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Post #521 » by **Darth Celtic** » Fri May 24, 2019 2:36 pm

Well, the bucks are a trash flawed team. Makes me even madder that Bledsoe and Middleton couldn't miss open or contested shots against us. Watching game after game of nobody making 3's on the bucks against the Raptors is maddening.

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #522 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Fri May 24, 2019 5:46 pm

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Curmudgeon · Post #523 » by **Curmudgeon** » Fri May 24, 2019 8:33 pm

Darth Celtic wrote:Well, the bucks are a trash flawed team. Makes me even madder that Bledsoe and Middleton couldn't miss open or contested shots against us. Watching game after game of nobody making 3's on the bucks against the Raptors is maddening.

What? You mean the Bucks team that demolished the Celtics isn't "historically great?" Maybe if Kyrie had played defense instead of giving up in games 4 and 5, Bledsoe and Middleton wouldn't have had such a field day.

Post #524 » by **Darth Celtic** » Fri May 24, 2019 8:52 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
Darth Celtic wrote:Well, the bucks are a trash flawed team. Makes me even madder that Bledsoe and Middleton couldn't miss open or contested shots against us. Watching game after game of nobody making 3's on the bucks against the Raptors is maddening.

What? You mean the Bucks team that demolished the Celtics isn't "historically great?" Maybe if Kyrie had played defense instead of giving up in games 4 and 5, Bledsoe and Middleton wouldn't have had such a field day.

our loss to the bucks had nothing to do with Kyrie's defense. Your schtick is old.

I mean, i'd take you serious if you said "if kyrie would make an open shot" or "if kyrie didn't shoot bad shots and pass the ball", but his defense in the playoffs was above season average by a bit. Not the issue.

And look at the wide open 3 % and % of shots open from 3 in our series and the Raptors series and I bet you'll see what I mean.

Curmudgeon · Post #525 » by **Curmudgeon** » Fri May 24, 2019 9:49 pm

Kyrie quit on defense in games 4 and 5. He quit on his teammates and he quit on the fans. Go watch the replays.

zoyathedestroya · Post #526 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Sat May 25, 2019 12:11 am

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Post #527 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Sat May 25, 2019 11:30 am

Darth Celtic wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:
Darth Celtic wrote:Well, the bucks are a trash flawed team. Makes me even madder that Bledsoe and Middleton couldn't miss open or contested shots against us. Watching game after game of nobody making 3's on the bucks against the Raptors is maddening.

What? You mean the Bucks team that demolished the Celtics isn't "historically great?" Maybe if Kyrie had played defense instead of giving up in games 4 and 5, Bledsoe and Middleton wouldn't have had such a field day.

our loss to the bucks had nothing to do with Kyrie's defense. Your schtick is old.

I mean, i'd take you serious if you said "if kyrie would make an open shot" or "if kyrie didn't shoot bad shots and pass the ball", but his defense in the playoffs was above season average by a bit. Not the issue.

And look at the wide open 3 % and % of shots open from 3 in our series and the Raptors series and I bet you'll see what I mean.

Lol, our defense improved by like 16 points per 100 possessions when Kyrie sat— he routinely got lost on switches and often ordered other players off of Giannis so he could take him.

I go at Curm a lot, but he is spot on here. Kyrie crushed this team defensively. He also crushed our team offensively, as you note.

celticfan42487 · Post #528 » by **celticfan42487** » Sat May 25, 2019 1:53 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Darth Celtic wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:
What? You mean the Bucks team that demolished the Celtics isn't "historically great?" Maybe if Kyrie had played defense instead of giving up in games 4 and 5, Bledsoe and Middleton wouldn't have had such a field day.

our loss to the bucks had nothing to do with Kyrie's defense. Your schtick is old.

I mean, i'd take you serious if you said "if kyrie would make an open shot" or "if kyrie didn't shoot bad shots and pass the ball", but his defense in the playoffs was above season average by a bit. Not the issue.

And look at the wide open 3 % and % of shots open from 3 in our series and the Raptors series and I bet you'll see what I mean.

Lol, our defense improved by like 16 points per 100 possessions when Kyrie sat— he routinely got lost on switches and often ordered other players off of Giannis so he could take him.

I go at Curm a lot, but he is spot on here. Kyrie crushed this team defensively. He also crushed our team offensively, as you note.

Ed Pinkney · Post #529 » by **Ed Pinkney** » Sat May 25, 2019 1:58 pm

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Post #530 » by **tlee324** » Sun May 26, 2019 3:15 am

Hmmm looks like Toronto was pretty good after all...

winsomme2 · Post #531 » by **winsomme2** » Sun May 26, 2019 12:58 pm

Bucks just not ready for the big stage. Giannis has to get a mid-range game.

It's gonna be interesting to see what they do personnel-wise in the off season because they need to keep getting better.

They've got a tricky road ahead.

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #532 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Mon May 27, 2019 1:43 pm

winsomme2 wrote:Bucks just not ready for the big stage. Giannis has to get a mid-range game.

It's gonna be interesting to see what they do personnel-wise in the off season because they need to keep getting better.

They've got a tricky road ahead.

Lol at Bledsoe getting his extension in March, before he pooped the bed against the Raptors in the playoffs. Good for Rich Paul in getting that money before his client got exposed. I honestly could not think of a worse player to pair with Giannis. Bledsoe can't run the pick and roll. Doesn't have the jumper to make teams pay for going under the pick, nor does he have the passing ability to get the ball to Giannis as he rolls to the hoop. His jumper also sucks so bad that the Raptors were just daring him to shoot the ball.

As for the rest of the gang - I think the Bucks will keep everyone except Lopez. They don't have his Bird rights, so the only way he stays is if he takes a heavy discount. I'm not sure he will, but we'll see.

Post #533 » by **Darth Celtic** » Mon May 27, 2019 4:11 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
winsomme2 wrote:Bucks just not ready for the big stage. Giannis has to get a mid-range game.

It's gonna be interesting to see what they do personnel-wise in the off season because they need to keep getting better.

They've got a tricky road ahead.

Lol at Bledsoe getting his extension in March, before he pooped the bed against the Raptors in the playoffs. Good for Rich Paul in getting that money before his client got exposed. I honestly could not think of a worse player to pair with Giannis. Bledsoe can't run the pick and roll. Doesn't have the jumper to make teams pay for going under the pick, nor does he have the passing ability to get the ball to Giannis as he rolls to the hoop. His jumper also sucks so bad that the Raptors were just daring him to shoot the ball.

As for the rest of the gang - I think the Bucks will keep everyone except Lopez. They don't have his Bird rights, so the only way he stays is if he takes a heavy discount. I'm not sure he will, but we'll see.

Yeah. I agree with most of this. To bad he made those shots against us. Bleadsoe is a bad fit for the bucks. Hill way out played him all playoffs. Not sure Lopez gets a deal more than 8 mil a year. They can mle him and aren't over the tax. But they may end up there. Brogdon and Middleton need large pay raises too and somehow they need to get better.

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fallguy · Post #534 » by **fallguy** » Mon May 27, 2019 4:13 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Darth Celtic wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:
What? You mean the Bucks team that demolished the Celtics isn't "historically great?" Maybe if Kyrie had played defense instead of giving up in games 4 and 5, Bledsoe and Middleton wouldn't have had such a field day.

our loss to the bucks had nothing to do with Kyrie's defense. Your schtick is old.

I mean, i'd take you serious if you said "if kyrie would make an open shot" or "if kyrie didn't shoot bad shots and pass the ball", but his defense in the playoffs was above season average by a bit. Not the issue.

And look at the wide open 3 % and % of shots open from 3 in our series and the Raptors series and I bet you'll see what I mean.

Lol, our defense improved by like 16 points per 100 possessions when Kyrie sat— he routinely got lost on switches and often ordered other players off of Giannis so he could take him.

I go at Curm a lot, but he is spot on here. Kyrie crushed this team defensively. He also crushed our team offensively, as you note.

Yeah, this Kyrie's defense was fine revisionist history is flat out nonsense.

3D Chess · Post #535 » by **3D Chess** » Tue May 28, 2019 12:55 pm

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"There was one time when Kobe, who I worked with for 18 years, was going back to play in Madison Square Garden, and he had just seen 'The Dark Knight,'" Pelinka said. "Obviously, you guys saw that movie, and he's like, 'Hey, hook me up with dinner with Heath Ledger, because he got so locked into that role. I want to know how he mentally went there.' So, he had dinner with Heath, and he talked about how he locks in for a role.

"And Kobe used some of that in his game against the Knicks."

"The Dark Knight" was released in July 2008, six months after Ledger died. A source with direct knowledge said no such arrangement was made and no dinner ever took place.

jmr07019 · Post #536 » by **jmr07019** » Tue May 28, 2019 2:02 pm

Valid wrote:
jmr07019 wrote:Steph is the real MVP of the league and the best player on the Warriors. He’s not a coward like Durant and doesn’t need the talent level ridiculously out of balance to win titles.

Steph is in no way, shape or form better than Kevin Durant.

He has been for a while. Kevin is a mental midget afraid of the moment.

MagicBagley18 · Post #537 » by **MagicBagley18** » Tue May 28, 2019 2:06 pm

jmr07019 wrote:
Valid wrote:
jmr07019 wrote:Steph is the real MVP of the league and the best player on the Warriors. He’s not a coward like Durant and doesn’t need the talent level ridiculously out of balance to win titles.

Steph is in no way, shape or form better than Kevin Durant.

He has been for a while. Kevin is a mental midget afraid of the moment.

He’s a 2x finals mvp and has hit dagger shots for them every time he’s been there. While he may be the most insecure superstar we have ever seen- he’s not afraid of the moment

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #538 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Tue May 28, 2019 2:08 pm

3D Chess wrote:Directly into the veins, please;

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"There was one time when Kobe, who I worked with for 18 years, was going back to play in Madison Square Garden, and he had just seen 'The Dark Knight,'" Pelinka said. "Obviously, you guys saw that movie, and he's like, 'Hey, hook me up with dinner with Heath Ledger, because he got so locked into that role. I want to know how he mentally went there.' So, he had dinner with Heath, and he talked about how he locks in for a role.

"And Kobe used some of that in his game against the Knicks."

"The Dark Knight" was released in July 2008, six months after Ledger died. A source with direct knowledge said no such arrangement was made and no dinner ever took place.

Wow.

jmr07019 · Post #539 » by **jmr07019** » Tue May 28, 2019 2:15 pm

MagicBagley18 wrote:
jmr07019 wrote:
Valid wrote:Steph is in no way, shape or form better than Kevin Durant.

He has been for a while. Kevin is a mental midget afraid of the moment.

He’s a 2x finals mvp and has hit dagger shots for them every time he’s been there. While he may be the most insecure superstar we have ever seen- he’s not afraid of the moment

Couldn't care less what Durant has done after joining a 73 win championship team who didn't have to lose a top 3 player (arguably top 4 - Iggy) to sign him. It's like a varsity team playing a junior varsity team or the US team in the Olympics. The balance of talent is so out of whack that you can not use those games to argue anything.

MagicBagley18 · Post #540 » by **MagicBagley18** » Tue May 28, 2019 2:39 pm

jmr07019 wrote:
MagicBagley18 wrote:
jmr07019 wrote:
He has been for a while. Kevin is a mental midget afraid of the moment.

He’s a 2x finals mvp and has hit dagger shots for them every time he’s been there. While he may be the most insecure superstar we have ever seen- he’s not afraid of the moment

Couldn't care less what Durant has done after joining a 73 win championship team who didn't have to lose a top 3 player (arguably top 4 - Iggy) to sign him. It's like a varsity team playing a junior varsity team or the US team in the Olympics. The balance of talent is so out of whack that you can not use those games to argue anything.

Riiiight.