Should Pelicans pair Zion with RJ Barrett?

JB2 · Post #41 » by **JB2** » Wed May 15, 2019 7:49 pm

Center | Wagner
Zion
Ingram
Hunter or Culver or Garland
Lonzo

looks like a nice ass group to start with

facothomas22 · Post #42 » by **facothomas22** » Wed May 15, 2019 7:55 pm

R.J Barrett will probably be a bust,but yes the Pelicans should trade Anthony Davis for the Knicks third pick.They still would get Mitchell Robinson(I say the main piece of this trade),and Kevin Knox(he can still develop into a all star if he put in the work).Overall the Knicks have the best package for the Pelicans outside of the Celtics.

Steelo Green · Post #43 » by **Steelo Green** » Wed May 15, 2019 7:55 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:
Steelo Green wrote:Mitchell Rob+RJ+Knox for Davis?

I think that would be a damned good haul.

why not ask for DSJ as well and then move Jrue holiday for the best shooter available

DSJ stinks.

facothomas22 · Post #44 » by **facothomas22** » Wed May 15, 2019 8:01 pm

JB2 wrote:Center | Wagner
Zion
Ingram
Hunter or Culver or Garland
Lonzo

looks like a nice ass group to start with

This lineup would be straight up trash. Lonzo Ball is trash.Brandon Ingram can't stay healthy and even when healthy,he's still not very good player. Far as the 4th pick is concerned,I'm not impressed enough with Culver,Garland or Hunter to the point I would a a star/Superstar or even a very good starter for that pick.The value in the 4 pick in this draft has the similar value to draft picks 12-14 would be on a average draft class.Massive drop in talent after the top 3 pick(I don't really see R.J Barrett being that good of NBA player,but that's besides the point).

swyftdahoe · Post #45 » by **swyftdahoe** » Wed May 15, 2019 8:13 pm

Starting clean with Zion and RJ would be a dream for this franchise after what they went through this past year publicly. I would hate to see the cloud following around AD ruining Zion's rookie campaign. A package built around RJ, Knox and Mitchell Robinson would be a fantastic haul. I'd definitely cheer for these kids! No to DSJ tho lol

JB2 · Post #46 » by **JB2** » Wed May 15, 2019 8:28 pm

facothomas22 wrote:
JB2 wrote:Center | Wagner
Zion
Ingram
Hunter or Culver or Garland
Lonzo

looks like a nice ass group to start with

This lineup would be straight up trash. Lonzo Ball is trash.Brandon Ingram can't stay healthy and even when healthy,he's still not very good player. Far as the 4th pick is concerned,I'm not impressed enough with Culver,Garland or Hunter to the point I would a a star/Superstar or even a very good starter for that pick.The value in the 4 pick in this draft has the similar value to draft picks 12-14 would be on a average draft class.Massive drop in talent after the top 3 pick(I don't really see R.J Barrett being that good of NBA player,but that's besides the point).

You've written off a guy after 2 seasons as trash and Brandon not a very good player... We'll just end the discussion right there.

SK21209 · Post #47 » by **SK21209** » Wed May 15, 2019 8:31 pm

They definitely should. Zion and RJ with some actual NBA caliber shooters around them will look much better as a duo in college.

jonjames · Post #48 » by **jonjames** » Wed May 15, 2019 8:37 pm

Jrue Holiday
Rj Barrett
Zion Williamson
Julius Randle
Mitchell Robinson

That's a really nice team.

evilpimp972 · Post #49 » by **evilpimp972** » Wed May 15, 2019 8:44 pm

jonjames wrote:Jrue Holiday
Rj Barrett
Zion Williamson
Julius Randle
Mitchell Robinson

That's a really nice team.

Id love to watch them bricks though. Worst shooting team in the nba

Lalouie · Post #50 » by **Lalouie** » Wed May 15, 2019 9:57 pm

Effigy wrote:
Lalouie wrote:2 rookies to head a team is just a really bad idea.

they couldn't even help duke

It's a bad idea if your goal is to win that season. If your goal is to get a lot of talent that's the same age and on the same contract time line, it's a great idea for the future.

i think the pels have to be attractive immediately. not contenders or even winners, but ATTRACTIVE enough to build on hope and a future, or else this team moves to another city. that means some amount of success. barrett and zion will not provide what they couldn't at duke. we're talking about DUKE,,,KRZYZEWSKI,,,and a massive recruiting class. there's no logic to think zion/barrett will flip the script in the pros as a rookie duo leading a lottery team in the west.

Lalouie · Post #51 » by **Lalouie** » Wed May 15, 2019 10:03 pm

jonjames wrote:Jrue Holiday
Rj Barrett
Zion Williamson
Julius Randle
Mitchell Robinson

That's a really nice team.

if they were still in college. You're hypothesizing a team built on dreams. This team gets torched for the next 5years

LakerLegend · Post #52 » by **LakerLegend** » Wed May 15, 2019 10:10 pm

igorbianch wrote:
Domejandro wrote:Just keep Anthony Davis and force his hand. If he leaves, he leaves, so be it. Why would you break up your only opportunity to have a core of Anthony Davis, Zion Williamson, and Jrue Holiday?

SO If he leaves NOP is basically in the same situation they were when they had AD and couldn’t build a proper contender?

NOP will have multiple assets to around Zion and they can’t miss that opportunity unless AD commit.

Yup.

kdot99 · Post #53 » by **kdot99** » Wed May 15, 2019 10:11 pm

JamesDolan wrote:
Domejandro wrote:
drekwins wrote:
If he leaves, so be it?

So, let me get this right, you would welcome the following:

1) A dysfunctional locker room in year 1 - a very important year for Zion
2) Completely isolating the fanbase with more public drama
3) The entire NBA losing respect for the entire front office once it goes bad - which everyone can foresee.
4) Losing AD for nothing instead of acquiring some legit talent on rookie contracts and picks...

There's no way that AD isn't traded. They've gone through way too much and now need to create the best possible environment for Zion to develop in.

Those points are a pretty slanted from the reality of the situation, but sure. Force Anthony Davis' hand.

Walk away from....
35% max (compared to 30%)
7.5% raises (compared to 4.5%)
5 year contract (compared to 4 years)
A core of Jrue Holiday, Zion Williamson, and Himself (+Whomever they net in free-agency)

If I am David Griffin, I am happy to hold out and make him make the decision.

Of course, I wouldn't be opposed to listening to trade offers, but frankly, I would be perfectly happy moving forward with what New Orleans has, if I was the President of Basketball Operations.
He will leave at the end of the season. I take him on his word.

Pelicans should take the best deal and move on.

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This.

HIs mind has been made up for a while. If you keep him, you're just dragging on the turmoil from last year with another year of rumours and a big question mark in the locker room. If they keep him and decide to trade him at trade deadline, they'll garner a package back that is substationally less in value than what is offered to them this offseason. In no situation is keeping AD when he has decided he doesn't want to play with NO past 2020 a good idea. You'll lose him for nothing and reset the franchise back for years.

If it comes down to it, he'll walk away from the 35% max and 7.5 raises in the 2020 offseason, but that won't happen because Griffin will lose his job if he lets AD go for nothing.

Da ThRONe · Post #54 » by **Da ThRONe** » Wed May 15, 2019 10:15 pm

Is this even a real question? Of course we should!

Post #55 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Wed May 15, 2019 10:17 pm

evilpimp972 wrote:
jonjames wrote:Jrue Holiday
Rj Barrett
Zion Williamson
Julius Randle
Mitchell Robinson

That's a really nice team.

Id love to watch them bricks though. Worst shooting team in the nba

Depends. Are the Lakers cleaning house with their roster? If not, Rondo, Ball, LeBron, Ingram, Kuzma, McGee and Beasley wanna talk :rofl:

Who would have guessed that Julius Randle was going to shoot better from 3 than Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, and LeBron and that only Kuzma would outshoot him from the free throw line.

baldur · Post #56 » by **baldur** » Wed May 15, 2019 10:18 pm

will memphis select rj barrett or ja morant? what do you reckon?

Effigy · Post #57 » by **Effigy** » Wed May 15, 2019 10:31 pm

baldur wrote:will memphis select rj barrett or ja morant? what do you reckon?

Everyone assumes it will be Ja. That's who I'd take. I'm not high on Barrett at all. But you never know.

NoBias · Post #58 » by **NoBias** » Wed May 15, 2019 10:41 pm

Effigy wrote:
baldur wrote:will memphis select rj barrett or ja morant? what do you reckon?

Everyone assumes it will be Ja. That's who I'd take. I'm not high on Barrett at all. But you never know.

Memphis hasn’t had an elite wing in their entire existence. They’d be crazy to draft Ja over RJ.

nesta · Post #59 » by **nesta** » Wed May 15, 2019 10:46 pm

Effigy wrote:How sure are we that Zion and Barrett are friends though? I heard on the Dan Patrick show this morning that there had been speculation previously that Zion didn't want to go to the same team as Barrett.

Dan Patrick :lol:

....He has as much sources as Skip Bayless, Stephen A Smith, and Chris Broussard.

drekwins · Post #60 » by **drekwins** » Wed May 15, 2019 10:54 pm

Domejandro wrote:Those points are a pretty slanted from the reality of the situation, but sure. Force Anthony Davis' hand.

Walk away from....
35% max (compared to 30%)
7.5% raises (compared to 4.5%)
5 year contract (compared to 4 years)
A core of Jrue Holiday, Zion Williamson, and Himself (+Whomever they net in free-agency)

If I am David Griffin, I am happy to hold out and make him make the decision.

Of course, I wouldn't be opposed to listening to trade offers, but frankly, I would be perfectly happy moving forward with what New Orleans has, if I was the President of Basketball Operations.

What makes you think that he hasn't made a decision? The decision was clearly made last year. He has given no indication of any hope that he wants to be in NO. He made his decision, accepted the fierce backlash from fans, other coaches/executives/analysts and is ready to move on. He even made it clear that he will only resign long-term with a select number of teams (LAL, NYK, Mil and LAC). Then, after the LAL trade fell through, he even wanted out so bad that he stated that he'd accept a trade to any of the other 29 teams in the league... but would not sign long-term unless it was one of the main 4.

He has been very clear and his agent re-affirmed it last night. Staying in NO is not even a consideration.

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