Skin wrote:Xatticus wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
Mo also shot 68% FTs at college and only made 14 threes (on 51 attemp).
But this is not about Bamba, it's about philosophy and new thrends in general.
Success or failure of a team that has shooting C molds perception of value of that player.
Over years guys like Bargnani , Frye, Speights,Maker, Spance Hawes shot 3s , but when you think about them you think about fools and scrubs ,right?
So what's different between them and Lopez and Horford but perception of success of their teams?
Lopez had virtually zero value for anybody last summer. Anybody but Bucks who needed specific, 3 point shooting C to lure last man out to give Giannis and other shooters space. I'm pretty sure most of the league would not enjoy 4 rpg , 7 three point attemps C who brings almost nothing else to the table but high volumen chucking at this point. Yet it works for them. We know for fact on Nets it did not work ( 20 wins ) and on Lakers it did not work ( limited to 23 mpg ).
Horford's biggest value as a player is passing , not shooting. He just developed his shot to be triple treat in pick&roll/pop. But he lacks any volumen. Despite shooting 37% for 3 for career do you know how many threes he was wide open ? 65 out of 73 he made . Despite him being always wide open , unlike guards, he still only shoots 36% on wide open jumpers ( where elite shooters knock them down at 43-48% rate ) .
And they are only 2 Cs that shoot at respectful level to even talk about.
Davis 31% for 3 for career, why even try if you can dominate from virtually any other range ?
Embiid 31% for 3 for career, same as Davis.
IMO them shooting 3s comes down to fact that it's just "modern" and without any other logical explanation why they do it. it's clear that they are not good at it ,it's clear that nobody guards them when they do and therfore it means nothing to their offense ( actually it hurts their offense as they shoot bad shots that they can't hit at respectful rate ) . So why do it aside from fact it's cool?
This 3 point frenzy with big men is same level of hype without substance like notion that you need rim protection to win title 5 years ago so every scrub who could block shot got $17M a year , 4 years deal. Or 10 years ago when teams were offering max contracts to 48% TS " iso scorers" like Marbury and Francis because "that's what Lakers have in Kobe".
Every few years you have new crappy narrative and sheep follow .
In context for Bamba, as i said, this summer he should only squat, deadlift, work on post moves, work on finishing around rim with both hands and being able to post up much smaller players. Make FTs. Once he can do it at high level,his game will be next level.
The league has evolved to threes and layups because those are the most efficient shots. Larry Bird is considered one of the best shooters in NBA history and played the entirety of his career in the 3-point era, yet Jonathan Isaac has a made more 3-point shots per game on average over his career thus far than did Bird. The game has changed.
29% of Bamba's shots were 3-point attempts. 35% of his shots were at the rim and he converted on 79% of those shots. 29% of his made field goals were dunks. It's a fallacy to assert that he spent all of his time on the perimeter.
Every center in the NBA spends time at the perimeter on the offensive end. They are often used as initiators from the top of the key before they move to set a screen or simply to space the floor when there is pick-and-roll action that they are not involved in. You can not run a pick-and-roll while someone is trying to establish themselves in the post. That just brings the help defender to the basket.
Modern offenses are about movement and spacing. When one player vacates an area to run off of a screen, someone else shifts to fill the vacated space. The goal is the create switches, gaps, and confusion in the defense that forces defenders to scramble. Forcing the ball into the post stops all of this. It's time consuming. It's just much easier to initiate the offense with a pick-and-roll. This is why conventional centers are a dying breed. There is no rational reason not to develop Bamba's shooting.
Quick quiz: Which current Orlando Magic center had a .455 eFG%, .462 TS%, and a .529 FT% in his rookie season?
Maybe it's way too early to make declarations about what Bamba can and can't do?
First of all, i said that to me it's more philosophical debate with tie-ins with Bamba and how Magic should approach his development.
29% of Bamba's shots were 3-point attempts. 35% of his shots were at the rim and he converted on 79% of those shots. 29% of his made field goals were dunks. It's a fallacy to assert that he spent all of his time on the perimeter.
And yet ,
If you read rest of my posts about this topic i would saw i said i don't have problem with C shooting some threes, but not 29% of all shots should be 3 pointers if he has shown zero ability to shoot from any range.
68% FT shooter at college, below 60% FT shooter in nba, below 32% mid range shooter everywhere should not shoot attemp many threes because it's clear he can't shoot in general.
Or at least, as i already posted ( and repeated) shooting should not be his main focus at this moment.
Modern offenses are about movement and spacing. When one player vacates an area to run off of a screen, someone else shifts to fill the vacated space. The goal is the create switches, gaps, and confusion in the defense that forces defenders to scramble.
Yet Bamba did not do any of that. Bigs stayed home when he was away from rim . In 55 out of his 70 three point attemps, closest defender was at least 6 feet away from him. In other 9 attemps closest defender was at between 4 and 6 feet away from him.
Yet he only shot 30% when he was left wide open. So he did not create space , made defense honest or confused and it's best shown in his offensive rating where he had the worst offensive rating on whole roster, including Melvin Frazier, Jerian Grant and Jonathan Simmons.
Every center in the NBA spends time at the perimeter on the offensive end. They are often used as initiators from the top of the key before they move to set a screen or simply to space the floor when there is pick-and-roll action that they are not involved in. You can not run a pick-and-roll while someone is trying to establish themselves in the post. That just brings the help defender to the basket.
I don't know why this has anything to do with anything i posted. I said his main focus should be pick&roll action and even brought up data of his screen and rolls to point he is already good at it when given chance.
here is no rational reason not to develop Bamba's shooting
There is no rational reason why terrible shooter should not shoot? Yea why not give MCW all that 3 pointers, because there is no rational reason why guard should not knock them down ,right?
Mo would literally have 7% better FT ,4% better eFG and 2,5% better TS if he did not attemp any 3 . Yet because it "creates space" ( does not, nobody guards him ) he shoots them and that drags down his efficiency and overall , lookint at offensive rating it does not help a team. Maybe if you want a shooter, you should draft, sign or trade for shooter instad of drafting 7 footers and forcing things on them that they are not good at, than acting suprised how bad or raw they are?
Players have at most 4 months of free time to work on their problematic areas, wasting time to become 33 instad of 30% shooter, yet being pretty much usless in any other area of a game is wasting your time. What are you developing him into ? Frye? Not to mention that there is no proof that he can actually become 33-35% shooter any time soon.
Quick quiz: Which current Orlando Magic center had a .455 eFG%, .462 TS%, and a .529 FT% in his rookie season?
More biased, unrelated hate ? How some posters have fallen ....
And since you went there , trivia question how many rookie Cs had net rating worst than -12 in last 7 years? And how many of them panned out into starters
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