Chris_SoCal wrote:og15 wrote:Triples333 wrote:Wow interesting, it actually is. Both round to 89% win percentages, with 4 of those 31-4 being playoff games (all wins).
Regular season and playoffs do differ though. I have no doubt the Warriors could win just as many, even more RS games if they didn’t add Durant, but they wouldn’t have walked through the playoffs like they did in 16-17, and they would have had more than only two real challenges in the playoffs, both by the same team in the last 3 seasons.
Let’s look at regular season Ortg vs playoff series Ortg and then also Curry and Durant’s playoff On/Off Ortg since 14-15 (Durant 16-17). Using Bball-Ref numbers, not NBA.com.
14-15Regular Season: 111.6
Playoffs: 108.7
Vs NOP: 116.8
Vs MEM: 107.0
Vs HOU: 110.7
Vs CLE: 107.3
On Court: 107.8
Off Court: 110.1
15-16Regular Season: 114.5
Playoffs: 110.5
Vs HOU: 112.6
Vs POR: 117.3
Vs OKC: 107.8
Vs CLE: 109.1
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I have a question about your stat... isn't more a criticism of the coaches substitution pattern than that it is purely just the on off effect of a given player? Maybe one guy plays with the second team more? How does this stat control for that?
It's certainly not my stat, and it does not control for sub patterns, something like RPM is what aims to do that. The point isn't to cover every nuance with the stat, it's to show that they team heavily benefits from both despite different talents.
If you want to look at Durant on without Curry and Curry on without Durant (NBA.com numbers)
16-17:
Together: 120.5
Curry no Durant: 113.8
Durant no Curry: 102.5
17-18:
Together: 120.6
Curry no Durant: 113.8
Durant no Curry: 106.9
18-19:
Together: 120.6
Curry no Durant: 108.6
Durant no Curry: 109.4
In 16-17 and 17-18, Curry kills him in that, offense is still very good without Durant, while for Durant, offense is poor without Curry. It was different this season, about the same without the other, but maybe an outlier or something has changed. So, we understand that the foundation of the team and the offense is built around Curry, therefore the offense should be better without Durant that without Curry, but that much better? The gap those first two seasons was huge. Okay, so maybe it is about who Durant playing with in those minutes?
In 17-18 they went 11-3 in the early games Curry missed, but they had a mediocre offense and great defense, good NetRtg, but offense was nowhere as good. They were 7-10 in the other games he missed, Durant was out for 6 of those games, Green 4, Thompson 8, they were more concerned about resting at that point, so fine, it wasn't a good sample size to judge.
First round against the Spurs without Curry, they had a 113.7 Ortg and then a 118.5 Ortg in game 1 vs New Orleans without Curry. Small sample. It's all data, it needs to be interpreted and given context. The data though doesn't say that in a vacuum, Curry is a better player than Durant or vice versa.