2019 NBA Finals Thread #4: Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors | TIED AT 1

[jimmy keys]

Toronto loss = Ref fault
Toronto win = Ref is beautiful

bunch of fools..

don't be like Houston fans....

Mods why aren't posts like this just instantly deleted?

If they were, this thread wouldn’t make it passed page 1.

They slacking, probably don't make enough to really care.

[socal74]

LOL Most stacked team ever wins with the help of the refs.

I think raps messed up quite a bit, letting them go on that 18-0 and missing wide open looks but other then that, if Lowry can stop being an idiot on some of those fouls and refs not trying to take over the game, raps should be fine.

It'll be tough in Oakland though, usually, guys just shoot better at home so lets see.

Y’all have to be some of the biggest cry babies I’ve seen in history.. especially since the refs did everything to keep Toronto in the game & they still couldn’t make “shots” when it counts smh.

Btw as of right now on paper the Raps are more stacked than this injured Warriors team & they’re still keeping up with the Raptors SMH.. that’s why I felt Milwaukee vs Warriors would’ve been a much better matchup.

Seriously man biggest crybaby fanbase in the league. Every loss is because of the refs apparently. I have not seen a more insecure fanbase than this one. Keep doing a good job Raptor fans. Laker fans wouldn't mind handing you the most hated fanbase title.

S2 - Stop insulting a fanbase.

[Strepbacter]

Curry had 23/4/3 in 41 minutes and he STILL completely dominated that game. Example #10356 of how deceiving the box-score can be.

[sixerswillrule]

Freethrows don't count as a shot attempt, I'm not sure where you're getting that from.

I never said they did.

Counting those attempts are irrelevant when he's getting fouled while doing them.

I'm counting it as a possession used. That's not irrelevant.

You said he scored 34 points on 20 shots. No, on those 20 shots he scored 18 points. The other 16 points were scored on OTHER possessions/attempts to score that were on top of the 20 shots, which you're ignoring when you say it like that.

Wrong way to do it:
Kawhi scored 34 points on 20 shots
Klay scored 25 points on 17 shots

Misleading and makes Kawhi sound like he scored more efficiently than Klay.

What actually happened and right way to do it:
Kawhi scored 34 points on 28 possessions/scoring attempts
Klay scored 25 points on 18 possessions/scoring attempts

Klay scored more efficiently than Kawhi.

[tomacorandom]

The less involved Marc Gasol is the worst for Toronto Raptors. I don't understand why they don't create more chances for him

[Ramed Nazored]

that's raps fans in the finals or game 1 of the preseason

at least they're consistent

Reffing was fine after the first half. Brutal, standstill offense to start the 3rd cost the Raps the game.

Underrated comment. If you had to bring it all down to the MAIN reason, this would be it. Even before Klay hadn't injured himself and with the reffing discrepancy in the first half I thought Raps were the better team up until then. Then the 18-0 happened and they crumbled. Warriors on the other hand adjusted and did what champions to do.

To be fair, this is their first Finals, and other than Kawhi the rest must've been pretty shook mentally on that run and that's what cost them the game.

That’s right. This is our first finals trip. Did people expect that we’d steamroll our way to a championship? I haven’t lost any hope.

The Raptors can win a game in Oakland.

[miman15]

After all these years where people are complaining about the Warriors eliminating contenders with significant injuries on their way to championships. This year its the other way around, and they have responded well...

[LKN]

It's hard for me to take much away from that game - the reffing was so atrocious in the first half. It had a huge impact on who could be on the floor and how aggressive they could be. The Raptors did have an offensive disappearing act like they did against Philly several times which really hurt them; they certainly did themselves no favors.

I certainly will avoid watching any more games with Brothers/Foster officiating.... that game was painful to watch. If the NBA wonders why their ratings struggle sometimes games like tonight are a prime example. Terrible flow of the game and wildly inconsistent calls make for a very poor experience for fans.

At home. No KD. Curry was sick. And Klay left with 8 minutes to go. Looney left in the first half. Raps have to win this game. Period.

They certainly need to win 1 of the next 2.... if they do they are probably fine.

They certainly needed to win tonight. Despite the atrocious officiating in the first half they still had their chances and it was their offense that let them down. Just ridiculously bad dry spells tonight

[Samurai]

If Klay is out game 3, does Durant sit game 3 (even if he could play), to help ensure they can go down 2-1? Then come back game 4 and be the series hero?

Or does he just play it safe and come back game 3 with it 1-1?

How is coming back in game 3 "playing it safe"? If you look at the facts and not childish agendas, we know that Durant has not yet been cleared for team practice yet. Kerr has made it clear that until Durant can practice, he can't and won't play. Assuming he gets cleared to practice between now and Wednesday, which is very much up in the air, coming back for game 3 would be much riskier as he is more likely to reinjure his calf. Game 4 would be much "safer" than coming back too soon in game 3.

[Tracymcgoaty]

Kawhi was the best player on the floor tonight but had no help from anybody on his team. Draymond was by far the warriors best player tonight. The big story is Klay Thompson's injury and how hurt he is as he was playing great today. I wouldn't count out raptors yet as they been down in every series this year and still came back and won, it's only 1-1 and Klay couldn't even walk post game so I doubt he plays game 3.

How was Kawhi the best player on the floor? He shot 8/20 and looked like he missed every shot near the end when they needed a bucket. I would argue Cousins was fantastic this game almost getting a triple double and making some fantastic passes.

Kawhi was good though.

Bro, 8/20 for 34 points. As much as I love the Warriors, that's a hellova performance from Kawhi.

I dig Kawhi he's a great basketball player. but 34 points on 8/20 shooting isn't a helluva performance. He missed crucial shots down the stretch when they needed a bucket and had 5 TO's. He was good.

Not close to a great performance. Anyone who actually watched the game knows it.

[dhsilv2]

Haha seriously this. It's ridiculous the amount of attention he is drawing.

elementary analysts will never understand this and the impact it has on literally everyone else.

HBK is a hard Kawhi fan boy though so he's gonna ignore it.

Well I'm not hating on curry but in the Rockets series it was Draymond who was the MVP, in this series so far its Draymond who is the MVP. Am I wrong? Imagine Kawhi not being the MVP on this raptors team, they would get swept.

If someone played better than Leonard the raptors would be undefeated in the playoffs...

[everdiso]

Congrats GS fans. You discombobulated the raps, and the raps puked all over their wide open shots down the stretch as a result.

Huge huge win.

Raps are in tough now. But don t expect them to fold.

[Maroko]

[Catchall]

Curry was **** to mediocre in tonight’s game. Green, Klay and Iguodala made important shots after shots. They were the reasons along with the team defense why the Warriors won tonight .

You mean other than the fact that Curry consistently drew 2 defenders out 40 feet away from the basket, hit some big shots and played some decent defense on Lowry and VanVleet? How do you think guys like Iguodala and Quin Cook had completely open looks tonight?

[NCHeels2008]

All honesty dray, curry and Leonard all had similarly great games tonight. That said one issue for the raptors is that Leonard doesn't really have anyone he can defend in a way that his iso skills impact the game. It also seemed at least in the second half that the warriors decided that weren't overly scared of him unlike game 1.

Curry started 0-5 and didn't even end with good shooting percentages, 23 points on 17 shots average game for his standards.

Sure, but his screens, his off ball movement...you know all the reasons we never stop talking about how great curry is. He was KILLING it with all that. All that stuff the leads fans to drool over how great curry is and leads to people who don't understand basketball to quote box score metrics in the finals.

This was as classic a "GOAT" off ball level game as it comes from Curry.

Curry had the anti-LeBron game

[Useyourhead]

LOL Most stacked team ever wins with the help of the refs.

I think raps messed up quite a bit, letting them go on that 18-0 and missing wide open looks but other then that, if Lowry can stop being an idiot on some of those fouls and refs not trying to take over the game, raps should be fine.

It'll be tough in Oakland though, usually, guys just shoot better at home so lets see.

Y’all have to be some of the biggest cry babies I’ve seen in history.. especially since the refs did everything to keep Toronto in the game & they still couldn’t make “shots” when it counts smh.

Btw as of right now on paper the Raps are more stacked than this injured Warriors team & they’re still keeping up with the Raptors SMH.. that’s why I felt Milwaukee vs Warriors would’ve been a much better matchup.

Refs tried to have makeup calls in the second half for their disgraceful showing in the first half. Cousins finished with 5 fouls, he should have bene the one who fouled out instead of lowry as they missed the clear as day charge in the first half and lowry picked it up instead. Raps could have used lowry's three pt shooting in the second half.

The raptors were playing cautious all second half because they had a huge number of fouls by the end of the first. Also it should have been a 15 pt lead at the half. Refs are a disgrace, yea Mil vs GS might have been a better matchup, maybe the refs would have called a more fair game. Maybe...

[bootsythornton]

underrated part of tonight was how all those early fouls on the raptors affected rotations in the 2nd half. Scott Foster and Tony Brothers
working for Silver. 6-7 game series is a lock.

[bootsythornton]

LOL Most stacked team ever wins with the help of the refs.

I think raps messed up quite a bit, letting them go on that 18-0 and missing wide open looks but other then that, if Lowry can stop being an idiot on some of those fouls and refs not trying to take over the game, raps should be fine.

It'll be tough in Oakland though, usually, guys just shoot better at home so lets see.

Y’all have to be some of the biggest cry babies I’ve seen in history.. especially since the refs did everything to keep Toronto in the game & they still couldn’t make “shots” when it counts smh.

Btw as of right now on paper the Raps are more stacked than this injured Warriors team & they’re still keeping up with the Raptors SMH.. that’s why I felt Milwaukee vs Warriors would’ve been a much better matchup.

Refs tried to have makeup calls in the second half for their disgraceful showing in the first half. Cousins finished with 5 fouls, he should have bene the one who fouled out instead of lowry as they missed the clear as day charge in the first half and lowry picked it up instead. Raps could have used lowry's three pt shooting in the second half.

The raptors were playing cautious all second half because they had a huge number of fouls by the end of the first. Also it should have been a 15 pt lead at the half. Refs are a disgrace, yea Mil vs GS might have been a better matchup, maybe the refs would have called a more fair game. Maybe...

EXACTLY... this is spot on

[B-Ball Freak]

Clearly Curry had to take a dump in the second quarter lol

[Dupp]

I never said they did.

Counting those attempts are irrelevant when he's getting fouled while doing them.

I'm counting it as a possession used. That's not irrelevant.

You said he scored 34 points on 20 shots. No, on those 20 shots he scored 18 points. The other 16 points were scored on OTHER possessions/attempts to score that were on top of the 20 shots, which you're ignoring when you say it like that.

Wrong way to do it:
Kawhi scored 34 points on 20 shots
Klay scored 25 points on 17 shots

Misleading and makes Kawhi sound like he scored more efficiently than Klay.

What actually happened and right way to do it:
Kawhi scored 34 points on 28 possessions/scoring attempts
Klay scored 25 points on 18 possessions/scoring attempts

Klay scored more efficiently than Kawhi.

This is especially relevant when comparing impact on teams offensive efficiency