Who is the 3rd best player in the Bucks-Raptors series?

BoBBo! · Post #1 » by **BoBBo!** » Wed May 15, 2019 3:41 pm

There's no debate that Giannis & Kawhi are the top 2 players in the series (and arguably in the league). After that? It seems wide open who the 3rd best player is... Who do you feel is the best of the rest?

Th3RaptorSwag · Post #2 » by **Th3RaptorSwag** » Wed May 15, 2019 3:41 pm

Middleton/Siakam

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crossroads · Post #3 » by **crossroads** » Wed May 15, 2019 3:55 pm

Still Lowry

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Post #4 » by **Duffman100** » Wed May 15, 2019 4:02 pm

I would say it's between Middleton, Siakam or Lowry.

In these playoffs? Middleton.

Gooner · Post #5 » by **Gooner** » Wed May 15, 2019 4:04 pm

Easily Khris Middleton.

r0drig0lac · Post #6 » by **r0drig0lac** » Wed May 15, 2019 4:12 pm

1- Kawhi/Giannis
3- Kris
4- Bledsoe/Siakam
5- Marc/Ibaka/Brodgon/Brook/Lowry

Post #7 » by **Reeko** » Wed May 15, 2019 4:17 pm

The debate is really between Siakam and Middleton, but ask me who scares me the most after Giannis on that Bucks team and the answer is Brogdon. He is essentially the perfect role player, very smart, makes very few mistakes and seemingly has ice water in his veins.

RealityIsDemar · Post #8 » by **RealityIsDemar** » Wed May 15, 2019 4:19 pm

1. Kawhi
2. Giannis
3. Middleton
4. Siakam
5. Lowry
6. Bledsoe
7. Gasol

ropjhk · Post #9 » by **ropjhk** » Wed May 15, 2019 4:21 pm

Middleton has been lights out from 3. Siakam might outplay him for a couple of games, but it's more likely that Middleton will be the 3rd best player in most games.

It's entirely possible though that Middleton is shut down by the Raptors defense and Lowry and/or Siakam gets hot. In fact that unlikely scenario is really the pathway to victory for the Raptors. I don't expect it, but I don't dismiss it either.

Percentsign · Post #10 » by **Percentsign** » Wed May 15, 2019 4:21 pm

Giannis:

1.8 Win Shares in 283 minutes / .310 WS per 48 / 34.1 USG rate

Leonard:

2.7 Win Shares in 448 minutes / .288 WS per 48 / 34.0 USG rate

Siakam:

1.6 Win Shares in 430 minutes / .184 WS per 48 / 25.3 USG rate

Middleton:

1.2 Win Shares in 295 minutes / .193 WS per 48 / 23.2 USG rate

Gasol:

1.4 Win Shares in 372 minutes / .180 WS per 48 / 11.9 USG rate

pootbrah · Post #11 » by **pootbrah** » Wed May 15, 2019 4:27 pm

Voted Siakim but i dont know im pretty biased towards him being a siakim bandwagoner. Im actually thinking bledsoe tbh

HBK_Kliq_33 · Post #12 » by **HBK_Kliq_33** » Wed May 15, 2019 4:27 pm

think its easily Middleton over Siakam, did you see Siakam in game 7? He looked scared to play basketball and way in over his head. On the even bigger stage I don't trust Siakam. Middleton also does a pretty good job guarding Kawhi based on 1 game earlier this regular season.

HBK_Kliq_33 · Post #13 » by **HBK_Kliq_33** » Wed May 15, 2019 4:31 pm

ropjhk wrote:Middleton has been lights out from 3. Siakam might outplay him for a couple of games, but it's more likely that Middleton will be the 3rd best player in most games.

It's entirely possible though that Middleton is shut down by the Raptors defense and Lowry and/or Siakam gets hot. In fact that unlikely scenario is really the pathway to victory for the Raptors. I don't expect it, but I don't dismiss it either.

Kawhi can shut Middleton down but probably will not focus in on that matchup unless it goes to a game 7. Can Danny Green shut down Middleton? Questionable, I feel like green's defense was shaky in the 2nd round, he let Jimmy Butler do whatever he wanted against him.

everdiso · Post #14 » by **everdiso** » Wed May 15, 2019 4:32 pm

Its actually phenomenal how similarly the two teams are built.

Lowry, Bledsoe, Siakam, Khris all have claims on the #3 spot. Maybe Gasol too.

dhsilv2 · Post #15 » by **dhsilv2** » Wed May 15, 2019 4:33 pm

I have lowry and Siakim above middleton pretty firmly even with lowry struggling a bit.

LoveMyRaps · Post #16 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Wed May 15, 2019 4:35 pm

I thought Siakam and Middleton were 3a & 3b.... But after looking at the numbers.. Siakam is definitely the 3rd best player in the series. Middleton will get the benefit of the doubt because of his all-star status.

Siakam had a better regular season.

Both averaged about 31mpg.
Siakam 17p/7r/3a + 0.9st/0.7blk - 1.9TO
Middleton 18p/6r/4a + 1st/0blk - 2.3TO

Siakam had a higher PER, VORP, TS%, WS, BPM.

In the playoffs,

Siakam is averaging 21/7/2.5 + 1.3stl/0.6blk - 1.3TO [36mpg] --> Note: Has been playing with a calf contusion for the past 4 games.
Middleton is averaging 19/6/5 + 0.8stl/0blk - 2.0TO [33mpg]

their advanced stats are pretty similar but Siakam has a slight edge in most of the categories.

Post #17 » by **Reeko** » Wed May 15, 2019 5:03 pm

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:think its easily Middleton over Siakam, did you see Siakam in game 7? He looked scared to play basketball and way in over his head. On the even bigger stage I don't trust Siakam. Middleton also does a pretty good job guarding Kawhi based on 1 game earlier this regular season.

He wasn't scared, he just had Embiid guarding him who has the size and surprisingly the quickness to guard him well.

PistolPeteJR · Post #18 » by **PistolPeteJR** » Wed May 15, 2019 5:07 pm

Some of you guys are confusing BEST PLAYER with MOST IMPORTANT PLAYER in the series.

It’s Middleton. He’s still a better player than Siakam. Both are great defenders, though I’d give Siakam a slight edge there. On O though, while Siakam is better at running the break, Middleton is better in the half-court and is a much better shooter. I have to go with Khris here.

SFour · Post #19 » by **SFour** » Wed May 15, 2019 5:34 pm

I think Siakam will have more of an impact this series than Middleton, because Kawhi will be defending Middleton. Good luck with that.

HBK_Kliq_33 · Post #20 » by **HBK_Kliq_33** » Wed May 15, 2019 5:55 pm

Reeko wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:think its easily Middleton over Siakam, did you see Siakam in game 7? He looked scared to play basketball and way in over his head. On the even bigger stage I don't trust Siakam. Middleton also does a pretty good job guarding Kawhi based on 1 game earlier this regular season.

He wasn't scared, he just had Embiid guarding him who has the size and surprisingly the quickness to guard him well.

Embiid was giving him space like he's a Ben Simmons type shooter and he refused to take jumpshots. Game 7 he wasn't even looking to score he just gave the ball to Kawhi and set him screens.

Who is the 3rd best player?