All Elite Wrestling - Discussion

[Scott Hall]

Sounds like it was a good show I've only seen a few highlights on Twitter I'm hoping to watch sometime
this week if it's on Dailymotion

[improper]

Haven't finished the main event yet because I passed out last night while trying to get through the second half of the show (watched the first earlier), probably largely due to drinking a boatload of bourbon and IPAs at a cookout.

Anyway, the Lucha Bros and Young Bucks match was incredible. Two of the best tag teams in the world just pulling out incredible move after incredible move. Also enjoyed the Smash Bros debut, especially the throne of minions. Cody/Goldust was the best Cody match I've ever seen, and a testament to how good Goldust can be (such a shame WWE wasted him as a lower carder the past decade).

The only match that disappointed me was the women's four way. It was just boring. That said, the Joshi match totally made up for it. Aja Kong can barely move but she's still out there putting on more entertaining matches than most of the WWE, and the rest of the women in the match were a lot of fun too.

[Flames24Rulz]

Me and my buddies legit marked out when Moxley showed up. That's how you close a show.

I thought the last three matches, and the MJF promo were some of the best segments I've seen in a long time. Really, the only hang up's for me were the camerawork and Marvez -- he was horrid. I'd love it if they could poach Mauro away from WWE and pair him with JR and Excalibur.

[Stanford]

Vince Russo is going around saying McMahon is covertly funding AEW to manufacture competition for WWE and further dominate the wrestling industry. And if you don't believe him? You guessed it: you're a mark.

[improper]

Vince Russo is going around saying McMahon is covertly funding AEW to manufacture competition for WWE and further dominate the wrestling industry. And if you don't believe him? You guessed it: you're a mark.

I mean if they let competent wrestling people run it like they do with NXT, who cares? I just want good wrestling.

Although it seems like a really stupid business strategy to run your own company into the ground while funding another company that is actually giving your fans what they want, so I'm gonna go with it's bullsh*t.

[Stanford]

It's just so obviously not true. In the funniest way.

Vince Russo is the Alex Jones of wrestling.

[bestnamezRtaken]

Highly recommend listening to Jericho's latest podcast with Jon Moxley on it. Moxley goes over a ton of different things about the last few years and what he had to go through as far as gimmicks, promos, etc.

[daoneandonly]

Highly recommend listening to Jericho's latest podcast with Jon Moxley on it. Moxley goes over a ton of different things about the last few years and what he had to go through as far as gimmicks, promos, etc.

Yeah just a brief summary alone was a good read

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2838481-aews-jon-moxley-talks-wwe-exit-rips-vinces-creative-for-reigns-leukemia-line

[bestnamezRtaken]

Yeah, that brief summary is nothing compared to the actual podcast itself, lol. I know it's just that, brief but definitely listen to the podcast, it's really really good. I've become a bit of a podcast listener and I download 5-6 episodes of various ones to listen to on my long drives to and from work, when I woke up this morning and saw it was posted, it was an instant listen despite me being in the middle of listening to Austin and Bret break down their iconic WM13 match on Edge and Christian's podcast.

[LLJ]

So Moxley confirming all the things people have been saying for years. I really don't know how anyone can deny how out of touch the WWE is now. Which is sad. They're not hip anymore, they've become the old grandpa you visit less and less because he's repeating himself all the time and always railing about this and that but not doing anything about it.

[bestnamezRtaken]

Oh man, listening to Jon and the way he was describing Vince's reactions and explanations to certain things...pretty spot on from what we all "speculated" for years. Vince is incredibly out of touch and it's really hurting the brand and hurting the value of wrestlers. Jon said he hopes AEW pushes WWE to change their creative thinking and the way the whole process is done because he cares about a lot of the people that work there and just wants wrestling to be good again.

[daoneandonly]

Yea of course it would be Vince that had the tasteless line about Reign's leukemia and the rabies shot Ambrose got and wearing a gas mask. Nothing about any of that is entertaining, apparently Vince also wanted something involving a pooper scooper.

[Stanford]

I thought the podcast was boring. Jon essentially interviewed himself, which resulted in a lot of rambling. It was interesting to hear him be so critical of Vince. Usually guys at least say "well, he's a genius, but..." Jon clearly doesn't think so.

Other than that, there wasn't a lot of new information. We dont need anyone to tell us that their creative process is trash. We watch the show. It's evident. Compare this interview to Punk's appearance on AoW. That episode had a bunch of newsworthy stuff that made people look at WWE differently.

I also thought it was funny that he thought he did a great job with whatever he was given. I do not agree. He got screwed in terms of promos and storylines, but he didnt embrace what he was given like Daniel Bryan has. He always had a look of "I dont want to be doing this" on his face. I think that's fine because he truly got screwed, but his impression of his performance is just wrong.

This period is going to set the long term perception of his career. Hopefully he can repay all the faith we put in him initially.

[Flames24Rulz]

Yea of course it would be Vince that had the tasteless line about Reign's leukemia and the rabies shot Ambrose got and wearing a gas mask. Nothing about any of that is entertaining, apparently Vince also wanted something involving a pooper scooper.

Yeah, that's the part that was pretty cringe-worthy to me. Crap like that is why there were/(are?) people who think Roman's leukemia was a work -- when the guy calling the shots is VKM, there are no boundaries. Even in the PG era, he's still floating around stuff like that. To even consider having one of Roman's best friends in the industry pulling out the leukemia line to get some cheap heat is extremely tasteless. But again, look at the guy in charge.

There wasn't anything I was really surprised about either from the podcast, but damn, Vince is the main, secondary, tertiary, etc. reason as to why WWE programming is as bad as it is right now. I have no problem with WWE helping out new or raw guys follow a script. But to have some of the best mic workers in recent memory in Jericho & Moxley follow a script verbatim, is completely out of touch. Like Jericho said, these guys are creators -- the whole reason they've gotten to the point they are in their careers is because that's what they've done. To take away that entire aspect from the individual is absurd. But, that's Vince.

[jakecronus8]

This interview gave me new perspective on that awkward Stone Cold podcast interaction where Austin called out Ambrose for resting on his laurels. I gained a ton of respect for Mox after listening. Similar to Punk, he realized there's no price you can put on happiness and both guys seem to be in much better places (though I selfishly wish Punk would fall back in love with wrestling). Moxley was probably fuming inside knowing what he wanted to say to Austin but couldn't. Perhaps steve isn't fully aware of just how much of a weird control freak vince is now but I doubt it.

ETA: Cody and Khan sound like they'd be awesome to work for and how much you want to bet that Khan knows more about wrestling than Vince does?

[LLJ]

This interview gave me new perspective on that awkward Stone Cold podcast interaction where Austin called out Ambrose for resting on his laurels. I gained a ton of respect for Mox after listening. Similar to Punk, he realized there's no price you can put on happiness and both guys seem to be in much better places (though I selfishly wish Punk would fall back in love with wrestling). Moxley was probably fuming inside knowing what he wanted to say to Austin but couldn't. Perhaps steve isn't fully aware of just how much of a weird control freak vince is now but I doubt it.

ETA: Cody and Khan sound like they'd be awesome to work for and how much you want to bet that Khan knows more about wrestling than Vince does?

Austin *should* know, but he probably forgot because he had much more power in his prime than Ambrose did at being able to steer the direction of his character.

The most notable moments of Austin kowtowing to the company line is before and after his prime. Remember Austin was afraid of blading at WM13 because he knew Vince didn't want it. It was only when Bret said he would take the rap for him going out of line with the blading that Austin went through with it. That also speaks to the tremendous amount of trust he placed in Bret, which is why Austin has never smack talked Bret ever because Bret did it, it rocketed Austin to stardom, and took the rap for going against Vince's "no blood" rule.

The second notable moment was Austin attempting to change jobbing to Brock from a TV episode to PPV, and failing. Then walking out of the WWE because of that, which severely strained his relationship with the WWE forever after that, even though he did stuff after he came back from his walkout, it was never the same as before. This was when Austin was no longer FOTC anymore, and the company's writers had already started downgrading Austin and putting him against B and C class performers at PPVs (like the Wrestlemania where he wrestled Scott Hall)

And Austin wanted to get ANYTHING out of Ambrose in that interview by broaching topics Ambrose didn't want to discuss, like his childhood.

It was just a lot of wires crossed all around.

[Scott Hall]

Yea of course it would be Vince that had the tasteless line about Reign's leukemia and the rabies shot Ambrose got and wearing a gas mask. Nothing about any of that is entertaining, apparently Vince also wanted something involving a pooper scooper.

And I'm sure it was Vince who was behind Ruby Riott mocking the death of Anvil to Natalya and have the Riott Squad
destroy a pic of him in front of her and I'm sure he's the one that had Orton tell Mysterio that Eddie is down here or
in hell or whatever he said during their WM feud back in the day.

[bestnamezRtaken]

"That's good sh*t right there" - Vince McMahon about stupid promos and props

[WRau1]

[skbucks1985]

Yea of course it would be Vince that had the tasteless line about Reign's leukemia and the rabies shot Ambrose got and wearing a gas mask. Nothing about any of that is entertaining, apparently Vince also wanted something involving a pooper scooper.

It just goes to show that even with taking the company public, the corporate jet, the state-of-the-art corporate offices, the giant stadium shows and all of the other things that show just how massive this company is, that there's a part of Vince McMahon that's still an old rasslin promoter