and that may be the final straw, however there are much bigger issues that point to him not being the right man for the job.

Three years in Ben Simmons is still shooting with the wrong hand, while also getting sucked into the "Young Prince" Hollywood Lebron crap. Embiid is eating hamburgers before the game, eats four burgers and four shakes on the plane to away games, and is out at clubs the night before playoff games.

Brett Brown seems like a great bloke who is everybody's friend, but he has failed to enforce a professional culture at the club. The tail is wagging the dog, the players might like him, but they are immature and lack the discipline to succeed.

Brown needs to go, and someone who is a coach that commands respect rather than be a friend needs to take over.


Post play? dude, this is 2019, it has to be either 3pt shot or layup, the path for success is moreyball all the way, post play is inefficient. Embiid camping at 3pt line is the best outcome if you ran the numbers.
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Re: Brett Brown : End of Days? 

Post#182 » by tsmith » Mon May 13, 2019 11:45 am

BullyKing wrote:As I've said before, unless Pop, Riley or Kerr* suddenly has a burning desire to coach the Sixers, you're always going to be choosing between an X and O guy or a motivational guy. With that choice, I always lean towards the guy who can motivate his players. I think of the two coaches that have won a title for Philadelphia during my lifetime (that I was old enough to remember). I hated the hirings of both Charlie Manuel and Doug Pederson. I thought both guys were dumb hicks, I admit it. The one thing both of these guys had in common is that their players would absolutely run through a wall for them. They fought for their players and their players, in turn, fought for them. Whereas supposed playcalling geniuses like Chip Kelly turned out not to be, I think the ability to motivate and lead to be a much more consistent positive attribute.

* represents the unknown college guys as its difficult to know how they would ultimately do.

When you've got stars I definitely prefer a motivational guy over the X and O dude.
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Re: Brett Brown : End of Days? 

Post#183 » by VDT » Mon May 13, 2019 12:06 pm

Tough loss, the Raptors look very beatable despite all the issues that we had. It's even tougher because i think that we match up well with the Bucks.

Hopefully this loss will motivate them to take their game to the next level during the summer because they were kinda exposed in these playoffs (again).

Imo the roster needs re-balancing because the pieces dont really fit, unfortunately this close loss might be their excuse to run everything back. Brown is way down in the list of Sixers problems.
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Re: Brett Brown : End of Days? 

Post#184 » by hookshot199 » Mon May 13, 2019 12:28 pm

BullyKing wrote:As I've said before, unless Pop, Riley or Kerr* suddenly has a burning desire to coach the Sixers, you're always going to be choosing between an X and O guy or a motivational guy. With that choice, I always lean towards the guy who can motivate his players. I think of the two coaches that have won a title for Philadelphia during my lifetime (that I was old enough to remember). I hated the hirings of both Charlie Manuel and Doug Pederson. I thought both guys were dumb hicks, I admit it. The one thing both of these guys had in common is that their players would absolutely run through a wall for them. They fought for their players and their players, in turn, fought for them. Whereas supposed playcalling geniuses like Chip Kelly turned out not to be, I think the ability to motivate and lead to be a much more consistent positive attribute.

* represents the unknown college guys as its difficult to know how they would ultimately do.



I question your comment about motivation: He played Ennis only 14 minutes and Scott 11. That turned out
to be our entire bench. I can't imagine they were happy last night while we were getting outhustled on the
offensive board - 16 offensive rebounds.

That said, you've presented the problem accurately in my opinion.

So, since Brown failed utterly to develop a bench and to use the bench he had (we need to find out if it was
his call to keep Amir and Bolden on the roster if they're not capable of playing three minutes against an aging
wonder like Ibaka) and since it appears we had no game plan for our offense except to have Embiid play away
from the basket and not once, by my count, establish position in the low post), we need to bring in an offensive
coordinator who will do the X-ing and O-ing in the huddle and Brown will have to listen.

It's done in football. If we want to keep our "motivational" guy, we need to do it.

We also need to come to some sort of resolution about managing Embiid's minutes during the regular season,
what role JJ is going to play in the offense, we need to bring in a guard who can complement Ben and is quick
enough to break down the offense (that was supposed to be Fultz's role) and, it goes without saying, sign a
backup center.

Brown, if he's to remain our coach, needs support. Hopefully Jimmy will buy into that (assuming he's planning
to walk, or worse a coup, because of Brown) and Ben (who rose to the occasion in the two biggest games of his
career) will accept the changes including an expectation that he learns to shoot a short jump shot this summer.

Also, Embiid needs to assume a more traditional center role, more along the lines of Duncan in San Antonio.
Whatever Brown learned as an understudy of Popovich, it surely wasn't the sloppy turnover-riddled basketball
we watched this year. Even last night, a hard-fought and physical game, we turned the ball over 15 times, our
season average. We ranked 27th in the regular season

So, let's find a way to keep him. Our starters played their hearts out last night, partly because of him I believe.

Apropos to the above: To the poster who wants to sign Thibodeau, he will shorten Embiid's career. Just like
Brown, he's about winning meaningless games in the regular season. And with respect to the Warrior's assistant
coach: A great resume. But why would you think he'd have any more success than Luke Walton?

This is not the time to bring in a rookie. If Brown won't accept coaching "support", then I believe we let him
walk and let it be known that his successor, whoever that may be (my preference is to go after Jay Wright),
will be offered the biggest payday of any coach in the business. Start the auction at $10 mil/year. Then
you're in Popovich territory.
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Re: Brett Brown : End of Days? 

Post#185 » by AirP. » Mon May 13, 2019 12:58 pm

hookshot199 wrote:Apropos to the above: To the poster who wants to sign Thibodeau, he will shorten Embiid's career. Just like
Brown, he's about winning meaningless games in the regular season. And with respect to the Warrior's assistant
coach: A great resume. But why would you think he'd have any more success than Luke Walton?

If Philly had won more the regular season and had home-court advantage they'd probably still be playing(home court matters). A little unknown fact to those who only follow narratives, Thibs had tons of no practice days his last full season with the Timberwolves so his guys would be rested(had a long road trip where reporters were mentioning not talking with the team because they just didn't have practices). He actually had all rest days planned out before the season. One of the things people refuse to understand about this "minutes" thing in the NBA, there's way more stress put on the players then just playing in games, individuals personal training and practices that never get mentioned. But since minutes in a game is all there is that has to be easily the only thing that's important.

Luke Walton? Who got to play autopilot while "coaching" the Warriors? Ugh, I don't hold this year against him though, LeBron destroys coaches.

On Embiid's possible "shortened" career, just find a defensive center for the current NBA, if Butler and Harris are back Philly has shown they have enough offense, they need that mobile rim protector, even if he can't do anything else on offense.
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Re: Brett Brown : End of Days? 

Post#186 » by hookshot199 » Mon May 13, 2019 1:16 pm

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hookshot199 wrote:Apropos to the above: To the poster who wants to sign Thibodeau, he will shorten Embiid's career. Just like
Brown, he's about winning meaningless games in the regular season. And with respect to the Warrior's assistant
coach: A great resume. But why would you think he'd have any more success than Luke Walton?

If Philly had won more the regular season and had home-court advantage they'd probably still be playing. A little unknown fact to those who only follow narratives, Thibs had tons of no practice days his last full season with the Timberwolves so his guys would be rested(had a long road trip where reporters were mentioning not talking with the team because they just didn't have practices). He actually had all rest days planned out before the season. One of the things people refuse to understand about this "minutes" thing in the NBA, there's way more stress put on the players then just playing in games, individuals personal training and practices that never get mentioned. But since minutes in a game is all there is that has to be easily the only thing that's important.

Luke Walton? Who got to play autopilot while "coaching" the Warriors? Ugh, I don't hold this year against him though, LeBron destroys coaches.


Please show my your new sources - reports/articles by legitimate writers - and I promise to read them. I'm happy
to be convinced that Thibs isn't an **** and that he wasn't insubordinate on minutes management. As for Jarron
Collins, the Sixers aren't a rebuilding team. They're built to win now. Jarron Collins is an assistant coach of a super-
team. Sorry, if the Sixers are going to replace Brown - and I'm not a pro-Brown person - they'll need to do better than
an untested rookie. That's my opinion.

As for your meaningless games defense, that's bullsh*t with all due respect. The Sixers, had Embiid not missed so
many games and been in shape, would have won two games in Toronto. We're now in "what if" territory. Home court
advantage is always an important issues, but having your star player healthy is more important.
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Re: Brett Brown : End of Days? 

Post#187 » by GWPhilly34 » Mon May 13, 2019 1:22 pm

My two cents on Brett.

He is a great guy, but not the guy that will bring us banners. He will never out coach the opposing team with his game plans. He has awful, almost monotonous rotations that often kill momentum throughout the season. He got away from that last night and it showed with Embiid being at exhaustion.

Our defense, whether it was his fault or Monty's was one of the worst in the league. With one of the longest and most athletic teams that is unacceptable. To be out rebounded like that in a game 7 is so disheartening. He needed to put his foot down when we got blown out and pull Ben or Embiid for their carelessness with the ball and lack of effort. Some needed to light a fire under their butts.

I am not a big Nova fan but I think Jay Wright would be the perfect fit. He is great with in-game adjustments, his team always plays together on defense and he knows how to perform under pressure. Most importantly, in today's game him and Elton in the role of recruiting and hopefully retaining Stars could be lethal.
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Post#188 » by iamworthy » Mon May 13, 2019 1:30 pm

Can someone point me to a post that best explains why bretts job is in jeopardy? Thanks.
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Post#189 » by BullyKing » Mon May 13, 2019 1:41 pm

GWPhilly34 wrote:My two cents on Brett.

He is a great guy, but not the guy that will bring us banners. He will never out coach the opposing team with his game plans. He has awful, almost monotonous rotations that often kill momentum throughout the season. He got away from that last night and it showed with Embiid being at exhaustion.

Our defense, whether it was his fault or Monty's was one of the worst in the league. With one of the longest and most athletic teams that is unacceptable. To be out rebounded like that in a game 7 is so disheartening. He needed to put his foot down when we got blown out and pull Ben or Embiid for their carelessness with the ball and lack of effort. Some needed to light a fire under their butts.

I am not a big Nova fan but I think Jay Wright would be the perfect fit. He is great with in-game adjustments, his team always plays together on defense and he knows how to perform under pressure. Most importantly, in today's game him and Elton in the role of recruiting and hopefully retaining Stars could be lethal.


We were 14th in defensive rating, hardly one of the worst in the league. You alternate between complaining that Brown played Embiid too much and for not benching him. You alternate between complaining that Brown is too tied to his rotations before complaining that last night he got away from those rotations. Really objective stuff.
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Post#190 » by Mik317 » Mon May 13, 2019 1:49 pm

iamworthy wrote:Can someone point me to a post that best explains why bretts job is in jeopardy? Thanks.


The ownership said so. Thats pretty much it. Prior to the playoffs; they said we have to get to atleast the conference finals...and we didn't.

To put a tinfoil hat on it, I think they want more control. Brett being the most tenured guy, no matter what was said, he had a lot of pull. The next coach won't and that empowers others.

To put a realist hat on it (lol), Brett has flaws and they showed their head last night. He did not get Bolden ready for when we needed him last night. His offense is often has too many moving parts so when things are blown up, we don't have enough time to improvise. His system also does not fit any of our players outside of JJ. His rotations also suck ass and while not totally his fault; Monroe should not have played last night. Its a bunch of small things that add up.

And finally to put my own hat on it, I think that if we do run it back, the best chance at improvement might be getting a new voice in.....sometimes a different perspective is what it takes. Joel got better from seeing Hinkie lose his job basically due to him not playing....maybe he will go up another notch from seeing Brett fall on the sword.

But regardless, I don't have much faith in this ownership making the right hire. Haven't exactly done a bang up job at that ever. Hell, even w/ Brett, it took **** forever for him to get hired. They might be the woat job interviewers lol.
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Post#191 » by rzzzzz » Mon May 13, 2019 1:52 pm

iamworthy wrote:Can someone point me to a post that best explains why bretts job is in jeopardy? Thanks.


Lack of execution down the stretch when they had the chance to snatch this game. You can't come out of a timeout and end up with a shot clock violation. And the commentators repeated voicing their befuddlement about our best player, a behemoth force, not getting any touches in the paint. (remember last year how he dominated those two games in a row at Staples?)
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Post#192 » by AirP. » Mon May 13, 2019 1:53 pm

hookshot199 wrote:
AirP. wrote:
hookshot199 wrote:Apropos to the above: To the poster who wants to sign Thibodeau, he will shorten Embiid's career. Just like
Brown, he's about winning meaningless games in the regular season. And with respect to the Warrior's assistant
coach: A great resume. But why would you think he'd have any more success than Luke Walton?

If Philly had won more the regular season and had home-court advantage they'd probably still be playing. A little unknown fact to those who only follow narratives, Thibs had tons of no practice days his last full season with the Timberwolves so his guys would be rested(had a long road trip where reporters were mentioning not talking with the team because they just didn't have practices). He actually had all rest days planned out before the season. One of the things people refuse to understand about this "minutes" thing in the NBA, there's way more stress put on the players then just playing in games, individuals personal training and practices that never get mentioned. But since minutes in a game is all there is that has to be easily the only thing that's important.

Luke Walton? Who got to play autopilot while "coaching" the Warriors? Ugh, I don't hold this year against him though, LeBron destroys coaches.


Please show my your new sources - reports/articles by legitimate writers - and I promise to read them. I'm happy
to be convinced that Thibs isn't an **** and that he wasn't insubordinate on minutes management. As for Jarron
Collins, the Sixers aren't a rebuilding team. They're built to win now. Jarron Collins is an assistant coach of a super-
team. Sorry, if the Sixers are going to replace Brown - and I'm not a pro-Brown person - they'll need to do better than
an untested rookie. That's my opinion.

As for your meaningless games defense, that's bullsh*t with all due respect. The Sixers, had Embiid not missed so
many games and been in shape, would have won two games in Toronto. We're now in "what if" territory. Home court
advantage is always an important issues, but having your star player healthy is more important.


Most of the information were in podcasts from the beat writers, Darrin Wolfson and Jon Krawczynski both have their own separate podcasts, I may go through a few old ones to find some of that information. The planned rest days are because Thibs plans out everything in the offseason, the offense, defense, rotations(based on what should work), rest days but that absolutely was in a podcast (Darrin Wolfsons') but there was also some beat writers tweeting not having the players available on the road because they just weren't practicing as a team and this was a theme all year long.

Also, during the winning last year in Minnesota, Towns had asked for Thibs to be fired, hence Butler talking about some players were more worried about their numbers vs winning. There was drama all over the place including Butler questioning the younger player's effort levels(which he hasn't mentioned at all in Philly).
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Post#193 » by GWPhilly34 » Mon May 13, 2019 1:58 pm

BullyKing wrote:
GWPhilly34 wrote:My two cents on Brett.

He is a great guy, but not the guy that will bring us banners. He will never out coach the opposing team with his game plans. He has awful, almost monotonous rotations that often kill momentum throughout the season. He got away from that last night and it showed with Embiid being at exhaustion.

Our defense, whether it was his fault or Monty's was one of the worst in the league. With one of the longest and most athletic teams that is unacceptable. To be out rebounded like that in a game 7 is so disheartening. He needed to put his foot down when we got blown out and pull Ben or Embiid for their carelessness with the ball and lack of effort. Some needed to light a fire under their butts.

I am not a big Nova fan but I think Jay Wright would be the perfect fit. He is great with in-game adjustments, his team always plays together on defense and he knows how to perform under pressure. Most importantly, in today's game him and Elton in the role of recruiting and hopefully retaining Stars could be lethal.


We were 14th in defensive rating, hardly one of the worst in the league. You alternate between complaining that Brown played Embiid too much and for not benching him. You alternate between complaining that Brown is too tied to his rotations before complaining that last night he got away from those rotations. Really objective stuff.


They allowed 112.5 points per game. You're right that isn't the worst but of the teams in the playoffs (the only teams that matter) only the clippers allowed more points per game.

I was complaining about his rotations throughout the year and when he got away from it, it was too little too late. Thank you for sarcasm. Really good stuff coming from a moderator.
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Post#194 » by BullyKing » Mon May 13, 2019 2:08 pm

GWPhilly34 wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
GWPhilly34 wrote:My two cents on Brett.

He is a great guy, but not the guy that will bring us banners. He will never out coach the opposing team with his game plans. He has awful, almost monotonous rotations that often kill momentum throughout the season. He got away from that last night and it showed with Embiid being at exhaustion.

Our defense, whether it was his fault or Monty's was one of the worst in the league. With one of the longest and most athletic teams that is unacceptable. To be out rebounded like that in a game 7 is so disheartening. He needed to put his foot down when we got blown out and pull Ben or Embiid for their carelessness with the ball and lack of effort. Some needed to light a fire under their butts.

I am not a big Nova fan but I think Jay Wright would be the perfect fit. He is great with in-game adjustments, his team always plays together on defense and he knows how to perform under pressure. Most importantly, in today's game him and Elton in the role of recruiting and hopefully retaining Stars could be lethal.


We were 14th in defensive rating, hardly one of the worst in the league. You alternate between complaining that Brown played Embiid too much and for not benching him. You alternate between complaining that Brown is too tied to his rotations before complaining that last night he got away from those rotations. Really objective stuff.


They allowed 112.5 points per game. You're right that isn't the worst but of the teams in the playoffs (the only teams that matter) only the clippers allowed more points per game.

I was complaining about his rotations throughout the year and when he got away from it, it was too little too late. Thank you for sarcasm. Really good stuff coming from a moderator.


Embiid played 45 minutes and they were plus 10. They lost by 2. Your takeaway from that is the coach is to blame for not switching up his rotations earlier. Was there some rotation switch that could have been made earlier that would have conditioned Embiid to play 48 high energy level minutes?

The more obvious complaint is on the front office for not providing a backup center who could do better than being negative 12 in 3 minutes. Being a mod doesn't mean I'm required to be a cheerleader for nonsense arguments.
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Post#195 » by iamworthy » Mon May 13, 2019 2:08 pm

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Post#196 » by ankle420breaker » Mon May 13, 2019 2:17 pm

Many years have stacked up since I started posting on this board. That shot last night was undoubtedly my most heartbreaking moment as a fan and I know I'm among friends here.

Such a crushing way to end the season.. at the very least I'm glad we went out swinging. Have to tip your hat to Kawhi who sustained a supreme level of greatness for seven consecutive games. High degree of difficulty on almost every shot and that man kept showing up. Someone said earlier we forced Kawhi to be great in order for them to beat us... unfortunately for us, he was.

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Post#197 » by Bum Adebayo » Mon May 13, 2019 2:17 pm

I hear that blaming the coach is the easy route, but the excuse I always hear is lack of bench, rinse and repeat. Embiid was +10 because he is that good and whole team needs him, not because his sub is terrible.
Understandable though, it is easier to blame the bench because it is a weaker link in a team, god forbid if you question the top guys, be stars or coach.
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Post#198 » by GWPhilly34 » Mon May 13, 2019 2:25 pm

BullyKing wrote:
GWPhilly34 wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
We were 14th in defensive rating, hardly one of the worst in the league. You alternate between complaining that Brown played Embiid too much and for not benching him. You alternate between complaining that Brown is too tied to his rotations before complaining that last night he got away from those rotations. Really objective stuff.


They allowed 112.5 points per game. You're right that isn't the worst but of the teams in the playoffs (the only teams that matter) only the clippers allowed more points per game.

I was complaining about his rotations throughout the year and when he got away from it, it was too little too late. Thank you for sarcasm. Really good stuff coming from a moderator.


Embiid played 45 minutes and they were plus 10. They lost by 2. Your takeaway from that is the coach is to blame for not switching up his rotations earlier. Was there some rotation switch that could have been made earlier that would have conditioned Embiid to play 48 high energy level minutes?

The more obvious complaint is on the front office for not providing a backup center who could do better than being negative 12 in 3 minutes. Being a mod doesn't mean I'm required to be a cheerleader for nonsense arguments.


Building minutes throughout the year or even starting at the beginning of the playoffs could have helped build conditioning. It wasn't just embiid that looked lethargic last night at the end. I never said I was happy or unhappy with the front office just that I don't think Brett is the coach to bring a championship. Your opinion is that the backup center was more important and although it was an issue they tried to address with 4-5 different players.

I wasn't asking for a cheerleader I just think a moderator who probably wants people to contribute their thoughts and opinions should maybe not call it a nonsense argument and sarcastically come at another post. I won't post here in the future.
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Post#199 » by theo42 » Mon May 13, 2019 2:30 pm

Brett is coming back, no reason to fire him. It isn't his fault that his best player had vaginitis for a few games in this series. There is no one better out there so let's just move on and improve the roster.
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Post#200 » by hookshot199 » Mon May 13, 2019 2:36 pm

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hookshot199 wrote:
AirP. wrote:If Philly had won more the regular season and had home-court advantage they'd probably still be playing. A little unknown fact to those who only follow narratives, Thibs had tons of no practice days his last full season with the Timberwolves so his guys would be rested(had a long road trip where reporters were mentioning not talking with the team because they just didn't have practices). He actually had all rest days planned out before the season. One of the things people refuse to understand about this "minutes" thing in the NBA, there's way more stress put on the players then just playing in games, individuals personal training and practices that never get mentioned. But since minutes in a game is all there is that has to be easily the only thing that's important.

Luke Walton? Who got to play autopilot while "coaching" the Warriors? Ugh, I don't hold this year against him though, LeBron destroys coaches.


Please show my your new sources - reports/articles by legitimate writers - and I promise to read them. I'm happy
to be convinced that Thibs isn't an **** and that he wasn't insubordinate on minutes management. As for Jarron
Collins, the Sixers aren't a rebuilding team. They're built to win now. Jarron Collins is an assistant coach of a super-
team. Sorry, if the Sixers are going to replace Brown - and I'm not a pro-Brown person - they'll need to do better than
an untested rookie. That's my opinion.

As for your meaningless games defense, that's bullsh*t with all due respect. The Sixers, had Embiid not missed so
many games and been in shape, would have won two games in Toronto. We're now in "what if" territory. Home court
advantage is always an important issues, but having your star player healthy is more important.


Most of the information were in podcasts from the beat writers, Darrin Wolfson and Jon Krawczynski both have their own separate podcasts, I may go through a few old ones to find some of that information. The planned rest days are because Thibs plans out everything in the offseason, the offense, defense, rotations(based on what should work), rest days but that absolutely was in a podcast (Darrin Wolfsons') but there was also some beat writers tweeting not having the players available on the road because they just weren't practicing as a team and this was a theme all year long.



There are too many articles both by mainstream (The Trib) and non-mainstream media reporting
that Tibbs ignored the Bulls' medical team mandates to restrict minutes. I'm not disputing Wolfson's
or Krawczynski's reports or that Bulls' management might have the sort of pull with the media that
the Colangelos did, but you're asking an awful lot to believe two or three guys over everyone else.

Your argument that Thibs was forced by the owner to re-up Wiggins in Minnesota is more believable.

But we have a particular situation with our franchise player's injury history that we shouldn't take
a risk.

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